Thank you to those of you who responded to my question yesterday. It never seems to fail that just as soon as I begin wondering about something that I am expecting it comes the next day! I was concerned that maybe I had not sent it off properly, thanks again for confirming the email address for me. I did receive the obituary today. What a great service they are doing at the library. Having received this I have another couple questions. First, what papers do they actually have access to there at the library? Second, if an obituary is in more than one paper is it likely to have the same information in each paper. I know that there are always exceptions to any rule but a general rule of thumb could be helpful, especially since the family was not of the wealthy or socially elite. The obituary I received was from the SF Examiner, but I do know that it is also available in the Call. I found it in the online index for births, marriages and deaths found in the Call. I am new to research in San Francisco so would appreciate any help I can receive in this matter. Thanks, JanaLee

List Members: My g-grandfather, LENHART, James Madison b.1835 Pottsville, Schuykill, PA d. 1891, San Francisco, CA, Was a member of several local organizations as attested to in his obit, which follows: " The Morning Call," San Francisco, 9 October 1891 (verbatim) LENHART -- In this city, October 7, 1891, James Madison, dearly beloved husband of Nanno M. Lenhart, a native of Pottsville, Pa. aged 56 years, 2 months and 13 days (Pottsville (Pa.) papers please copy.) His friends and acquaintances and the members of Yosemite Lodge, No. 4, United Endowment Associates; also Yosemite Lodge, No. 1930, Knights of Honor; California Council , No. 250, American Legion of Honor, and Argonaut Council, No. 519, Royal Arcanum, are respectfully invited to attend the funeral TO-MORROW (Saturday), at 9 o'clock A.M. from his late residence, 1634 Howard street; thence to St. Joseph's Church, Tenth street, where a requiem mass will be celebrated for the repose of his soul, commencing at 9:30 o'clock A.M. Interment Mount Calvary Cemetery. GRAND LODGE OFFICERS, UNITED ENDOW-ment Associates. You are requested to attend the funeral of Associate Past Grand Commander, J.M. Lenhart from his late residence, 1634 Howard street, TO-MORROW (Saturday) at 9 o'clock A.M. by order of M. COONEY, Grand Commander YOSEMITE LODGE, No. 4, U.E.A. -- Members of this lodge are hereby notified to attend the funeral of our late Associate Past Grand Commander J.M. Lenhart, TO-MORROW (Saturday), at 9 o'clock A.M. from his late residence, 1634 Howard street. By order D. CURRY, Commander S.S. MILLER, Secretary" I am searching for any information regarding these various organizations. I am especially interested in any existing photographs of the gentleman. I will greatly appreciate any information returned. Thank you Bernard Barry Lenhart, Jr. ============================================================================ RootsWeb Sponsor Plus-Presently Researching The Following Surnames: LENHART, LENHARD, LANGE, ADAMS, WOODWARD, BOON(E), WHITLEY, BARRY. BERNARD <http://www.lenhartnexus.com>

Ok... Richard Fickert Johnson b 1950... your the "newest" descendant I have found. Your phone is not listed.. mailing you a letter... If anyone knows Richard.. please tell him his relatives in England are searching for him! Marge http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2 Iron County MO Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/home.htm Margie Campbell's Web Page ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie" <margecam@pacbell.net> To: <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 12:13 AM Subject: [CASANFRA] Descendants of John Wallace/ Ethel Wallace Fickert > Looking for descendant's of John Wallace, Surveyor & Stockton, CA Pioneer. > His granddaughter was Ethel Wallace Fickert.. Ethel died in 1947 in San > Francisco, buried in family plott in Stockton, CA... looking for her > daughter Ethel L. Fickert Johnson... or other family... your English > (England) cousins are looking for you. > Marge > http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2 > Iron County MO Web Page > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/home.htm > Margie Campbell's Web Page > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <CASANFRA-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <CASANFRA-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:00 AM > Subject: CASANFRA-D Digest V01 #203 > > ______________________________

Please Ruth excuse my stepping on your message. Give the people a break, the service is free. Steve Ruth, I sent an email to the San Francisco Library following your instructions on 9 Sep and have not yet received a reply. Should I be expecting the reply via email or in the mail? Maybe the event at the WTC has slowed things down abit. Thanks, JanaLee Petersen

Ruth, I sent an email to the San Francisco Library following your instructions on 9 Sep and have not yet received a reply. Should I be expecting the reply via email or in the mail? Maybe the event at the WTC has slowed things down abit. Thanks, JanaLee Petersen

Searching for more information on Donald BRUCE .In 1918 his address was 121/2nd Ave. San Francisco. Donald was the Editor of the" Political Record". Donald Bruce died aged 90 in May 1932 He married Rafaela Gamboa who died August 1910 aged 47. Their children as follows Margaret Bruce married GOETZ Marie Bruce " GERICH Rosebud Bruce " GOMEZ Daisy Bruce " FABER Arelina Bruce " AYER Robert O BRUCE Donald J BRUCE Any descendants out there? Judith Stichbury , New Zealand

Seeking grave site information on Tuxford family in California please in exchange for information from Australia gen Bob Tuxford Rtuxford@aol.com

Looking for descendant's of John Wallace, Surveyor & Stockton, CA Pioneer. His granddaughter was Ethel Wallace Fickert.. Ethel died in 1947 in San Francisco, buried in family plott in Stockton, CA... looking for her daughter Ethel L. Fickert Johnson... or other family... your English (England) cousins are looking for you. Marge http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2 Iron County MO Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/home.htm Margie Campbell's Web Page ----- Original Message ----- From: <CASANFRA-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <CASANFRA-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:00 AM Subject: CASANFRA-D Digest V01 #203

I have a bit of a queary that maybe someone can help me with. Trying to find a Vernon Dissiere living at Burlingame Cal (1932) m to Alice Yorke, but wonder if there is any other way of spelling this last name as I can't seam to find it anywhere. This is how it was spelt in his father-in-laws obituary. TIA Denise Conlon NZ

Hi Heather, Good news - you can order this obit yourself at no charge from the San Francisco main Library via E-mail!!! or Snail mail if you prefer (but why would you?).. Click here to got to SF Gen Web page http://www.sfo.com/~timandpamwolf/sfrancty.htm >From menu on the left, select: RESEARCH FACILITIES - Local Libraries, Archives, and Museums Scroll down to: SAN FRANCISCO LIBRARY Click on RESEARCH TIPS Scroll down to: Newspaper Obituaries/Death Notices Lookup at SF Main Library Works good and the service is very fast - within a week... Hope this helps, RUTH PS - Yes, I am watching the President of OUR GREAT NATION on TV!!!!!!! ______________________ Ruth (Grady) Skewis ruth4527@mindspring.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Heather [mailto:cole-nutmeg@home.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 5:49 PM > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CASANFRA] MacGregor Obituary > > > This is my first posting to this list and was wondering if some kind sould > could find an obituary for me : > > MACGREGOR JAMES NELSON > Born: 04/11/1910 > Mother's Maiden Name NELSON > Born : Should be Scotland > Died SAN FRANCISCO(38) > Date of Death: 04/26/1959 > SSN: 574-05-8412 > > Thank you very much > > Heather MacPherson > Prince George, BC, Canada > > > Never Forget 9/11/2001 >

This is my first posting to this list and was wondering if some kind sould could find an obituary for me : MACGREGOR JAMES NELSON Born: 04/11/1910 Mother's Maiden Name NELSON Born : Should be Scotland Died SAN FRANCISCO(38) Date of Death: 04/26/1959 SSN: 574-05-8412 Thank you very much Heather MacPherson Prince George, BC, Canada Never Forget 9/11/2001

When you have a name that is French in origin and probably has an American pronunciation, you must first work with the vowels. The preliminary steps would be: 1. Do you think it was pronounced dis-eer? If so, try Diseer, Disiere, Dissier, etc. It is unlikely that the "ie" was reversed. 2. Do you think they stretched it to sound like "desire"? If so, try spellings that would approximate this. 3. It is possible that the final "e" once had an accent. So, you must also try to work on the theory that it was pronounced des-eer-ray, and work out possible spellings. After this, work with doubled letters. The "ss" could have been reduced to one "s". In this case, a "z" is unlikely, as is a "c". The initial "D" could in fact be a "T". Su Buchignani

I also have a mystery Radcliffe I am trying to solve in CA, perhaps there is a connection. I have a James Radcliffe who died in 1894 in Angels Camp, he is buried with the Peters and Collins families at Santa Clara Mission Cemetery, Santa Clara, CA. I have no idea why he is with those families, though there is an early connections of Radcliffes with the Peter/Peters family of Virginia and Kentucky. I know that one of the Collins buried there, William, brother of my great grand mother Ellen Collins O"Sullivan, was a miner. Thus perhaps the Angels Camp connection, since that was an early mining town. Any help, suggestions, connections greatly appreciated. Martha Hamilton Scott __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/

Hello, fellow researchers, My name is Ron Hamilton and I live in Woodley, Cheshire, England. My research of the above man has led me to a town called Kempton and a cemetery called Clayton which are supposed to be near San Francisco. I have searched many maps on many sites. I have advertised on Calosong and nobody has been able to tell if this town actually exists. I am led to understand that this town was created mainly by immigrants from a place called Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire and Dukinfield, Cheshire, in the 1800s. The town was named after the Kemp family from Ashton and Dukinfield and the cemetery was named after a man called Clayton from Dukinfield. Could anyone please advise me if this town and/or cemetery exists or ever existed please. The man namd above is supposed to be buried there, with his wife Ann M. Radcliffe. He died in 1889. She died sometime before him. Thank you for taking time to read this e mail. Kindest Regards to all, Ron Hamilton.

Hi Ron, I hope I can help you as a pay-back for all the help I've gotten from your country! I checked my book HISTORIC SPOTS IN CALIFORNIA - 4th edition - 1990. The only thing I can find close to the name of Kempton is in PLACER COUNTY (page 259) There is reference to KEMPTON'S CROSSING which they describe as running from Sheridan to Marysville. If you have a current map of this area, Placer County (north east of San Francisco), you will see this is now State HWY 65. I see no mention of a cemetery but hope someone else on the list will be able to help with that. Now to CLAYTON! In the same book in CONTRA COSTA COUNTY (page 63) I found a town names CLAYTON mentioned in a section CONTRA COSTA'S MINING TOWNS. "A unique population found its way into the Mount Diablo coal district from the coal field of WALES and CORNWALL." <snipped> "In 1972 the East Bay Regional Park District acquired 2763 acres of land in the area, including the Black Diamond Mine, and created the Black Diamond Regional Preserve. In the springtime, the mine is opened to the public on a restricted basis. The preserve is a beautiful natural area to wander in. It can be reached from Antioch by way of Somerville Road. A short road connects the parking area with ROSE HILL CEMETERY, recently restored after decades of senseless vandalism. Five stately cypress tree guard the spot . Among the burial markers are those of WELSH miners with inscriptions in their native language. --->>>>>How nice if one of our Volunteers has access to that cemetery and could look for your Joseph and Ann Radcliffe... "CLAYTON, southeast of Concord, was an important center in coal-mining days. It had a more diversified economy than the mining towns and survived to become an incorporated town in 1964. Joel CLAYTON ran a dairy farm when he was not a part-time coal miner. We wanted to name the settlement after the Italian patriot Garibaldi, but the residents preferred the name of their neighbor. Clayton Main Street has some interesting old buildings, including the much remodeled Pioneer Saloon from the 1860's....." If you have a current map you will see this area in Contra Costa County [east of San Francisco] very near to Concord. Hope this helps, If you would like, I can get some maps to you via snail-mail.. RUTH ______________________ Ruth (Grady) Skewis ruth4527@mindspring.com > -----Original Message----- > From: HamRon4@aol.com [mailto:HamRon4@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 3:01 PM > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CASANFRA] Joseph Radcliffe > > > Hello, fellow researchers, > > My name is Ron Hamilton and I live in Woodley, Cheshire, England. > My research > of the above man has led me to a town called Kempton and a > cemetery called > Clayton which are supposed to be near San Francisco. I have searched many > maps on many sites. I have advertised on Calosong and nobody has > been able to > tell if this town actually exists. > > I am led to understand that this town was created mainly by > immigrants from a > place called Ashton-under-Lyne, Lancashire and Dukinfield, > Cheshire, in the > 1800s. The town was named after the Kemp family from Ashton and > Dukinfield > and the cemetery was named after a man called Clayton from Dukinfield. > > Could anyone please advise me if this town and/or cemetery exists or ever > existed please. The man namd above is supposed to be buried > there, with his > wife Ann M. Radcliffe. He died in 1889. She died sometime before him. > > Thank you for taking time to read this e mail. > > Kindest Regards to all, > Ron Hamilton. >

Hi all.. for Norcal, CADI & San Joaquin this is an update. Found several of the Wallace family I was seeking... need the following death index/ obit lookups as follows, if possible. (This is for a fellow in England, and I told him I may be able to get some info if he ran out of CA time.. and he did). Death cert Trans for Mary Frances Wallace. Died in San Francisco, CA on Thursday May 31, 1934. never married. Daughter of John & Mary E Webster Wallace. HAVE OBIT from Stockton.. is there a Bay area obit? Alfred Alexander Wallace b 21 Apr 1864, died Alameda county (Oakland?) 6 Oct 1941. Dr. Arthur Henry Wallace b 14 Apr 1868, died in Marin county CA 26 Sep 1947 (died in San Rafael). Wife was Lilly BOURS Wallace (died first? obit says husband of the Lilly Bours Wallace..Late?). Father was Dr Arthur Wallace of Stockton, CA. HAVE OBIT from Stockton, is there a Bay area obit? Mrs Charles Frickert (Ethel Wallace Frickert) b 1881, d 1947... need obit from San Francisco area. Looking for living relatives. Any help anyone can offer would be wonderful. James is looking for living relatives. Marge Campbell http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2 Iron County MO Web Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mcampbel/home.htm Margie Campbell's Web Page

I am a San Francisco musician and a native. When you inquire about musicians at the White House, Weinstock-Lubin, City of Paris or any of the early department stores, I can tell you that musicians have historically only been brought in for promotional events UNLESS they were steady performers at the restaurants in the department stores. It was common for a quartet or trio to play for luncheon and dinner at almost any decent restaurant in the city. Musicians would work the luncheon service, rest, play dinner service, rest, then do either a show or evening performance at a theatre or hall. Many would work seven days a week. Later, when radio was prominent, musicians would work the station live, getting away for work in restaurants, theatres, auditoriums, etc. There was a time when it was a way to make a pretty penny. My late friend, violinist Sam Stern, remembers making so much money as a young teenager around 1916, that he strode into a car dealership and bought a car for cash. What he failed to notice is that he had no idea how to drive it home!

Jana, I found this at the SF Call index: Sanchez, Annie....married in 1886 to Whittle, Robert......1886M-2677 you can go there by entering this http http://feefhs.org/fdb2/6991/6991-369.html go back to the Sf Call Index home page , it will tell you how to get a photocopy of the newspaper entry. San Francisco is difficult before the Quake and Fire of 1906, this newspaper may be the best and only lead, don't assume that all entries in the SF paper occured in the city, often they say " in this city" but, also some note outlaying towns. Steve >I have information that my husband's great grandfather Robert WHITTLE married >an Annie SANCHEZ in San Francisco in 1886. Where would I look to find a copy >of this record or some info about the marriage.

I could sure use some advise. I have found my 3 Grandparents on the Ellis Island website but I cannot locate the 4th. On my Grandfather's Alien Registration form from 1940 he had declared he arrived as a passenger in San Francisco, not New York. His name was Bernard Schwickerath. He said he arrived on September 17, 1888 in San Francisco. He was coming from Germany. Does anyone know where I could inquire about European passengers disembarking in San Francisco? This would be vital information for our family genealogy. Thank you, Barbara at andyandbabs@msn.com

Excuse - just checking to see if mail goes though - I'm getting no mail from RootsWeb Lists. Are you? RUTH ______________________ Ruth (Grady) Skewis ruth4527@mindspring.com