Are there passenger records pre 1848, from San Francisco, to the east coast. For I have a dumb relative, who was in California pre 1848, and want back to the east coast, N.Y., N.J. before gold was found ;-(. Either in for the departure from S.F. or for the arrival in N.Y. Thank George __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
The State seems to be batting as well as the counties. You'd think we could at least expect some respect AFTER we've paid all our taxes and died.... Sue Silver ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie Campbell" <margecam@pacbell.net> To: <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:14 AM Subject: [CASANFRA] DCT/San Joaquin co/ Burton- results > lost the note this goes with: > > #3950-292 > Alfrec Burton > b 1878 in England black male, laborer > died April 23, 1924 at Stockton State Hospital. > No parents names.. informant was his hospital records. > died of Pulmonary TB > In Calif 10 years > at place of death 9 yrs, 0 mos, ww days > in America 16 years > The state cremated him (#690) on $/24/1924 > HC Fox was the doctor > No information on where buried, if buried, etc. Probably in the back > section of Rural cem where the unmarked, common graves are. > > > That's it... no other info.. State hospital kept lousy records... sorry > Marge > > >
lost the note this goes with: #3950-292 Alfrec Burton b 1878 in England black male, laborer died April 23, 1924 at Stockton State Hospital. No parents names.. informant was his hospital records. died of Pulmonary TB In Calif 10 years at place of death 9 yrs, 0 mos, ww days in America 16 years The state cremated him (#690) on $/24/1924 HC Fox was the doctor No information on where buried, if buried, etc. Probably in the back section of Rural cem where the unmarked, common graves are. That's it... no other info.. State hospital kept lousy records... sorry Marge
DEC 9, 2001 The index contains only some of the information on a birth certificate but includes the mother's maiden name, often required by banks and other institutions to access account information. After the hearing, Steffen said, Speier's office received more than 100 calls from people complaining that the birth index should not be available online, giving quick global access to their personal data. One genealogy site, RootsWeb .com, removed the information, as well as similar data from Texas, a week ago. But another company, Vitalsearch of Pleasanton, intends to keep the indices on its Web site. Steven J. Margaretic, Vitalsearch president, said most of the e-mails he has received are "begging us not to take it off and asking if we're going to fall prey to this wave of fear started by Sen. Speier." Margaretic said that though he sympathizes with people's worries, the data are a matter of public record. "We're not going to take it off unless we're forced to legally," he said. "S.F. O'Donnell" wrote: > The online death index for California (1940-1997) still works for the time > being. > > http://userdb.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi > > Better than nothing eh? > > S. F. O'Donnell > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
to Glenna in WA mailto:quisteng@earthlink.net I have copied your request and other material and will be mailing to you shortly. Highlights: Miss Florence ATHERTON was the daughter of Faxon D. and sister to Alexandra ATHERTON (Mrs. J.L. RATHBONE); Elena ATHERTON (Mrs. Frederick W. MACONDRAY); Francisco, George (spouse Gertrude HORN); Isabel ATHERTON (Mrs. Enrique EDWARDS, Chile) and Faxon D., Jr. (spouse Jeannie SELBY.) <ATHERTON FAXON DEAN 10/07/1885 SELBY ATHERTON M CALIFORNIA SAN FRANCISCO(38) 06/25/1947 567-22-1499 61 yrs > She married Edward L. EYRE in SF. He was the son of Col. Edward Engle EYRE and Mary (TUTT) EYRE. His parents crossed the plains to CA in 1849. Florence and Edward have two children: Edward E. and D. Atherton EYRE. <EYRE EDWARD LILBURN 03/23/1866 PERRY EYRE M NEVADA SAN MATEO 09/25/1951 85 yrs > <EYRE EDWARD E 08/15/1890 ATHERTON M CALIFORNIA SAN MATEO 04/02/1981 559-07-5021 90 yrs > Mary TUTT PERRY-EYRE died July 14 1900 in Paris. Obituary says she was the daughter of Calvin Luther PERRY of Charlottesville VA.
The online death index for California (1940-1997) still works for the time being. http://userdb.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi Better than nothing eh? S. F. O'Donnell _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
Figures ... I have no comments on this and frankly it does not surprise me. Sorry everyone - I should have tried it first. >From: Miriam Ward <mward_1947@yahoo.com> >To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CASANFRA] Re: 1905-present Calif. Birth Index >Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:33:51 -0800 (PST) > >I just tried that and it wouldn't give me >information.I think Gov. Davis stopped this >information from public access. > >Miriam >--- "S.F. O'Donnell" <dumtacet@hotmail.com> wrote: > > The California Birth index you are looking for is > > located here: > > > > http://userdb.rootsweb.com/ca/birth/search.cgi > > > > Regards, > > > > S. F. O'Donnell > > > > > > >From: Miriam Ward <mward_1947@yahoo.com> > > >To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] S.F.Bay area lookups > > >Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:13:02 -0800 (PST) > > > > > >I don't know,Adrienne - I couldn't find much of > > anyone > > >on either site so I haven't looked at it lately. > > > > > >Miriam > > > > > >--- ADRIENNE STEFANIK <HATTULA1902@msn.com> wrote: > > > > Hello Miriam and everyone. > > > > Is California Birth Index 1905 to present no > > longer > > > > on website? > > > > > > > > Adrienne > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Miriam Ward > > > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 1:51 AM > > > > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: [CASANFRA] S.F.Bay area lookups > > > > > > > > This is an excellent resource website: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > San Francisco County, California Libraries, > > Museums > > > > & > > > > Archives > > > > ... Public Library, Main Branch Research > > ... > > > > San Francisco Newspaper Index 1904 ... Back to > > > > Library/Archives/Museums ... to > > > > USGenWeb San Francisco Genealogy ... > > > > > > > > http://www.sfo.com/~timandpamwolf/sfranlib.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Miriam > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > > > > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/Get more from > > the > > > > Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > > >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > > http://mobile.msn.com > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
I just tried that and it wouldn't give me information.I think Gov. Davis stopped this information from public access. Miriam --- "S.F. O'Donnell" <dumtacet@hotmail.com> wrote: > The California Birth index you are looking for is > located here: > > http://userdb.rootsweb.com/ca/birth/search.cgi > > Regards, > > S. F. O'Donnell > > > >From: Miriam Ward <mward_1947@yahoo.com> > >To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] S.F.Bay area lookups > >Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:13:02 -0800 (PST) > > > >I don't know,Adrienne - I couldn't find much of > anyone > >on either site so I haven't looked at it lately. > > > >Miriam > > > >--- ADRIENNE STEFANIK <HATTULA1902@msn.com> wrote: > > > Hello Miriam and everyone. > > > Is California Birth Index 1905 to present no > longer > > > on website? > > > > > > Adrienne > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Miriam Ward > > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 1:51 AM > > > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [CASANFRA] S.F.Bay area lookups > > > > > > This is an excellent resource website: > > > > > > > > > > > > San Francisco County, California Libraries, > Museums > > > & > > > Archives > > > ... Public Library, Main Branch Research > ... > > > San Francisco Newspaper Index 1904 ... Back to > > > Library/Archives/Museums ... to > > > USGenWeb San Francisco Genealogy ... > > > > > > http://www.sfo.com/~timandpamwolf/sfranlib.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > Miriam > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > > > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/Get more from > the > > > Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
The California Birth index you are looking for is located here: http://userdb.rootsweb.com/ca/birth/search.cgi Regards, S. F. O'Donnell >From: Miriam Ward <mward_1947@yahoo.com> >To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] S.F.Bay area lookups >Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:13:02 -0800 (PST) > >I don't know,Adrienne - I couldn't find much of anyone >on either site so I haven't looked at it lately. > >Miriam > >--- ADRIENNE STEFANIK <HATTULA1902@msn.com> wrote: > > Hello Miriam and everyone. > > Is California Birth Index 1905 to present no longer > > on website? > > > > Adrienne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Miriam Ward > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 1:51 AM > > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [CASANFRA] S.F.Bay area lookups > > > > This is an excellent resource website: > > > > > > > > San Francisco County, California Libraries, Museums > > & > > Archives > > ... Public Library, Main Branch Research ... > > San Francisco Newspaper Index 1904 ... Back to > > Library/Archives/Museums ... to > > USGenWeb San Francisco Genealogy ... > > > > http://www.sfo.com/~timandpamwolf/sfranlib.htm > > > > > > > > Miriam > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/Get more from the > > Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
I don't know,Adrienne - I couldn't find much of anyone on either site so I haven't looked at it lately. Miriam --- ADRIENNE STEFANIK <HATTULA1902@msn.com> wrote: > Hello Miriam and everyone. > Is California Birth Index 1905 to present no longer > on website? > > Adrienne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Miriam Ward > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 1:51 AM > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CASANFRA] S.F.Bay area lookups > > This is an excellent resource website: > > > > San Francisco County, California Libraries, Museums > & > Archives > ... Public Library, Main Branch Research ... > San Francisco Newspaper Index 1904 ... Back to > Library/Archives/Museums ... to > USGenWeb San Francisco Genealogy ... > > http://www.sfo.com/~timandpamwolf/sfranlib.htm > > > > Miriam > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/Get more from the > Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > http://explorer.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
An excerpt from "Early American Steamship Lines" by Frank J. Taylor [president, American Merchant Marine Institute, New York], a paper presented at the November 1943 meeting of The Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers: In October 1848, the Pacific Mail Steamship Company sailed its first steamship, the "California", from New York to San Francisco via Cape Horna remarkable feat, for steam navigation was just coming into its own at that time. It was just prior to this tht gold was diecovered in California and the United States had acquired possession of California and the northwest boundry of the United States was settled with a treaty with Great Britain covering the State of Oregon. Travel to the Pacific Coast was possible only by wagon or by water by way of Cape Horn or the Isthmus of Panama. It was some years later that a railroad to the Pacific Coast was completed. The opening of these new lands offered many opportunities to new settlers but the great distance across the western plains and the Rocky Mountains presented many difficulties and haardships. In order to facilitate transportation between the east and the west, Congress authorized the Secrretary of the Navy to negotiate contracts for the carriage of mails from New York to Oregon via the Isthmus of Panama. A contract was placed with the Pacific Mail Steamship Company at $199,000 per year, and following the first sailing of the "California" in October 1848, the "Oregon" sailed from New York on December 8 of the same year, to be followed later by the "Panama." The first voyages of these ships brought to the Pacific Coast materials necessary for the repair of vessels. Coal for the ships also had to be transported from the Atlantic to the Pacific Coast for the operation of the vessels. The "Golden State" was built for the line in 1851, and in 1853 the "John L. Stephensd" was placed in the Panama Mail's service. Many vessels were sent around to the Pacific Coast from the Atlantic Coast to be operated there in conjunction with the ships operating from New York to Panama. The Pacific Mail Steamship Company prospered for a number of years. In 1867 the line commenced its Japan and China service with side wheel steamships. In 1873 it had constructed three new vessels with iron hulls that were named the "Colon," the "Acapulco," and the "Granada." These ships were 300 feet long, with a 40-foot beam. The following year, the line had the "City of Panama" and the "Guatemala," as well as the "City of Tokio" and the "City of Peking," the latter two for its China service. ---------------------------------- Just to confuse everyone ;-)) there was also "The Pacific Coast Steamship Company". There was a book written about this line titled "Ships and Narrow Gauge Rails, the Story of the Pacific Coast Company" by Gerald M. Best, Howell-North, Berkeley, 1964. >From the dust cover: "Here's the story of a fascinating rail-marine operation which blanketed the West Coast from Alaska to San DIego. It entails narrow gauge, standard gauge and steamships and was an important factor in the growth of the West." In 1865 " three San Franciscans, Charles GOODALL, his brother Edwin and Christopher NELSON bought the small steamer "Salinas" and several sailing vessels for trade along the west coast from Mexico to British Columbia. In 1867 they formed a company known as GOODALL, NELSON, & PERKINS, Agents, with U.S. Senator George C. PERKINS of California associated with the others in the business of coastwide trade. They soon became bitter rivals of Pacific Mail, and a feud between these two companies existed off and on for many years." In the beginning, Pacific Mail operated large ships while GN&P operated small ships. For a number of years they had vicious rate wars. In 1876, the GN&P won the rate war and reorganized as the Pacific Coast Steamship Company. In 1916 all the passenger ships of the PCSS were sold to the Pacific-Alaska Navigation Co., known as the "Admiral Line". After pruchasing the charter of two large steamers, the "Yale" and the "Harvard," the Admiral Line changed its name to Pacific Coast Steamship Co. "The depression of the 1930s took its toll of coastwise shipping, the Southern Pacific Railroad introduced fast, overnight freight service between San Francisco and Los Angeles, cutting deeply into the freight business of the liners, but the labor unions precipitated a series of disastrous strikes beginning in 1934, marking the end of coastwise passenger service by sea. The 1934 strikes were bad enough, but in the summer of 1936 a worse strike was brewing, and one by one, the ships were tied up in early September and their crews laid off for good. ----------------------------------- As a young man, my father frequently sailed on the PCSS from Moss Landing on Monterey Bay, either north to San Francisco or south to Los Angeles. I recently located a copy of an onboard newsletter that listed all the passengers on one ship that originated in Seattle and terminated in Los Angeles. It listed the passengers by port of embarkation and destination. Hope this helps, Anita C. Monterey County
These are very rare illustrations of SF 1906 by Dixon from the booklet Francisca Reina. I bought it thirty years ago. Bill http://americahurrah.com/MaynardDixon/cover.htm
John H. THIELER was treasurer from 1926-1929 Died Los Angeles Sep 5 1945 Sandra -----Original Message----- From: JohnnyBoy43@aol.com [mailto:JohnnyBoy43@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 7:50 AM To: Sandrah@ix.netcom.com Subject: Family information Do you have any information concerning a man named thieler (not sure of spelling). Before my granmother died she relayed a story that at one time a member of the family with this last name was a treasurer for the city of San Francisco. I am trying to verify this. Any help you could give would be appreciated. Thank you John Hurzel
>company on the stock exchange out of New York, but through government intervention, became "publically owned" >and then went down the tubes. I will try and go back to the main library soon and get the information. There's much more to the original company's demise than "government intervention." The Pacific Mail SS Co was bought out by Grace Lines in 1916. In 1925 Dollar Lines bought out Grace Line. In 1938 Dollar lines was worth $11 million, but had $17 million in liabilities and was losing $80,000 per month. The US took over the lines and renamed the outfit American President Lines. APL has a website and a very good history, warts and all at http://www.apl.com/html/apl_history.html Interestingly, to me at least, Dollar Lines was named after Capt Robert Dollar, and not the monetary unit. Pete
I can look tomorrow morning. Laurie Hampton, San Francisco (nee HAGGETT) CASANFRA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 CASANFRA-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 14 Today's Topics: #1 RE: [CASANFRA] business name P.M. ["Ruth Skewis" #2 [CASANFRA] RE:BOUNCED MAIL! ["MARGARET M MILLAR" #3 Re: [CASANFRA] business name P.M. [Bill Roddy #4 [CASANFRA] RE:LEHANE/SWEENEY/McSWE ["MARGARET M MILLAR" Administrivia: To unsubscribe from CASANFRA-D, send a message to CASANFRA-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:28:41 -0800 From: "Ruth Skewis" To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CASANFRA] business name P.M. SS. Company Hi Cindy, Wild guess here from a romantic . Since the lists are quite tonight..... and............ Since Minna Street was not that far from the Ferry Building or the wharves on the Bay of San Francisco.... and 'cause I could not find anything surfing the web - looking for this address for this company. I'll stick out my neck and suggest that the name of the company at 218 Minna Street (think that would be 2nd and Minna Sts.) is - - - - - ready??? PACIFIC MAIL STEAMSHIP COMPANY. Hope someone else has an idea that has more fact than guess behind it than my "idea"... RUTH _________________________________ Ruth(Grady)Skewis-Sacramento, CA ruth4527@mindspring.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan & Cindy Frankenberry [mailto:cafdaf@cableone.net] > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:44 PM > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CASANFRA] business name > > > Hi guys, > > New to the list. I have a question about a location, a business, in San > Francisco that existed around 1889 and 1890. The location was 218 Minna > and the business name was P. M. SS. Company. > > Could you please tell me what the business was (the person who owned > it was a cooper, his name was Crawford Graham) and what the initials > stand for? I have looked at mapquest.com but the street numbers seem to > skip the 200 block of Minna. Be curious as to what is at that location > now. Looks like some kind of big park. There's a big space of green > grass and trees. > > Thank you very much for your time and information. > > Cindy > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:53:57 +1000 From: "MARGARET M MILLAR" To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CASANFRA] RE:BOUNCED MAIL! If you are reading this LAVONNE EMLER would you please contact me as all my mail to you this past week has been returned as "address inactive". I received the mail you sent - my sincere thanks - and please contact when possible. Peggy Townsville Australia ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 05:30:13 -0800 From: Bill Roddy To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] business name P.M. SS. Company The 1879 City Directory lists: Crawford Graham, cook for the Pacific Mail Steamship Co. His residence was 26 Bluxome St. Imagine he moved to Minna later. Charles Graham was the cooper for the PMSSco. No residence given for him. Bill Ruth Skewis wrote: > > Hi Cindy, > > Wild guess here from a romantic . > > Since the lists are quite tonight..... and............ > > Since Minna Street was not that far from the Ferry Building or the wharves > on the Bay of San Francisco.... and 'cause I could not find anything > surfing the web - looking for this address for this company. I'll stick out > my neck and suggest that the name of the company at 218 Minna Street (think > that would be 2nd and Minna Sts.) is - - - - - > > ready??? > > PACIFIC MAIL STEAMSHIP COMPANY. > > Hope someone else has an idea that has more fact than guess behind it than > my "idea"... > > RUTH > > _________________________________ > Ruth(Grady)Skewis-Sacramento, CA > ruth4527@mindspring.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alan & Cindy Frankenberry [mailto:cafdaf@cableone.net] > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:44 PM > > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [CASANFRA] business name > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > New to the list. I have a question about a location, a business, in San > > Francisco that existed around 1889 and 1890. The location was 218 Minna > > and the business name was P. M. SS. Company. > > > > Could you please tell me what the business was (the person who owned > > it was a cooper, his name was Crawford Graham) and what the initials > > stand for? I have looked at mapquest.com but the street numbers seem to > > skip the 200 block of Minna. Be curious as to what is at that location > > now. Looks like some kind of big park. There's a big space of green > > grass and trees. > > > > Thank you very much for your time and information. > > > > Cindy > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:02:59 +1000 From: "MARGARET M MILLAR" To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CASANFRA] RE:LEHANE/SWEENEY/McSWEENY I am looking for any connections between the names LEHANE - SWEEN[E]Y - McSWEENY originating from the Ballyvourney Co. Cork area. Have a MICHAEL LEHANE [20] and cousin EDMOND SWEENEY [22] from Ballyvourney arr. New York 1904. To join brother /cousin Cornelius Lehane living at 512 Howard St. SF. Is there anyone who could help with a Cenus lookup etc? Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Peggy Townsville Australia. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? 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I Am seeking any information that I can find about the Delsol Winery. As far as I know it was suppose to be in operation in or around San Francisco, in the late 1800's and early 1900's. I am also seeking information on Elmer George Quine, Or Adolph Delsol. Elmer Quine either operated or worked for a refrigeration company during the depression years. Any one that might have any information on either or both of these topics, I would appreciate hearing from you. You can reach me at Trogg97051@yahoo.com, or post to this site. Thank you in advance Richard Del Sol Trogg97051 --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail.
Cindy Try this site, the adrress, I used was 170 Minnia, 218 Minnia, is now part of the Yerba Buena Park. <http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?countrycode=250&country=US&address=170+Minna+Street+&city=SAN+FRANISCO&state=CA&zipcode=&addtohistory=++&submit.x=53&submit.y=14> George > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alan & Cindy Frankenberry > [mailto:cafdaf@cableone.net] > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:44 PM > > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [CASANFRA] business name > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > New to the list. I have a question about a > location, a business, in San > > Francisco that existed around 1889 and 1890. The > location was 218 Minna > > and the business name was P. M. SS. Company. > > > > Could you please tell me what the business was > (the person who owned > > it was a cooper, his name was Crawford Graham) and > what the initials > > stand for? I have looked at mapquest.com but the > street numbers seem to > > skip the 200 block of Minna. Be curious as to > what is at that location > > now. Looks like some kind of big park. There's a > big space of green > > grass and trees. > > > > Thank you very much for your time and information. > > > > Cindy > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Here's a little more on THE PACIFIC MAIL STEAMSHIP COMPANY "The Pacific Mail Steamship Company was absorbed by the Dollar lines in 1925 and later became the American President Lines, leaders in transpacific shipping and claiming the title of oldest continuously operated steamship company in the United States." This was found at this site http://www.raken.com/american_wealth/shipping_merchants/howland_aspinwall4.a sp which is a write up on William H. Aspinwall. Interesting?? RUTH _________________________________ Ruth(Grady)Skewis-Sacramento, CA ruth4527@mindspring.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Laurie Hampton [mailto:lauriefiveten@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:20 PM > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CASANFRA] Re: CASANFRA-D Digest V02 #14/ PMSS CO > > > > It is the Pacific Mail Steamship Co., however they also had > offices in Ney York and over thirty ships "first Class" that > could sail around the world in 88 days. There is a history on > the company now I wish I had xeroxed. A lot of freight from > souyth america. Huge import and warehouse business.They used to > be a public company on the stock exchange out of New York, but > through government intervention, became "publically owned" and > then went down the tubes. I will try and go back to the main > library soon and get the information. I had relatives that > worked there too. I know where to get the data, but I'm just > starting school tomorrow and also am facing an eviction before > the end of the month. They want to replace my place with a new > monster home. Trying to fight the good fight.... but I will > deliver. You know the old addage, "If you want something done, > ask a busy man". I know where to find it in the City Directory > on the fifth floor. I have to refer to my notes for! > the volume. It's a good read, so stay tuned. > Laurie Hasmpton / lauriefiveten@yahoo.com > CASANFRA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 > message/rfc822 > CASANFRA-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 14 > > Today's Topics: > #1 RE: [CASANFRA] business name P.M. ["Ruth Skewis" #2 [CASANFRA] > RE:BOUNCED MAIL! ["MARGARET M MILLAR" > #3 Re: [CASANFRA] business name P.M. [Bill Roddy #4 [CASANFRA] > RE:LEHANE/SWEENEY/McSWE ["MARGARET M MILLAR" > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from CASANFRA-D, send a message to > > CASANFRA-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:28:41 -0800 > From: "Ruth Skewis" > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [CASANFRA] business name P.M. SS. Company > > Hi Cindy, > > Wild guess here from a romantic . > > Since the lists are quite tonight..... and............ > > Since Minna Street was not that far from the Ferry Building or the wharves > on the Bay of San Francisco.... and 'cause I could not find anything > surfing the web - looking for this address for this company. I'll > stick out > my neck and suggest that the name of the company at 218 Minna > Street (think > that would be 2nd and Minna Sts.) is - - - - - > > ready??? > > PACIFIC MAIL STEAMSHIP COMPANY. > > Hope someone else has an idea that has more fact than guess behind it than > my "idea"... > > RUTH > > _________________________________ > Ruth(Grady)Skewis-Sacramento, CA > ruth4527@mindspring.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alan & Cindy Frankenberry [mailto:cafdaf@cableone.net] > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:44 PM > > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [CASANFRA] business name > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > New to the list. I have a question about a location, a business, in San > > Francisco that existed around 1889 and 1890. The location was 218 Minna > > and the business name was P. M. SS. Company. > > > > Could you please tell me what the business was (the person who owned > > it was a cooper, his name was Crawford Graham) and what the initials > > stand for? I have looked at mapquest.com but the street numbers seem to > > skip the 200 block of Minna. Be curious as to what is at that location > > now. Looks like some kind of big park. There's a big space of green > > grass and trees. > > > > Thank you very much for your time and information. > > > > Cindy > > > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:53:57 +1000 > From: "MARGARET M MILLAR" > > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CASANFRA] RE:BOUNCED MAIL! > > If you are reading this LAVONNE EMLER would you please contact me > as all my > mail to you this past week has been returned as "address inactive". I > received the mail you sent - my sincere thanks - and please contact when > possible. > > Peggy > Townsville Australia > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 05:30:13 -0800 > From: Bill Roddy > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] business name P.M. SS. Company > > The 1879 City Directory lists: > Crawford Graham, cook for the Pacific Mail Steamship Co. > His residence was 26 Bluxome St. Imagine he moved to Minna later. > Charles Graham was the cooper for the PMSSco. No residence given for > him. > Bill > > > Ruth Skewis wrote: > > > > Hi Cindy, > > > > Wild guess here from a romantic . > > > > Since the lists are quite tonight..... and............ > > > > Since Minna Street was not that far from the Ferry Building or > the wharves > > on the Bay of San Francisco.... and 'cause I could not find anything > > surfing the web - looking for this address for this company. > I'll stick out > > my neck and suggest that the name of the company at 218 Minna > Street (think > > that would be 2nd and Minna Sts.) is - - - - - > > > > ready??? > > > > PACIFIC MAIL STEAMSHIP COMPANY. > > > > Hope someone else has an idea that has more fact than guess > behind it than > > my "idea"... > > > > RUTH > > > > _________________________________ > > Ruth(Grady)Skewis-Sacramento, CA > > ruth4527@mindspring.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Alan & Cindy Frankenberry [mailto:cafdaf@cableone.net] > > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:44 PM > > > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [CASANFRA] business name > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > New to the list. I have a question about a location, a > business, in San > > > Francisco that existed around 1889 and 1890. The location was > 218 Minna > > > and the business name was P. M. SS. Company. > > > > > > Could you please tell me what the business was (the person who owned > > > it was a cooper, his name was Crawford Graham) and what the initials > > > stand for? I have looked at mapquest.com but the street > numbers seem to > > > skip the 200 block of Minna. Be curious as to what is at that location > > > now. Looks like some kind of big park. There's a big space of green > > > grass and trees. > > > > > > Thank you very much for your time and information. > > > > > > Cindy > > > > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:02:59 +1000 > From: "MARGARET M MILLAR" > > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CASANFRA] RE:LEHANE/SWEENEY/McSWEENY > > I am looking for any connections between the names LEHANE - SWEEN[E]Y - > McSWEENY originating from the Ballyvourney Co. Cork area. > > Have a MICHAEL LEHANE [20] and cousin EDMOND SWEENEY [22] from > Ballyvourney > arr. New York 1904. To join brother /cousin Cornelius Lehane living at 512 > Howard St. SF. > > Is there anyone who could help with a Cenus lookup etc? Any help or > suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Peggy > Townsville Australia. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. >
I doubt a cooper owned the company, one share of stock was not affordable. It was a high end company like the dot commers were in 2000. Coopers made barrels and casks, hardly alliving wage to own stock. It was a big national company with an international business, thousands of employees. Any more info and I have to refer back to the books at the Main Library. Laurie CASANFRA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 CASANFRA-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 14 Today's Topics: #1 RE: [CASANFRA] business name P.M. ["Ruth Skewis" #2 [CASANFRA] RE:BOUNCED MAIL! ["MARGARET M MILLAR" #3 Re: [CASANFRA] business name P.M. [Bill Roddy #4 [CASANFRA] RE:LEHANE/SWEENEY/McSWE ["MARGARET M MILLAR" Administrivia: To unsubscribe from CASANFRA-D, send a message to CASANFRA-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:28:41 -0800 From: "Ruth Skewis" To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CASANFRA] business name P.M. SS. Company Hi Cindy, Wild guess here from a romantic . Since the lists are quite tonight..... and............ Since Minna Street was not that far from the Ferry Building or the wharves on the Bay of San Francisco.... and 'cause I could not find anything surfing the web - looking for this address for this company. I'll stick out my neck and suggest that the name of the company at 218 Minna Street (think that would be 2nd and Minna Sts.) is - - - - - ready??? PACIFIC MAIL STEAMSHIP COMPANY. Hope someone else has an idea that has more fact than guess behind it than my "idea"... RUTH _________________________________ Ruth(Grady)Skewis-Sacramento, CA ruth4527@mindspring.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan & Cindy Frankenberry [mailto:cafdaf@cableone.net] > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:44 PM > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CASANFRA] business name > > > Hi guys, > > New to the list. I have a question about a location, a business, in San > Francisco that existed around 1889 and 1890. The location was 218 Minna > and the business name was P. M. SS. Company. > > Could you please tell me what the business was (the person who owned > it was a cooper, his name was Crawford Graham) and what the initials > stand for? I have looked at mapquest.com but the street numbers seem to > skip the 200 block of Minna. Be curious as to what is at that location > now. Looks like some kind of big park. There's a big space of green > grass and trees. > > Thank you very much for your time and information. > > Cindy > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:53:57 +1000 From: "MARGARET M MILLAR" To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CASANFRA] RE:BOUNCED MAIL! If you are reading this LAVONNE EMLER would you please contact me as all my mail to you this past week has been returned as "address inactive". I received the mail you sent - my sincere thanks - and please contact when possible. Peggy Townsville Australia ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 05:30:13 -0800 From: Bill Roddy To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] business name P.M. SS. Company The 1879 City Directory lists: Crawford Graham, cook for the Pacific Mail Steamship Co. His residence was 26 Bluxome St. Imagine he moved to Minna later. Charles Graham was the cooper for the PMSSco. No residence given for him. Bill Ruth Skewis wrote: > > Hi Cindy, > > Wild guess here from a romantic . > > Since the lists are quite tonight..... and............ > > Since Minna Street was not that far from the Ferry Building or the wharves > on the Bay of San Francisco.... and 'cause I could not find anything > surfing the web - looking for this address for this company. I'll stick out > my neck and suggest that the name of the company at 218 Minna Street (think > that would be 2nd and Minna Sts.) is - - - - - > > ready??? > > PACIFIC MAIL STEAMSHIP COMPANY. > > Hope someone else has an idea that has more fact than guess behind it than > my "idea"... > > RUTH > > _________________________________ > Ruth(Grady)Skewis-Sacramento, CA > ruth4527@mindspring.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alan & Cindy Frankenberry [mailto:cafdaf@cableone.net] > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:44 PM > > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [CASANFRA] business name > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > New to the list. I have a question about a location, a business, in San > > Francisco that existed around 1889 and 1890. The location was 218 Minna > > and the business name was P. M. SS. Company. > > > > Could you please tell me what the business was (the person who owned > > it was a cooper, his name was Crawford Graham) and what the initials > > stand for? I have looked at mapquest.com but the street numbers seem to > > skip the 200 block of Minna. Be curious as to what is at that location > > now. Looks like some kind of big park. There's a big space of green > > grass and trees. > > > > Thank you very much for your time and information. > > > > Cindy > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:02:59 +1000 From: "MARGARET M MILLAR" To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CASANFRA] RE:LEHANE/SWEENEY/McSWEENY I am looking for any connections between the names LEHANE - SWEEN[E]Y - McSWEENY originating from the Ballyvourney Co. Cork area. Have a MICHAEL LEHANE [20] and cousin EDMOND SWEENEY [22] from Ballyvourney arr. New York 1904. To join brother /cousin Cornelius Lehane living at 512 Howard St. SF. Is there anyone who could help with a Cenus lookup etc? Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Peggy Townsville Australia. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail.
from lauriefiveten@yahoo.com: PMSS Co San Francisco City Directory 1875, page 798: Pacific Mail Steamship Co (principal [sic] office Ney York) Jennings S Cox, agent, office cor[ner] Sacramento and Leisderdorf,wharf cor 1st and Brannan under business listings and details of City life "PMSS oldest after Cunard" "thirty first class" liners, around the world in 88 days(lesiurely pace). I Have to go back to the books to find the rest. It's a great read. Almost like ENRON today, full of financial intrique and City history. . . . . . Any requests? Additional note, 200 block doesn't corellate to 2nd street. Because of constant land fills and commercial development, I think the numbers are 4 or 5 blocks off. You know you can never assume anything with San Francisco. Laurie P.S. Looking for info on"Smith Brothers" 29th and Mission; Mission Lumber 1305 Valencia; F R Smith and Co [grocer] Persia Avenue, illegally torn down on the 1980s/70s.; California Dairy, Excelsior Homestead; "William H Smith"; Franklin R Smith"; Grant Smith [ may not be the Attorney];"Walter W. Smith. Thanks in advance. 2002 20:28:41 -0800 From: "Ruth Skewis" To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CASANFRA] business name P.M. SS. Company Hi Cindy, Wild guess here from a romantic . Since the lists are quite tonight..... and............ Since Minna Street was not that far from the Ferry Building or the wharves on the Bay of San Francisco.... and 'cause I could not find anything surfing the web - looking for this address for this company. I'll stick out my neck and suggest that the name of the company at 218 Minna Street (think that would be 2nd and Minna Sts.) is - - - - - ready??? PACIFIC MAIL STEAMSHIP COMPANY. Hope someone else has an idea that has more fact than guess behind it than my "idea"... RUTH _________________________________ Ruth(Grady)Skewis-Sacramento, CA ruth4527@mindspring.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan & Cindy Frankenberry [mailto:cafdaf@cableone.net] > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:44 PM > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CASANFRA] business name > > > Hi guys, > > New to the list. I have a question about a location, a business, in San > Francisco that existed around 1889 and 1890. The location was 218 Minna > and the business name was P. M. SS. Company. > > Could you please tell me what the business was (the person who owned > it was a cooper, his name was Crawford Graham) and what the initials > stand for? I have looked at mapquest.com but the street numbers seem to > skip the 200 block of Minna. Be curious as to what is at that location > now. Looks like some kind of big park. There's a big space of green > grass and trees. > > Thank you very much for your time and information. > > Cindy > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:53:57 +1000 From: "MARGARET M MILLAR" To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CASANFRA] RE:BOUNCED MAIL! If you are reading this LAVONNE EMLER would you please contact me as all my mail to you this past week has been returned as "address inactive". I received the mail you sent - my sincere thanks - and please contact when possible. Peggy Townsville Australia ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 05:30:13 -0800 From: Bill Roddy To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] business name P.M. SS. Company The 1879 City Directory lists: Crawford Graham, cook for the Pacific Mail Steamship Co. His residence was 26 Bluxome St. Imagine he moved to Minna later. Charles Graham was the cooper for the PMSSco. No residence given for him. Bill Ruth Skewis wrote: > > Hi Cindy, > > Wild guess here from a romantic . > > Since the lists are quite tonight..... and............ > > Since Minna Street was not that far from the Ferry Building or the wharves > on the Bay of San Francisco.... and 'cause I could not find anything > surfing the web - looking for this address for this company. I'll stick out > my neck and suggest that the name of the company at 218 Minna Street (think > that would be 2nd and Minna Sts.) is - - - - - > > ready??? > > PACIFIC MAIL STEAMSHIP COMPANY. > > Hope someone else has an idea that has more fact than guess behind it than > my "idea"... > > RUTH > > _________________________________ > Ruth(Grady)Skewis-Sacramento, CA > ruth4527@mindspring.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alan & Cindy Frankenberry [mailto:cafdaf@cableone.net] > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:44 PM > > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [CASANFRA] business name > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > New to the list. I have a question about a location, a business, in San > > Francisco that existed around 1889 and 1890. The location was 218 Minna > > and the business name was P. M. SS. Company. > > > > Could you please tell me what the business was (the person who owned > > it was a cooper, his name was Crawford Graham) and what the initials > > stand for? I have looked at mapquest.com but the street numbers seem to > > skip the 200 block of Minna. Be curious as to what is at that location > > now. Looks like some kind of big park. There's a big space of green > > grass and trees. > > > > Thank you very much for your time and information. > > > > Cindy > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:02:59 +1000 From: "MARGARET M MILLAR" To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CASANFRA] RE:LEHANE/SWEENEY/McSWEENY I am looking for any connections between the names LEHANE - SWEEN[E]Y - McSWEENY originating from the Ballyvourney Co. Cork area. Have a MICHAEL LEHANE [20] and cousin EDMOND SWEENEY [22] from Ballyvourney arr. New York 1904. To join brother /cousin Cornelius Lehane living at 512 Howard St. SF. Is there anyone who could help with a Cenus lookup etc? Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Peggy Townsville Australia. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail.