Yup - it does - White. Gotta love 'em. Jim J Marcella wrote: >Obtain the birth certificate, it has ethnicity usually > >James R. Smith wrote: > > >>Neil Gillespie was my niece's grandfather -- though she never met him. >>She's been asking about her ethnic heritage & I can't help. I only met >>him once and I couldn't even guess. His obit was no help and I can't >>find any living relatives (her father died as well). Neil was a native >>of San Francisco. I know - the names suggest Irish but Neil had dark >>eyes & olive skin - almost Mediterranean. >> >>Any suggestions? >>Thanks! >>Jim >> >>GILLESPIE, NEIL F . >>Born: 04/12/1929 >>Mother's Maiden Name: CASSIDY >>Sex: M >>Birth Place: CALIFORNIA >>Died: SAN FRANCISCO(38) >>Date of Death: 07/13/1995 >>SSN: 554-32-5054 >>Age: 66 yrs >> >> >> > > > > >----------------------------------------- >Visit: >NORCAL LIBRARY http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/norcallib.html >NORCAL Genealogy Resource Center http://www.sfgenealogy.com/norcal/resourcecenter/toc.htm >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORCAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- James R. Smith Author: San Francisco’s Lost Landmarks ISBN: 1884995446 www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/>

Neil Gillespie was my niece's grandfather -- though she never met him. She's been asking about her ethnic heritage & I can't help. I only met him once and I couldn't even guess. His obit was no help and I can't find any living relatives (her father died as well). Neil was a native of San Francisco. I know - the names suggest Irish but Neil had dark eyes & olive skin - almost Mediterranean. Any suggestions? Thanks! Jim GILLESPIE, NEIL F . Born: 04/12/1929 Mother's Maiden Name: CASSIDY Sex: M Birth Place: CALIFORNIA Died: SAN FRANCISCO(38) Date of Death: 07/13/1995 SSN: 554-32-5054 Age: 66 yrs -- James R. Smith San Francisco’s Lost Landmarks ISBN: 1884995446 www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/>

Does anyone know where to find the below info? "San Francisco ship passenger lists were formerly printed in the San Francisco Genealogical Bulletin (later San Francisco Historic Record and Genealogy Bulletin), 1963-1965. See nos. 7875-7891." ?Beth Out of the Attic .. www.Beth-website.net

My Great Uncle William "Bill" GALLAGHER was supposed to own a bar across the street from the Call Building during this time. Family stories from his daughter say that he had a safe that was used to help protect the seaman's' money for them and that he never allowed females into the establishment. Though this is only family rumor, it is said that he sold the bar when the city forced him to permit ladies into the bar. It was also a hangout for the reporters from the Call newspaper. Jim G in Oregon where people don't tan, they rust! **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Went to a market today and saw a customer gave the cashier a $100 bill. Within a flash I was back to SF in World War II signing off a merchant ship after five months at sea. Would you believe they paid us off with $100 bills? Who had checking accounts? Each seamen received 25 to 40 of the 100s and headed off to the Embarcadero where they were many bars to quench your dry months at sea and girls anxious to make your acquaintance, if only for a short time. Needless to say many of my shipmates were pretty well broke by the time they got to the Ferry Building. Fortunately for me I was living with my mother on Fillmore and committed to helping her make ends meet. Bill

How well do you know San Francisco? http://www.helloquizzy.com/tests/the-don%27t-call-it-frisco-test -Ron

Hi Linda, You can obtain those from the San Francisco Assessor-Recorder at City Hall. http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/sfranlib.htm#sfar Cheers, Jim Linda Hamid wrote: >I am helping a lady who is looking for info on her godson's parents. Where >can she obtain a copy of a marriage that took place in SF on 5/29/1952? > > > >Mercedes ALMEIDA > >Eulogio MARTINEZ > > > >Thanks in advance > > > >Linda Hamid > >Sweetwater Poultry > >email: <mailto:sweeth2o1@gmail.com> sweeth2o1@gmail.com > >web: <http://www.sweeth2o.us> www.sweeth2o.us > > > >************************** >Visit SFGenealogy.com! >http://www.sfgenealogy.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- James R. Smith Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks ISBN: 1884995446 www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/>

I am hoping someone on the list is researching the surname FLOOD.   I am looking for information on John Flood son of Bridget Flood..his father is unknown to me at this time. I have found a Bridget Flood 60 Ire. Wd in the 1910 SF census with a son John J. 30 CA single and he is listed as a fireman for the city fire dept. According to the census he would be born about 1880. I have looked at earlier census, but there's no definite matches with the 1910 census...there's always some descrepancy in information...so much so to make it a very questionable match...   I'm not sure how Bridget and her son John connect to my family, but I have a picture of her and John (he looks to be between 5 and 10 years old...which would date the photo about 1885-1890 or so.) Also, I have found a property transfer between Bridget Flood and my gg grandmother Jane Rodgers (nee Kelly).   Any information on this John or Bridget Flood would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much! Christine

I am helping a lady who is looking for info on her godson's parents. Where can she obtain a copy of a marriage that took place in SF on 5/29/1952? Mercedes ALMEIDA Eulogio MARTINEZ Thanks in advance Linda Hamid Sweetwater Poultry email: <mailto:sweeth2o1@gmail.com> sweeth2o1@gmail.com web: <http://www.sweeth2o.us> www.sweeth2o.us

Is there anyone who could up a obit for me.Wilhelmi Nueske died on 04/04/1972 in Santa Cruz. Thank you Gail

Thanks everyone for the good leads!!! I will check them out. Marcus

I will appreciate information on the business...especially and address if they are still in business. The firm handled the funeral of my mother-in-law Julia Read in August of 1966. I hope to contact the firm for any information. Thank you all the service you so graciously give. Pat Stratfull, West Sacramento

Bill- Do you know what years the ROBINSON Circus was in business & where they performed? I have been tyring to trace my ancestor, Major ROBINSON, who at age 21 in about 1870 left home to join a circus. His parents pleaded with him not to go but Major said that joining the circus was the only thing he could do. Major ROBINSON at maturity was just 31 inches tall & weighed 31 lbs. Family legend states that he was billed as "the smallest man in the world. I have not located Major on any census records but if he was travelling with a circus he may not have been enumerated. Thanks for any help. Pat Corona ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Roddy" <billroddy@cox.net> To: <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com>; <norcal@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:38 PM Subject: [CASANFRA] circuses: Robinson's, Sells Floto, Hagenbeck-Wallace > My father worked for Robinson's around 1900 and later Sells-Floto Circus > and > Hagenbeck-Wallace. Fifty years later he worked for Ringling. He was an > advance man and went ahead of the circus to get stories into the > newspapers. > His photo below at the Advertising car in New Orleans. > Bill > > http://americahurrah.com/Roddy/circus.htm > > ************************** > Visit SFGenealogy.com! > http://www.sfgenealogy.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Looked at the California Death Index at http://vitals.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ca/de ath/search.cgi This looks like her sister and gives mother's maiden name: DEBELLO ANTONETTE PAGANO 04/22/1902 SILVESTRI PAGANO F CALIFORNIA SANTA CLARA 12/29/1997 The closest I could come in Ancestry.com's Calif Birth Index were not quite and do not agree with maiden name of her mother (unless Saviani is mistranscription and 1907 the year), so I'd guess she was born 1904, which the database does not include: Maria F Pagano 26 Jul 1906 Female Tufa San Francisco Emma Pasena 2 Dec 1907 Female Saviani San Francisco Ellen M Peckham 16 Oct 1906 Female Mahlke San Francisco But if they were travelling, she could have been born somewhere else, as you well know, and the 1910 census may say where. If you can afford it, you might try to get a copy of her Soc Security Application along with the supporting documents. That would/could possibly include a copy of her birth certificate. Or, with the Chronicle available for 1904, someone could try to search for 1904 Pagano Births for you. Remember also family stories about where someone is born aren't always true. My grandmother and her siblings all thought they were born in SF. But my grandmother found out when they tried to find birth certificates as an elderly adult applying for a passport, she had been born in Canada! I don't think any of them were born in SF, not given what we see in the 1891 Canadian and 1900 SF censuses! On 8/20/08, mflansburg@comcast.net <mflansburg@comcast.net> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Here is a question you may not have heard before. Are there any sources out > their to find out about ancestors who may have been in the Circus? > > I received a letter from a cousin who remembers an aunt who "ran away and > joined the circus". Her name was Emily (Emma?) Pagano. Her parents were > Salvatore and Mariana (Annie) Pagano. She was born in San Francisco in > either 1904 or 1906, depending on the source. I have an obituary of her > brother, Joseph Frank Pagano (26 Dec 1895-12 Jun 1961) that has her with a > married name of Emily Minton. > > Has anyone ever tried to find ancestors who ran away and joined the Circus? > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Marcus Flansburg > Logan, Utah > **************************

Dante, Proquest and Heritage Quest are independent databases, not one and the same, but easy to get confused as the names of both end with "quest". Proquest, I believe, is newspapers (or mostly so), and Heritage Quest is other historical documents, including census records, Freedman's bank, PERSI, etc. With regards to the dropdown box, I believe the problem many of us are having is due to SFPL (and possibly other libraries as well) not updating their database listings to either have a general category of Historical Newspapers, or a specific entry on their Database page for the SF Chronical. Maybe they haven't had a chance to do that. Once that happens, there should be less confusion for all. Once you get to a search page at Proquest, after choosing some other Proquest Newspaper database, one of the options includes a dropdown box for Databases, and hidden in that are the historical SF Chronicle, where one would never expect to find it on a page only listing other databases as options in the text (as far as I could see), although the Chronicle is buried in that dropdown box! Again, you cannot get to that Search screen unless you have signed in with a valid SFPL card number after choosing a database from the main database page or doing something else on the site requiring signing in. On 8/20/08, Dante <nautili@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi Ron, > > I have access to Heritage Quest Online through my local library but I > couldn't find the articles you mentioned. I was hoping it would be > available since this is a ProQuest site. Do you know if there is a way to > gain access through Heritage Quest? I clicked on the ProQuest link (home > page) but couldn't find a Database drop down menu. I would love to browse > some of these issues. > > Thanks, > Jon (in Oregon)

Hello everyone, Here is a question you may not have heard before. Are there any sources out their to find out about ancestors who may have been in the Circus? I received a letter from a cousin who remembers an aunt who "ran away and joined the circus". Her name was Emily (Emma?) Pagano. Her parents were Salvatore and Mariana (Annie) Pagano. She was born in San Francisco in either 1904 or 1906, depending on the source. I have an obituary of her brother, Joseph Frank Pagano (26 Dec 1895-12 Jun 1961) that has her with a married name of Emily Minton. Has anyone ever tried to find ancestors who ran away and joined the Circus? Thanks in advance for your help. Marcus Flansburg Logan, Utah

Marcus, Have you tried the Circus Historical Society? I posted on their message board when I was trying to track down a couple of lady midgets who lived in our SF neighborhood in the 1930s, and a couple of people chimed in with leads and helped me ID a photo. http://www.circushistory.org/ Tom at Quasi-Modo was also very helpful: http://www.quasi-modo.net/ Vicky www.bernalhistoryproject.org

My father worked for Robinson's around 1900 and later Sells-Floto Circus and Hagenbeck-Wallace. Fifty years later he worked for Ringling. He was an advance man and went ahead of the circus to get stories into the newspapers. His photo below at the Advertising car in New Orleans. Bill http://americahurrah.com/Roddy/circus.htm

Hi, Marcus... I did a search for Circus-related information and wasn't able to find anything. However, I found some other information which may be helpful in finding someone who may have some information about her. I'm not certain what you may or may not know of her, however, here's what I was able to find: Social Security Death Index Name: Emily Minton Birth: 26 Oct 1905 Death: Jan 1977 - Stateline, Douglas, Nevada, United States of America Civil: Alabama Other: Stateline, Douglas, Nevada, United States of America It appears she may have had a son: California Birth Index, 1905-1995 Name: Robert Burgess Minton Birth Date: 5 Mar 1932 Gender: Male Mother's Maiden Name: Pagano Birth County: San Francisco She is documented in all available censuses from her birth, and since she was under the name Pagano in the 1930 census, she may have married between the time of the census and the birth of Robert (assuming this is her son). And, possibly in San Francisco, as she is living in San Francisco AND Robert was born there also. I am emailing censuses and other information regarding her (possible) son separately to you. Good luck on your search... Barb > From: mflansburg@comcast.net> To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:04:32 +0000> Subject: [CASANFRA] Circus Genealogy???> > Hello everyone,> > Here is a question you may not have heard before. Are there any sources out their to find out about ancestors who may have been in the Circus?> > I received a letter from a cousin who remembers an aunt who "ran away and joined the circus". Her name was Emily (Emma?) Pagano. Her parents were Salvatore and Mariana (Annie) Pagano. She was born in San Francisco in either 1904 or 1906, depending on the source. I have an obituary of her brother, Joseph Frank Pagano (26 Dec 1895-12 Jun 1961) that has her with a married name of Emily Minton.> > Has anyone ever tried to find ancestors who ran away and joined the Circus? Thanks in advance for your help.> > Marcus Flansburg> Logan, Utah> **************************> Visit SFGenealogy.com!> http://www.sfgenealogy.com> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008

My great great uncle owned and operated the Sherman Circus. Their home was in Pacheco in Contra Costa County although they traveled everywhere. I think one of the flyers I have has them in the San Francisco area. There is a circus museum in TX and I believe one more elsewhere. I will write my friend who helped me with my research and find out the contact information and I will get back to you with that. --- On Wed, 8/20/08, mflansburg@comcast.net <mflansburg@comcast.net> wrote: From: mflansburg@comcast.net <mflansburg@comcast.net> Subject: [CASANFRA] Circus Genealogy??? To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 4:04 PM Hello everyone, Here is a question you may not have heard before. Are there any sources out their to find out about ancestors who may have been in the Circus? I received a letter from a cousin who remembers an aunt who "ran away and joined the circus". Her name was Emily (Emma?) Pagano. Her parents were Salvatore and Mariana (Annie) Pagano. She was born in San Francisco in either 1904 or 1906, depending on the source. I have an obituary of her brother, Joseph Frank Pagano (26 Dec 1895-12 Jun 1961) that has her with a married name of Emily Minton. Has anyone ever tried to find ancestors who ran away and joined the Circus? Thanks in advance for your help. Marcus Flansburg Logan, Utah ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message