Here is a update on Emperor Norton, and his grave also some information on the Clampers. <http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/01/13/MN135259.DTL> George __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/

It is the Pacific Mail Steamship Co., however they also had offices in Ney York and over thirty ships "first Class" that could sail around the world in 88 days. There is a history on the company now I wish I had xeroxed. A lot of freight from souyth america. Huge import and warehouse business.They used to be a public company on the stock exchange out of New York, but through government intervention, became "publically owned" and then went down the tubes. I will try and go back to the main library soon and get the information. I had relatives that worked there too. I know where to get the data, but I'm just starting school tomorrow and also am facing an eviction before the end of the month. They want to replace my place with a new monster home. Trying to fight the good fight.... but I will deliver. You know the old addage, "If you want something done, ask a busy man". I know where to find it in the City Directory on the fifth floor. I have to refer to my notes for! the volume. It's a good read, so stay tuned. Laurie Hasmpton / lauriefiveten@yahoo.com CASANFRA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 CASANFRA-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 14 Today's Topics: #1 RE: [CASANFRA] business name P.M. ["Ruth Skewis" #2 [CASANFRA] RE:BOUNCED MAIL! ["MARGARET M MILLAR" #3 Re: [CASANFRA] business name P.M. [Bill Roddy #4 [CASANFRA] RE:LEHANE/SWEENEY/McSWE ["MARGARET M MILLAR" Administrivia: To unsubscribe from CASANFRA-D, send a message to CASANFRA-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:28:41 -0800 From: "Ruth Skewis" To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CASANFRA] business name P.M. SS. Company Hi Cindy, Wild guess here from a romantic . Since the lists are quite tonight..... and............ Since Minna Street was not that far from the Ferry Building or the wharves on the Bay of San Francisco.... and 'cause I could not find anything surfing the web - looking for this address for this company. I'll stick out my neck and suggest that the name of the company at 218 Minna Street (think that would be 2nd and Minna Sts.) is - - - - - ready??? PACIFIC MAIL STEAMSHIP COMPANY. Hope someone else has an idea that has more fact than guess behind it than my "idea"... RUTH _________________________________ Ruth(Grady)Skewis-Sacramento, CA ruth4527@mindspring.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan & Cindy Frankenberry [mailto:cafdaf@cableone.net] > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:44 PM > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CASANFRA] business name > > > Hi guys, > > New to the list. I have a question about a location, a business, in San > Francisco that existed around 1889 and 1890. The location was 218 Minna > and the business name was P. M. SS. Company. > > Could you please tell me what the business was (the person who owned > it was a cooper, his name was Crawford Graham) and what the initials > stand for? I have looked at mapquest.com but the street numbers seem to > skip the 200 block of Minna. Be curious as to what is at that location > now. Looks like some kind of big park. There's a big space of green > grass and trees. > > Thank you very much for your time and information. > > Cindy > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:53:57 +1000 From: "MARGARET M MILLAR" To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CASANFRA] RE:BOUNCED MAIL! If you are reading this LAVONNE EMLER would you please contact me as all my mail to you this past week has been returned as "address inactive". I received the mail you sent - my sincere thanks - and please contact when possible. Peggy Townsville Australia ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 05:30:13 -0800 From: Bill Roddy To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] business name P.M. SS. Company The 1879 City Directory lists: Crawford Graham, cook for the Pacific Mail Steamship Co. His residence was 26 Bluxome St. Imagine he moved to Minna later. Charles Graham was the cooper for the PMSSco. No residence given for him. Bill Ruth Skewis wrote: > > Hi Cindy, > > Wild guess here from a romantic . > > Since the lists are quite tonight..... and............ > > Since Minna Street was not that far from the Ferry Building or the wharves > on the Bay of San Francisco.... and 'cause I could not find anything > surfing the web - looking for this address for this company. I'll stick out > my neck and suggest that the name of the company at 218 Minna Street (think > that would be 2nd and Minna Sts.) is - - - - - > > ready??? > > PACIFIC MAIL STEAMSHIP COMPANY. > > Hope someone else has an idea that has more fact than guess behind it than > my "idea"... > > RUTH > > _________________________________ > Ruth(Grady)Skewis-Sacramento, CA > ruth4527@mindspring.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alan & Cindy Frankenberry [mailto:cafdaf@cableone.net] > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:44 PM > > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [CASANFRA] business name > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > New to the list. I have a question about a location, a business, in San > > Francisco that existed around 1889 and 1890. The location was 218 Minna > > and the business name was P. M. SS. Company. > > > > Could you please tell me what the business was (the person who owned > > it was a cooper, his name was Crawford Graham) and what the initials > > stand for? I have looked at mapquest.com but the street numbers seem to > > skip the 200 block of Minna. Be curious as to what is at that location > > now. Looks like some kind of big park. There's a big space of green > > grass and trees. > > > > Thank you very much for your time and information. > > > > Cindy > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:02:59 +1000 From: "MARGARET M MILLAR" To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CASANFRA] RE:LEHANE/SWEENEY/McSWEENY I am looking for any connections between the names LEHANE - SWEEN[E]Y - McSWEENY originating from the Ballyvourney Co. Cork area. Have a MICHAEL LEHANE [20] and cousin EDMOND SWEENEY [22] from Ballyvourney arr. New York 1904. To join brother /cousin Cornelius Lehane living at 512 Howard St. SF. Is there anyone who could help with a Cenus lookup etc? Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Peggy Townsville Australia. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? 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Your timing is perfect. Just checked the City Directory yesterday. Have the data, some employees, wish now I xeroxed the full page advertisement. National company 2nd largest after the Cunard Lines. Had several office and warehouse locations and a pier. Will write back soon. Have to go get the data. Laurie Hampton (Smith Family of San Francisco) lauriefiveten@yahoo.com CASANFRA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 CASANFRA-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 13 Today's Topics: #1 [CASANFRA] New Website ["George & Heather Hunter" #2 [CASANFRA] business name [Alan & Cindy Frankenberry Administrivia: To unsubscribe from CASANFRA-D, send a message to CASANFRA-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:09:56 -0000 From: "George & Heather Hunter" To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CASANFRA] New Website http://www.mccaskie.org.uk My new website - just loaded up - still some glitches to be fixed - sending it to the list as there is a large tree of San Franciscans including Noble, Coey, Hubbard, Vail, Kraker, Treacy, McCaskie, Johnston, Reimer, Heriger, Cheseborough. I had a great deal of help from http://www.sfo.com/~timandpamwolf/sfrancty.htm with my search Heather Hunter in Scotland PS Also if you were so kind as to sign my dreambook, please consider entering your country - I have entries already from Scotland & Australia & USA but I did not put in a space for Country as yet and I will need to figure out how to do that. Heather ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:44:18 -0600 From: Alan & Cindy Frankenberry To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CASANFRA] business name Hi guys, New to the list. I have a question about a location, a business, in San Francisco that existed around 1889 and 1890. The location was 218 Minna and the business name was P. M. SS. Company. Could you please tell me what the business was (the person who owned it was a cooper, his name was Crawford Graham) and what the initials stand for? I have looked at mapquest.com but the street numbers seem to skip the 200 block of Minna. Be curious as to what is at that location now. Looks like some kind of big park. There's a big space of green grass and trees. Thank you very much for your time and information. Cindy --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail.

I've recently found that some of us are not really aware when a county was formed - if it was an original county (formed in 1850) or a split from a parent county - so - the date of that split and the name of the parent county. I thought posting this URL might be helpful. http://www.cagenweb.com/ Luck with your research. RUTH _________________________________ Ruth(Grady)Skewis-Sacramento, CA ruth4527@mindspring.com

I am looking for any connections between the names LEHANE - SWEEN[E]Y - McSWEENY originating from the Ballyvourney Co. Cork area. Have a MICHAEL LEHANE [20] and cousin EDMOND SWEENEY [22] from Ballyvourney arr. New York 1904. To join brother /cousin Cornelius Lehane living at 512 Howard St. SF. Is there anyone who could help with a Cenus lookup etc? Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Peggy Townsville Australia.

If you are reading this LAVONNE EMLER would you please contact me as all my mail to you this past week has been returned as "address inactive". I received the mail you sent - my sincere thanks - and please contact when possible. Peggy Townsville Australia

The 1879 City Directory lists: Crawford Graham, cook for the Pacific Mail Steamship Co. His residence was 26 Bluxome St. Imagine he moved to Minna later. Charles Graham was the cooper for the PMSSco. No residence given for him. Bill Ruth Skewis wrote: > > Hi Cindy, > > Wild guess here from a romantic <g>. > > Since the lists are quite tonight..... and............ > > Since Minna Street was not that far from the Ferry Building or the wharves > on the Bay of San Francisco.... and 'cause I could not find anything > surfing the web - looking for this address for this company. I'll stick out > my neck and suggest that the name of the company at 218 Minna Street (think > that would be 2nd and Minna Sts.) is - - - - - > > ready??? > > PACIFIC MAIL STEAMSHIP COMPANY. > > Hope someone else has an idea that has more fact than guess behind it than > my "idea"... > > RUTH > > _________________________________ > Ruth(Grady)Skewis-Sacramento, CA > ruth4527@mindspring.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alan & Cindy Frankenberry [mailto:cafdaf@cableone.net] > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:44 PM > > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [CASANFRA] business name > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > New to the list. I have a question about a location, a business, in San > > Francisco that existed around 1889 and 1890. The location was 218 Minna > > and the business name was P. M. SS. Company. > > > > Could you please tell me what the business was (the person who owned > > it was a cooper, his name was Crawford Graham) and what the initials > > stand for? I have looked at mapquest.com but the street numbers seem to > > skip the 200 block of Minna. Be curious as to what is at that location > > now. Looks like some kind of big park. There's a big space of green > > grass and trees. > > > > Thank you very much for your time and information. > > > > Cindy > >

Hi guys, New to the list. I have a question about a location, a business, in San Francisco that existed around 1889 and 1890. The location was 218 Minna and the business name was P. M. SS. Company. Could you please tell me what the business was (the person who owned it was a cooper, his name was Crawford Graham) and what the initials stand for? I have looked at mapquest.com but the street numbers seem to skip the 200 block of Minna. Be curious as to what is at that location now. Looks like some kind of big park. There's a big space of green grass and trees. Thank you very much for your time and information. Cindy

Hi Cindy, Wild guess here from a romantic <g>. Since the lists are quite tonight..... and............ Since Minna Street was not that far from the Ferry Building or the wharves on the Bay of San Francisco.... and 'cause I could not find anything surfing the web - looking for this address for this company. I'll stick out my neck and suggest that the name of the company at 218 Minna Street (think that would be 2nd and Minna Sts.) is - - - - - ready??? PACIFIC MAIL STEAMSHIP COMPANY. Hope someone else has an idea that has more fact than guess behind it than my "idea"... RUTH _________________________________ Ruth(Grady)Skewis-Sacramento, CA ruth4527@mindspring.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan & Cindy Frankenberry [mailto:cafdaf@cableone.net] > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:44 PM > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CASANFRA] business name > > > Hi guys, > > New to the list. I have a question about a location, a business, in San > Francisco that existed around 1889 and 1890. The location was 218 Minna > and the business name was P. M. SS. Company. > > Could you please tell me what the business was (the person who owned > it was a cooper, his name was Crawford Graham) and what the initials > stand for? I have looked at mapquest.com but the street numbers seem to > skip the 200 block of Minna. Be curious as to what is at that location > now. Looks like some kind of big park. There's a big space of green > grass and trees. > > Thank you very much for your time and information. > > Cindy >

http://www.mccaskie.org.uk My new website - just loaded up - still some glitches to be fixed - sending it to the list as there is a large tree of San Franciscans including Noble, Coey, Hubbard, Vail, Kraker, Treacy, McCaskie, Johnston, Reimer, Heriger, Cheseborough. I had a great deal of help from http://www.sfo.com/~timandpamwolf/sfrancty.htm with my search Heather Hunter in Scotland PS Also if you were so kind as to sign my dreambook, please consider entering your country - I have entries already from Scotland & Australia & USA but I did not put in a space for Country as yet and I will need to figure out how to do that. Heather

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This is an excellent resource website: San Francisco County, California Libraries, Museums & Archives ... Public Library, Main Branch Research ... San Francisco Newspaper Index 1904 ... Back to Library/Archives/Museums ... to USGenWeb San Francisco Genealogy ... http://www.sfo.com/~timandpamwolf/sfranlib.htm Miriam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/

Hi all, Marge Campbell here. I will be starting Delta College in Stockton next week, so will be going into Stockton daily. If you are willing to be patient, can try for death certificate lookups for you. Please let me know if you want an actual copy of the certified certificate.. the transcriptions are free (all hand written), but the certified copies have gone up from 10.00.. I think I paid 13.00 for the last one I got. I can also do obits, but again, allow me time (week or so), as I have to make the time to do this. And one other thing... Please keep these requests to YOUR or FREE (don't charge someone for the info I find) help you are providing to others. I volunteer my time at no charge, not fair to charge others for what I provide for free. NOTE: I do provide information to the SJGS, they may charge for the obits.. not sure what they charge, but I don't look often. (it's my donation to the society). Marge

Yes, the name is Molloy's and it's such a great place.My memory went faulty on me there. Miriam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/

In a message dated 1/10/2002 2:11:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, CASANFRA-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > I've forgotten the > DC parish name, but it's located in the "top of the hill" area just off > Mission St near John Daly Drive. The parish that you refer to is Our Lady of Perpetual Help, commonly referred to as OLPH.

In this last Tuesday,January 8th, San Francisco, they have article on the One Hundred and Twenty Second Anniversary of the death of Emperor Norton I. An mention that the Clampers will be going to his grave on Sun January 12, first meeting at Molloy's Tavern. George __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/

Someone awhile ago was asking about the "National Indian War Veterans" I found this in the 1914 San Francisco City Directory. Hope it will answers the question. National Indian War Veterans. Headquarters, Denver, Colorado. Object, Social, Patriotic and Protective. Active membership confined to ex-united States or State soldiers who served on out Western frontier in any campaign against hostile Indians between the years 1865 and 1891 and who have an honorable discharge from the united States Army or State or Territorial military company and participated in the Indian Campaigns in those years. Honorary membership is only conferred for distinguished service to the organization. Local Camp No. 4. Meets the first Sunday of each month at 1254 Market street, San Francisco. Officers are as follows: Secretary, John H. Dolan, 410 Harrison street. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/

Yes, some people actually LIVE in Colma! Linda Hamid -----Original Message----- From: Miriam Ward [mailto:mward_1947@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 6:37 PM To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] New Update Hi Adrienne, I just sent an email that ,thinking about it again,I don't think is quite correct.Colma may have been there but I still don't think Daly City was.You might want to check other towns such as Montara and possibly Pacifica although,once again, I don't know if they were formed at that time. Is there anything in Colma besides cemetaries,tombstone companies and a great saloon across from Holy Cross? Miriam --- ADRIENNE STEFANIK <HATTULA1902@msn.com> wrote: > Hello everyone. I learned something new from my > professional researcher. It is part information > about SF. My great great grandparents probably > lived in Daly City or Colma area. Did earthquake > and fire destroy records in Daly City and Colma > area? I am looking for baptism and marriage records > for my great grandmother Jennie Chavah Silva > Escobar. Jennie was married with Antonio F. Escobar > early 1890 in SF. Jennie was born on March, 1870 or > 1871 in SF. Her sister Maria/Mary Chavel Silva was > born on June, 1866 or July, 1869 in SF. Their > parents are Antone Silva and Amelia(?). > I learned more about Anglicized Portuguese > surnames(www.dholmes.com/names.html) in California. > I should have added some more for Silva. > Silver-Silva > Silvey-Silva > Silvia-Silva > Sylva-Silva > Sylvia-Silva > Silveria-Silva(somtimes) > > There is another new information below from my > professional researcher. I really do appreciate her > help lately. > http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/hattula1902/lst?.dir=/&.view=l&.begin=9999 > See Mamie and her grandparents in Mamie's folder > Great photos. Here is my observation about the > picture with Jennie and Mamie. > 1. Plants showing - lilac and calla lily, > suggest area that was very temperate, but not too > hot. > 2. Clothing suggests era around 1915-25. People > were not too poor. > 3. Mamie looks about 25 to me > The background could be anywhere in the San > Francisco Bay Area. In fact, it looks much like > some old photos of mine from the era, taken in > Colma. Many parts of San Francisco have no hills > and are quite temperate in weather. One major > neighborhood, the Mission District, was quite warm, > level, and had many Spanish and Portuguese-speaking > people, as it does to this day. > > Have you considered the following concerning Chavah > - that it could be an odd spelling of Chava? This > name has appeared in the Southwest and West for > several generations. I found Juan and Jose Chava in > Caliente, Nevada in 1910. Ricardo Chava Lopez was > born in 1922 and his mother's maiden name was Chava. > It's just a thought.Get more from the Web. FREE > MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ______________________________

Hi- Isn't it Molloys on Old Mission Road? The place is indeed wonderful- the walls covered with old time photos of Colma and San Francisco. Best of all BART has finished the phase of construction there, and the road is clear again :o)...BTW, the Molloy family still run the place. If you are around SF St Patricks weekend (especially after the parade) visit Molloys- they have Irish music (often live) and kids step dancing. Fun! Kirsten > Hi Adrienne, > I stand corrected by my 80 year old mother who was > also raised in San Francisco.Colma and daly City were > around at the turn of the century although they were > very small places.I should have remembered that the > actual bar at O'Malley's Bar in Colma was made about > the same time as its sister bar at the Little Shamrock > in S.F. that celebrated it's 100th anniversary in > 1990.If anyone wants to have a strange but good > time,visit O'Malley's -it had live old ragtime music > and you can dance and sing to the folks sleeping > across the way in Holy Cross. > I don't know why you can't find Antone on the census - > wish I could help you on that but don't know what to > say to help. > > Miriam

I replied directly, but I'll add 2cents here. Daly City was incorporated in 1911 -- my mom road in a stagecoach celebrating the 50th anniversary of the founding in 1961. It was not entirely sand dunes. Only the Westlake area was, altho high into San Bruno Mt can be found shells, etc. Indeed it was a farming area, being a refuge for at least my grandmth's family at her uncle's cabbage farm after the earthquake. Just over the southern border of Daly City in Colma is Holy Angels Parish on San Pedro Rd. Next door to the present church is the former church, converted into a hall. This structure appeared to be very old when I graduated from the parish school in 1962. There was no fire in either DC or Colma and parish records should exist. I've forgotten the DC parish name, but it's located in the "top of the hill" area just off Mission St near John Daly Drive. I might add that Daly City is now one of the ugliest places. It was not when I was a child, being liberally peppered with nurseries, sans being split in 2 by the 280 freeway. Everything done to the town seemed to be designed to destroy any charm it may have had. A roadhouse just before Mission St turns into the El Camino was summarly torn down. Not a single park was ever built, nurseries (then made of invidual glass panes) were vandalized out of existance. And lastly it inspired Malvina Reynolds to write the song "Little boxes". "Little boxes on a hillside, little boxes made of tickey tackey...and they all look just the same." A very sad legacy indeed. I would also add that anyone of Portuguese ancestry should probably check the Portuguese community center in South San Francisco. I have no idea if they have knowledge of local Portuguese history, etc., but it is modern, vibrant building at minimum.