I'm searching for A, Charles Michel King. Born 1945-46 in San Fransisco. Mothers name Marie. He's A missing link in our family. Thanks for any help. Johnne

The SF National Cemetery is located inside the SF Presidio and is also known as the Presidio Cemetery. The entrance gate is located at Lincoln Blvd. near Sheridan Ave. The last person was buried there in 1936. This website will give you more information on the cemetery: http://www.zpub.com/sf50/sf/hcmpre.htm I also found out that the Presidio has walking tours of the cemetery. While this may not be of interest, there is a telephone number listed that may provide you with contact information for your research. (415) 561-4323. Good luck... Linda > Subject: RE: [CASANFRA] San Francisco National Cemetery??? > Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:14:47 -0800 > From: "Sandra Harris" <sandrah@ix.netcom.com> > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > > I don't know where the SF National Cemetery is. I will see if someone on the > SF Board might know. I am in Sacramento so I am not aware of the cemeteries > in SF. > > If someone knows where this is would you please let Adrienne know? Thanks. > Sandra > -----Original Message----- > From: ADRIENNE STEFANIK [mailto:HATTULA1902@msn.com] > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 7:18 PM > To: Sandrah@ix.netcom.com > Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] RE: Helplist/newspaper lookup-Call for Peleg THOMAS > > Where is San Francisco National Cemetery? -- Linda Emerson * Rootsweb List Administrator - Emerson/Emmerson surnames http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~emersonlist/ * Rootsweb List Administrator - Ferrigno & Senatore surnames * Coordinator - Union Township, Erie County, Pennsylvania http://www.rootsweb.com/~paerie/townships/Union.htm

The San Francisco National Cemetery is at the Presidio. Here is their web site with a list of all persons buried there. http://www.interment.net/data/us/ca/sanfran/sfnat/ America Hurrah Bill Roddy http://www.americahurrah.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miriam Ward" <mward_1947@yahoo.com> To: <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:54 PM Subject: RE: [CASANFRA] San Francisco National Cemetery??? > I think it alos has another name(besides the Presidio) > but can't think of it right now.It's near the Golden > Gate Bridge to the north of the Richmond > District(northern end of town). > > Miriam > > --- Sandra Harris <sandrah@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > I don't know where the SF National Cemetery is. I > > will see if someone on the > > SF Board might know. I am in Sacramento so I am not > > aware of the cemeteries > > in SF. > > > > If someone knows where this is would you please let > > Adrienne know? Thanks. > > Sandra > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ADRIENNE STEFANIK [mailto:HATTULA1902@msn.com] > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 7:18 PM > > To: Sandrah@ix.netcom.com > > Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] RE: Helplist/newspaper > > lookup-Call for Peleg THOMAS > > 1901? no result > > > > > > Excuse me, Sandra. > > > > Where is San Francisco National Cemetery? I am > > interested in look up for my > > great great grandfather Antone Silva who might had > > lived in SF for long > > time. Usually, Portugueses ancestors were buried in > > Catholic Cemetery. I > > am not positive if he was buried in Catholic > > Cemetery, but I believe he is. > > He died in between from 1906 to 1939 in SF. Please > > use various spellings > > for him if you could look up. Let me know. > > > > Thanks for a wonderful slight tips. > > > > Adrienne Stefanik > > Long Beach > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com >

Hi there, I am looking for a Mary Constance Wittig, born 01 September 1944 in San Francisco, California, USA If you know her or knows how to contact her please reply, Best regards Benoit Verheecke Antwerp, Belgium benoit.verheecke@pandora.be

I think it alos has another name(besides the Presidio) but can't think of it right now.It's near the Golden Gate Bridge to the north of the Richmond District(northern end of town). Miriam --- Sandra Harris <sandrah@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > I don't know where the SF National Cemetery is. I > will see if someone on the > SF Board might know. I am in Sacramento so I am not > aware of the cemeteries > in SF. > > If someone knows where this is would you please let > Adrienne know? Thanks. > Sandra > -----Original Message----- > From: ADRIENNE STEFANIK [mailto:HATTULA1902@msn.com] > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 7:18 PM > To: Sandrah@ix.netcom.com > Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] RE: Helplist/newspaper > lookup-Call for Peleg THOMAS > 1901? no result > > > Excuse me, Sandra. > > Where is San Francisco National Cemetery? I am > interested in look up for my > great great grandfather Antone Silva who might had > lived in SF for long > time. Usually, Portugueses ancestors were buried in > Catholic Cemetery. I > am not positive if he was buried in Catholic > Cemetery, but I believe he is. > He died in between from 1906 to 1939 in SF. Please > use various spellings > for him if you could look up. Let me know. > > Thanks for a wonderful slight tips. > > Adrienne Stefanik > Long Beach > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com

I don't know where the SF National Cemetery is. I will see if someone on the SF Board might know. I am in Sacramento so I am not aware of the cemeteries in SF. If someone knows where this is would you please let Adrienne know? Thanks. Sandra -----Original Message----- From: ADRIENNE STEFANIK [mailto:HATTULA1902@msn.com] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 7:18 PM To: Sandrah@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] RE: Helplist/newspaper lookup-Call for Peleg THOMAS 1901? no result Excuse me, Sandra. Where is San Francisco National Cemetery? I am interested in look up for my great great grandfather Antone Silva who might had lived in SF for long time. Usually, Portugueses ancestors were buried in Catholic Cemetery. I am not positive if he was buried in Catholic Cemetery, but I believe he is. He died in between from 1906 to 1939 in SF. Please use various spellings for him if you could look up. Let me know. Thanks for a wonderful slight tips. Adrienne Stefanik Long Beach

I didn't seem to find anything. Where did you get the listing? Did it give the page? Sandra -----Original Message----- From: Sallymozz@aol.com [mailto:Sallymozz@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:59 PM To: Sandrah@ix.netcom.com Subject: Helplist/newspaper lookup Dear Sandra, I was so happy to find your lookup listing--I hope you can help me. I am looking for a death notice or obit which was in the San Francisco Call. It was for Peleg Thomas, who died in San Francisco 12 December 1901 I saw a listing that this information should be in that paper. I think this is my gggrandfather, but the problem is that his wife, Margaret Ann Bales (Thomas) is listed as a widow (or divorcee?) in 1880 in Oregon. He was born abt. 1835 in New York, the son of Gorton Tallman Thomas and Minerva Cook, moved to Kansas about 1850, where he was married and had two children, George Herbert and Percy. I'm hoping that the article I saw listed about his death will clarify if this is who I am looking for, and will validate my information. Buried In the San Francisco National Cemetery, San Francisco, California. d. 12 December 1891, Captain D 11 Kansas Cavalry. PLOT: West 401 Film Number M542 roll 9 Another possibility is that this Peleg Thomas is the brother of George Henry Thomas, the famous Civil War General.--but if so, I can't figure out why he was in Kansas! If you can find this article I would be so grateful! Please let me know if you have any expenses which need to be reimbursed, and I will send a check off immediately. I would love to surprise my 85-year-old mother at Christmas with some new information. Sincerely, Sally Sally Mosgrove 5320 9th Avenue NE Seattle, Washington 98105 Sandra Harris     Sandrah@ix.netcom.com * California Room, California State Capitol, * California death records 1905-1994 * California newspapers * California marriage and property records (1960-1992) * California phone and city directories * Native Daughters of the Golden West Index * California County Histories California Pioneer Information File ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Adrienne, I think you're right in picking the date on the census.People are upset when filling out details on death certificates.I've seen in my own family where the parents names were wrong on a death cerificate.Sometimes, the answeree gives what they remember but it may not be correct. Miriam --- ADRIENNE STEFANIK <HATTULA1902@msn.com> wrote: > Hi everyone. > > I noticed two different deathdates for Mary Davis. > Census of 1900 shows that Mary was born in July, > 1869. Her death certificate shows that she was born > on June, 1866. Her sister Jennie Silva(my great > grandmother) was born on March, 1870/or 1871. I > feel that July, 1869 is more accurate. She was same > person athough because she was married with same man > Joseph Davis and children's names are match. What > do you think about deathdates? Both ladies were born > in SF. I have no idea where they were baptized. I > believe that they were baptized at Catholic Church > because they were Portuguese family. > > I am still working on search for their father Antone > Silva's death records and deathplace. > > I am looking forward to hear from you soon. > > Adrienne Stefanik Get more from the Web. FREE MSN > Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com

Hi everyone. I noticed two different deathdates for Mary Davis. Census of 1900 shows that Mary was born in July, 1869. Her death certificate shows that she was born on June, 1866. Her sister Jennie Silva(my great grandmother) was born on March, 1870/or 1871. I feel that July, 1869 is more accurate. She was same person athough because she was married with same man Joseph Davis and children's names are match. What do you think about deathdates? Both ladies were born in SF. I have no idea where they were baptized. I believe that they were baptized at Catholic Church because they were Portuguese family. I am still working on search for their father Antone Silva's death records and deathplace. I am looking forward to hear from you soon. Adrienne Stefanik Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

I want to thank all the great people who have given me such wonderful "gifts of information" in my search over these past months. I would never have been able to do it without your help. Again, Thank You. Edel

If do you remember the Christmas hillside in El Cettito, and the waving man in Berkeley. You might want to read this story from todays Berkeley Voice. To find out how they are, and what happened to the Christmas, display. <http://www.contracostatimes.com/community/voice/stories/e14snap_20011214.htm> George __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com

This fun scrap book is on ebay-----I have nothing to do with the sale of this item. Just passing this along- Carolyn ------------------------------------------------- This wonderful scrap book appears to be the English class project of a young lady called Caralyn Righetti . She was given the task of compiling an account of the Fair, and so the scrap book contains many newspaper cuttings of the built up before the 1939 International Exposition in San Francisco, California, which opened on 18th February, and closed on 2nd December, 1939. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1047253697

CA birth certificates have never displayed a SSN. As a matter of convenience a mother is offered an option while hospitalized of having the Dept of Health pass on the identifying information (displayed on a BC) to the Soc. Sec. Adm., which in turns issues a card to the mother on behalf of the newly born child. This option was offered beginning about 10 years ago when IRS required each dependent's SSN appear on the 1040 [FYI 8 million dependents disappeared after this requirement.] Banks require a person's SSN for all interest bearing accts to ensure that interest is correctly attached to the SSN of an account holder (otherwise 1099 information would be easily subverted). Non-interest bearing acct such as checking do not need a SSN. Those who fail to give a SSN (an incorrect or a SSN mismatching the surname contained within IRS data systems (updated periodically by SSA) are subject to a mandatory withholding of tax. Banks or any institution requiring (for other than income tax purposes) a SSN do it exclusively for their private internal purposes. Those who do not qualify for a SSN (somewhat ironically including terrorists on a tourist visa) can prove their disqualifiication and sign IRS form W-8 form when opening an interest bearing bank account to avoid tax withholding. There is absolutely no reason non-governmental entities cannot establish unique PIN type identifiers. Even SSA no longer issues centrally issued correspondence with more than the last 4 digits (to my knowledge this includes at least the every 3 year benefit estimates and annual COLA letters). Contact with any SSA office may find this policy includes other correspondence as well. Some states (thankfully not California) actually use a person's SSN as the driver's license number. I could rattle on more about this... but I won't.

Greetings! Two of my very bestest friends are unable to have children, and they have been through Many trials to arrive at this sad realization. HOWEVER! The possibility has arisen that they may be able to adopt twins, currently 4 months old. These people are the type that are going to be loving parents. Could you all please add these wonderful people to your thoughts and prayers this holiday season? Thank you so much. Blessings <> <Michael

This just a test to see if I am on this list, for my mail box was closed. I am getting multiple copies of the same message. George __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com

Hallo George, Thank you very much for the information. Helen Carlton Curtis, born 8 Jan. 1868, could have been married. I don't know that. Is it possible with the date of death of James Marvin Curtis to find the names of his parents? Person:CURTIS /James Marvin Date of Death: 1915-12-03 County: S.F. State File Number: 15-39402 He has maybe been born in Connecticut on 16-9-1832 as a son of Marvin Curtis. Met vriendelijke groeten, Erica (Dordrecht, NL) ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Rushton" <george_rushton@yahoo.com> To: "Erica" <GenBook@d-compu.dyndns.org>; <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] curtis - san francisco /Results > Erica > > Found the following information: > Could not find her date of death, in the San > Francisco Call, index 1894-1903. But did find a > article on her > marriage in the C.A.I.F. date of it was Nov 17, 1891, > in the Call of 1891-11-18 p 7 c 2. Also in the Wave > 1891-11-07 > > 5) Person looking for:CURTIS /Charlotte Agnes > Date of Death: 1928-08-11 County:San > Francisco > State File Number:28-42670 Spouse: J.M. > Age: 87 > 6) > Person looking for:CURTIS /James Marvin > Date of Death: 1915-12-03 County:S.F. > State File Number:15-39402 Spouse: > Date of Death: County: > State File Number: Spouse: Age:83 > > 7) Person looking for:CURTIS / Helen Carlton > Period looking for: > Date of Birth: 8 Jan. 1868 > Area in Calif: > Noting could she of married? > > George

What I don't understand is why the state doesn't provide the information thusly: (1) the regular birth certificate, to be issued ONLY to the individual in question (or to his/her parents or legal guardians); and (2) a transcript of the birth record for anyone else who asks. Also, banks should require more than just the mother's maiden name as an identification on bank accounts. How about a password (similar to what is required to use the ATM), a driver's license number or some other kind of random question, like "What was your 8th grade math teacher's name?" No system of identification is foolproof but there has got to be an easier way to remove the potential for fraud than to restrict access to public records and make it more difficult for genealogists to do their research. > First off, greetings! > > snip<Similarly, while Davis has now restricted access to the state's full > birth and death record databases, it is still legal in most cases for an > individual to get an official copy of anyone's birth certificate.>snip > > Being this is still the case, what is the point might I ask? I suppose it > means only those that have real interest in finding out about someone will > pursue these indexes (terrorist or not). > > Frankly, I was horrified when the California Birth Index was released > online. I actually emailed rootsweb.com and asked them to REMOVE certain > individuals in my family. They never even bothered to reply and now they > wonder what the chink in the armor was that has led to the destruction of > their superiorty complex with respect to geneaological records? > > Fortunately, my late father had two identities established shortly after > birth & he appears in the death index under the wrong name. No one could > steal his identity (nor my grandfather - he had THREE identities thanks to > the quake of 1906). > > I wonder how many other "old folks" may be or were in this situation? > Luckily when you are dead you are dead according to a law passed in 1988. > *sigh* > > So much for doing any sort of bonafide/genuine geneaological research given > all the civil liberties we are now surrendering on a daily basis. > > S. F. O'Donnell > > >From: George Rushton <george_rushton@yahoo.com> > >To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [CASANFRA] Article from the San Jose Mercury, on the issue of > >C.A.B.I. > >Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:34:43 -0800 (PST) > > > >You might want to read this article from Saturday's > >San Jose Mercury News, on the issue of privacy and the > >C.A.B.I. It is I think a well balanced story. > ><http://www0.mercurycenter.com/premium/front/docs/privacy08.htm> > > > >George > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > >http://greetings.yahoo.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > >

>If the bad people of this world want to steal your identity, they can find a >number of other ways to do it. Try going through your trash some day and >just look at the pieces of mail you toss that can give them just as much >information as other more valued sources. We're probably off-topic now, but this is why I rip up my mail before trashing it -- preferably in different trash bins. A shredder would be a good thing, really. :)

All banks require you to state your social security number and then they ask for your mother's maiden name. A California birth certificate prior to the 1980's would not provide a social security number. Sometime after 1968 (when my daughter was born), they began issuing social security numbers at birth (a lot of people complained about that then as being too "Big Brotherish." If the bad people of this world want to steal your identity, they can find a number of other ways to do it. Try going through your trash some day and just look at the pieces of mail you toss that can give them just as much information as other more valued sources. Sue Silver ----- Original Message ----- From: <merlaan@c-zone.net> To: <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Article from the San Jose Mercury, on the issue of C.A.B.I. > What I don't understand is why the state doesn't provide the information > thusly: (1) the regular birth certificate, to be issued ONLY to the individual > in question (or to his/her parents or legal guardians); and (2) a transcript of > the birth record for anyone else who asks. Also, banks should require more than > just the mother's maiden name as an identification on bank accounts. How about > a password (similar to what is required to use the ATM), a driver's license > number or some other kind of random question, like "What was your 8th grade > math teacher's name?" No system of identification is foolproof but there has > got to be an easier way to remove the potential for fraud than to restrict > access to public records and make it more difficult for genealogists to do > their research. > > > > First off, greetings! > > > > snip<Similarly, while Davis has now restricted access to the state's full > > birth and death record databases, it is still legal in most cases for an > > individual to get an official copy of anyone's birth certificate.>snip > > > > Being this is still the case, what is the point might I ask? I suppose it > > means only those that have real interest in finding out about someone will > > pursue these indexes (terrorist or not). > > > > Frankly, I was horrified when the California Birth Index was released > > online. I actually emailed rootsweb.com and asked them to REMOVE certain > > individuals in my family. They never even bothered to reply and now they > > wonder what the chink in the armor was that has led to the destruction of > > their superiorty complex with respect to geneaological records? > > > > Fortunately, my late father had two identities established shortly after > > birth & he appears in the death index under the wrong name. No one could > > steal his identity (nor my grandfather - he had THREE identities thanks to > > the quake of 1906). > > > > I wonder how many other "old folks" may be or were in this situation? > > Luckily when you are dead you are dead according to a law passed in 1988. > > *sigh* > > > > So much for doing any sort of bonafide/genuine geneaological research given > > all the civil liberties we are now surrendering on a daily basis. > > > > S. F. O'Donnell > > > > >From: George Rushton <george_rushton@yahoo.com> > > >To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: [CASANFRA] Article from the San Jose Mercury, on the issue of > > >C.A.B.I. > > >Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:34:43 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >You might want to read this article from Saturday's > > >San Jose Mercury News, on the issue of privacy and the > > >C.A.B.I. It is I think a well balanced story. > > ><http://www0.mercurycenter.com/premium/front/docs/privacy08.htm> > > > > > >George > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > > >http://greetings.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > >

First off, greetings! snip<Similarly, while Davis has now restricted access to the state's full birth and death record databases, it is still legal in most cases for an individual to get an official copy of anyone's birth certificate.>snip Being this is still the case, what is the point might I ask? I suppose it means only those that have real interest in finding out about someone will pursue these indexes (terrorist or not). Frankly, I was horrified when the California Birth Index was released online. I actually emailed rootsweb.com and asked them to REMOVE certain individuals in my family. They never even bothered to reply and now they wonder what the chink in the armor was that has led to the destruction of their superiorty complex with respect to geneaological records? Fortunately, my late father had two identities established shortly after birth & he appears in the death index under the wrong name. No one could steal his identity (nor my grandfather - he had THREE identities thanks to the quake of 1906). I wonder how many other "old folks" may be or were in this situation? Luckily when you are dead you are dead according to a law passed in 1988. *sigh* So much for doing any sort of bonafide/genuine geneaological research given all the civil liberties we are now surrendering on a daily basis. S. F. O'Donnell >From: George Rushton <george_rushton@yahoo.com> >To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CASANFRA] Article from the San Jose Mercury, on the issue of >C.A.B.I. >Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:34:43 -0800 (PST) > >You might want to read this article from Saturday's >San Jose Mercury News, on the issue of privacy and the >C.A.B.I. It is I think a well balanced story. ><http://www0.mercurycenter.com/premium/front/docs/privacy08.htm> > >George > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send your FREE holiday greetings online! >http://greetings.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com