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    1. Re: [CASANFRA] J.W. Baker/ Results one year there.
    2. George Rushton
    3. Lisa You are looking at the time period of 1900, for before that from 1895 he was at 18 Third St, then from 1896-1899 he was at 1144 Market, and from 1901-1905 he was at 11 Stockton. After the earthquake, he opened a Adversing Co., in Oakland, where he had been living all the time. George --- Brian Larimore <jazzdans@pacbell.net> wrote: > Is anyone familiar with a photography studio or > photographer named J.W. Baker? The address would be > 1028 Market St. (San Francisco). I found this > written on the bottom (front side) of a photo (circa > 1900-1920). > Lisa > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com

    02/04/2002 08:16:24
    1. Re: [CASANFRA] Civil War Diary
    2. George Rushton
    3. Chris I can think of three places that might be willing to do that or help, find a place that would do the job. 1) Bancroft Library on the Berkeley Campus of U.C.,<http://bancroft.berkeley.edu/info/index.html> you might want to check with either of these people BLISS, Tony Curator, Rare Books and Literary Manuscripts The Bancroft Library (510) 642-1839 <abliss@library.berkeley.edu> or BROWN, William <wbrown@library.berkeley.edu > Head, Public Services The Bancroft Library (510) 642-8173. 2)The Oakland Museum of California <http://www.museumca.org/> 1000 Oak Street, Oakland, California 94607 510-238-3842,510-238-6579 Fax email: history@museumca.org Carey Caldwell, Chief Curator <ccaldwell@museumca.org> 3)California Historical Society 678 Mission Street San Francisco, California 94105,415-357-1848 �voice ,415-357-1850-fax <http://www.californiahistoricalsociety.org/> CHS Collections: Pamela Young Lee,Chief Curator <curator@calhist.org> Good luck George --- Tim and Chris Whalen <tcwhalen@cros.net> wrote: > Dear Listers, > > I have a rather unusual problem and I am hoping > someone on the list who > actually lives in the area can help me. > > I've recently been in contact with a woman who owns > the Civil War Diary of > my great great grandfather, Samuel Kerr. She is > unwilling to sell it, and > unwilling to copy it by conventional methods because > of the diary's > fragility, which I can understand. > > I and many other family members are anxious to see > the diaries contents, and > the lady is willing to transcribe it, but I have > suggested the use of a so > called 'open face' copier - where the copying > mechanism is lower to the face > of the book, and have also had a suggestion to > microfilm the diary. > > The problem is I need to know where in the area > might have such a copier or > a firm which copies or microfilms rare and fragile > documents. > > Any help in this matter would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thank you, > > Chris Whalen > Ohio > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com

    02/04/2002 07:53:51
    1. [CASANFRA] Civil War Diary
    2. Tim and Chris Whalen
    3. Dear Listers, I have a rather unusual problem and I am hoping someone on the list who actually lives in the area can help me. I've recently been in contact with a woman who owns the Civil War Diary of my great great grandfather, Samuel Kerr. She is unwilling to sell it, and unwilling to copy it by conventional methods because of the diary's fragility, which I can understand. I and many other family members are anxious to see the diaries contents, and the lady is willing to transcribe it, but I have suggested the use of a so called 'open face' copier - where the copying mechanism is lower to the face of the book, and have also had a suggestion to microfilm the diary. The problem is I need to know where in the area might have such a copier or a firm which copies or microfilms rare and fragile documents. Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Chris Whalen Ohio

    02/04/2002 07:40:46
    1. [CASANFRA] It is so wonderful idea!
    2. ADRIENNE STEFANIK
    3. >Hi all; >Time for the weekly update on how the project is progressing. This is a weekly progress report. For those of you that have not heard of the project, we are currently putting the pre-1905 death records for all counties in California online for FREE access. If you would like more information, feel free to contact me. > >Now for the progress of the project: > >The last pages of Los Angeles County are being distributed for transcription on Monday and Tuesday. That means that all 6 books consisting of over 40,000 deaths is in the process of being transcribed. There are over 40 transcriptionists currently working on just this county, but what a feather in our cap when we finally get it all done. We know how little is available for this county due to it's size and the quality (or lack of) the records. As each book is completed, it will be placed on line. > >Steve and Laura have started setting up the web page although it is not online yet. They are working on the front page and will be listing all donors and volunteers to honor them and show our appreciation for all they are doing. There will also be an index which will tie into the individual counties as well as information regarding the year of formation of the county and from which other county it was formed. If it is an original county or a defunct county, it will state that as well. > >Riverside County has now been completely transcribed. We are going over the last changes and the prep for the web page. This is just a matter of day. > >San Diego County is almost done with transcription and will be on the website in short order. > >San Bernardino County Book one only has two more batches to be completed and then preped for the website. Book two ony has four more batches to be completed. > >Los Angeles County has the first three batches completed and several more to go so it will be a while before it gets online. > > >Steven Miller has been working on the Mariposa county records for some time and expects to finish his 1850-1940 records by Easter. He is willing to donate the pre-1905 portion to our cause. Thank you Steven. > >Sharon Dulcich is in the process of attempting to take digital pics of Kern County records to be transcribed. These are the ones which will be distributed on disks to the transcribers to transcribe. She is working with and getting much cooperation from the recorders office in that county. I am sure that this will take a little time, but it is in the works. Thank you Sharon for your good works. > >Elvina Fernandez, while working on a San Diego batch, is also accumulating transcribers from the Tulare County genealogical society to handle the copies that I am acquiring for Tulare County. We will be donating our pages to their genealogical society when they are completed with this project. Thank you Elvina for setting that up. > >George Rushton is working on the death records for the City of Oakland. Thank you George for working on this and we hope to see this online in the future. > >Carol Stewart has gotten access to Butte county and is currently transcribing those records. This county is "her baby" until she screams for help. > >Cathy Gowdy from the Marin County Gen. Soc. is checking on whether or not the recorder's office in Marin County will allow the copying of their indexes. We are waiting to hear from her. > >Our #2, Laura Melton is currently working on Siskiyou County records. Seems there are about 658 records of deaths 1905 and before and they will only allow her access to 10 of these per week. This will be a long process to get them online, but she is persistent and will do her 10 per week until she gets them all completed and online for the project. > >Beverly Stone is working on accessing records for Sacramento and El Dorado Counties for transcription. We should be hearing from her regarding her progress in that area soon. > >Jacqui Marcela is working on acquiring the records for Placer County and we appreciate her efforts in this area. > >We have ordered the records for Humboldt, Nevada, Marin, Amador, Colusa and Tulare Counties and should be receiving them fairly soon. > >We will be soon ordering records for the following counties since we have discovered that they will be made available to us as well. The ordering is pending an improvement in our financial situation. Those counties are: >Calaveras County 1858-1905 >Del Norte County 1873-1903 >Glenn County 1891-1895 >Madera County 1892-1903 >Madera County 1902-1905 >Lake County 1867-1905 >Lassen County 1874-1905 >Mendocino County 1861-1905 >Monterey County 1887-1905 > >We are currently still drastically in need of financial help on the project. Anything that you can help with would be GREATLY appreciated. This is our current holdup on getting the files for the eight counties that we have approval for. Please help in this area if you can by sending either funds to me at the address below or postage (we go through that like candy too). We are only using the funds for copies and postage, but county records are expensive to acquire, even though we are working special deals where appropriate and available. > >Transcriptionists are always welcome with a project this large. We have some transcriptionists that have completed batches and are getting more due to the importance of this project. YOU MUST HAVE EXCEL, MS WORKS OR MS OFFICE TO WORK ON THIS PROJECT. We currently have about 60+ transcribers on this project which means we will be able to get this info online much faster. The more the merrier I say. > >Now for the list that we like to see get smaller. We are currently pending info on availability of records in the following counties. If you can help with this, please feel free to contact us. > >Alameda Alpine Amador >Contra Costa Fresno Inyo >Kings Merced Modoc >Napa Orange Plumas >San Benito San Francisco San Joaquin >San Luis Obispo San Mateo Santa Barbara >Santa Clara Santa Cruz Shasta >Sierra Solano Sonoma >Stanislaus Sutter Tehama >Trinity Tuolumne Ventura >Yolo Yuba > >We will not be doing Imperial county as it did not become a county until 1907 and no records are available before that date. That area was included in San Diego County before 1907. > >Thank you >Donna Bradley >Project Coordinator >P. O. Box 391368 >Anza, CA 92539-1368Get more from the Web. 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    02/04/2002 06:44:58
    1. [CASANFRA] British Columbia Records source
    2. carolynjnash
    3. Some time ago, British Columbia put their birth, marriage and death index online, from the start of their records (about 1870s), subject to a privacy-driven lapse of time (100 years for births, 20 for deaths). It's an invaluable resource if you have ancestors who were in BC. Ancestry.com also has this data base online, but as a subscription data base (somehow, that doesn't seem right). Anyway, the BC archives (free index) is at: http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/index.htm Carol Nash

    02/03/2002 10:06:55
    1. [CASANFRA] sharon
    2. janet sandberg
    3. Hi sharon, I have deleted files, please try again, Thanks, Janet _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

    02/03/2002 09:46:13
    1. [CASANFRA] Re: CASANFRA-D Digest V02 #27
    2. janet sandberg
    3. I have recently ordered death certificates online, 1-18-02, they stated it would take 15-20 work days to send them, have not received them yet. Will let you know when I receive them! I have heard that they are very much backlogged, so may even take longer! Janet >From: CASANFRA-D-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CASANFRA-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: CASANFRA-D Digest V02 #27 >Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:01:25 -0700 > ><< message2.txt >> ><< message4.txt >> ><< message6.txt >> _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

    02/03/2002 07:53:25
    1. [CASANFRA] getting a book published, check out this meeting at U.C.
    2. George Rushton
    3. >From another e-mail list, that I am on. The Department of History invites you to a roundtable discussion. Getting Published: Views from the Editorial Desk with Michael Grossberg & Sheila Levine Michael Grossberg (Professor of History & Law, Indiana University, and Editor, American Historical Review) is the author of the prize-winning Governing the Hearth: Law and the Family in Nineteenth-Century America as well as numerous other books and articles on legal and social history. He has also published several articles on scholarly editing, is a founder of the recently created History Cooperative, an electronic publishing project devoted to historical scholarship, and is currently serving a term as president of the Conference of Historical Journals. Sheila Levine (Assistant Director/Editorial and Production, University of California Press) has worked for UC Press for 30 years. She is responsible for acquisitions, editing, design, and production, and is also an acquiring editor for Asian studies and European history. Her latest venture is a series of books on food and culture. Please join us at 2 p.m. on Friday, February 8th, in 3335 Dwinelle Hall. Refreshments will be provided. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com

    02/03/2002 01:26:08
    1. Re: [CASANFRA] Re: CASANFRA-D Digest V02 #27
    2. George Rushton
    3. Janet It has only been nine working days. ;-) George --- janet sandberg <janet_sandberg@hotmail.com> wrote: > I have recently ordered death certificates online, > 1-18-02, they stated it > would take 15-20 work days to send them, have not > received them yet. Will > let you know when I receive them! I have heard that > they are very much > backlogged, so may even take longer! Janet > > > >From: CASANFRA-D-request@rootsweb.com > >Reply-To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CASANFRA-D@rootsweb.com > >Subject: CASANFRA-D Digest V02 #27 > >Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:01:25 -0700 > > > ><< message2.txt >> > ><< message4.txt >> > ><< message6.txt >> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN > Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com

    02/03/2002 12:18:23
    1. [CASANFRA] SAN FRANCISCO OBITS QUESTION
    2. Hi there is still a question, does the San Francisco library do online obits for people outside of Ca? I don't think so. Anyone know for sure? Colleen

    02/03/2002 11:15:08
    1. [CASANFRA] SAN FRANCISCO OBITS
    2. Muriel
    3. _____________________________________________________ SF obits The San Francisco Public Library is no longer processing obituary lookups for patrons residing outside of California. The California State Library in Sacramento will loan newspaper microfilm to another library. They will not loan microfilm to individuals directly. Patrons must request the microfilmthrough their local library's Interlibrary Loan program, The California State Library will not perform obituary searches; however, they will send patrons a list of private researchers who will perform on-demand searches for a fee. (916-654-0176) California State Library PO Box 942837 914 Capitol Mall Sacramento, CA 95814 *********California Residents only***** E-mail Address(es): mailto:newref@sfpl.org Notes: Obits can be ordered by E-mail from the San Francisco Public Library - there is a limit of 3 obits per request - but there is no charge and you will receive them within about a week. Include the name of the deceased and the date of death. Don't forget to include your name and address so they can mail you the results. Go to this site and you will see the information on this: http://www.sfo.com/~timandpamwolf/sfrantip.htm#sfmainobit ____________________________________ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

    02/03/2002 11:05:27
    1. Re: [CASANFRA] Dr. John Bray
    2. George Rushton
    3. Michelle From the 1935 S.F. City Directory, John J. Bray, lived at 271 Vicente, wife (Kath), his dentist office was at 870 Market, Room 1068. George --- Mkc89@aol.com wrote: > Any suggestions, I'm trying to find information on > my Ggrandfather's brother. John J. Bray is listed > in his mother's obit (27 Apr 1935 San Francisco) as > Dr. John Bray. I'd like to know what kind of doctor > he was. John Bray was born 6 Oct 1891 in San > Francisco to Henry Thomas Bray and Mary E. Barrett. > John was the youngest of Henry's 12 children. > > Thanks for any help or suggestions. > Michelle > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com

    02/03/2002 10:47:46
    1. Re: [CASANFRA] Delsol Winery /Results
    2. George Rushton
    3. Richard I found information on all three, for Adolph for only a couple of years in the early 1900s, the winery was in Glen Ellen, Sonoma County, CA., it was owned by two brothers. Elmer George Quine, he did work as a Refrigerator installer or engineer, was married to a Margaret. Let me get my information that I have, in order and I will e-mail it to you. George --- Richard DelSol <trogg97051@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I Am seeking any information that I can find about > the Delsol Winery. As far as I know it was suppose > to be in operation in or around San Francisco, in > the late 1800's and early 1900's. > > I am also seeking information on Elmer George Quine, > Or Adolph Delsol. Elmer Quine either operated or > worked for a refrigeration company during the > depression years. > > Any one that might have any information on either or > both of these topics, I would appreciate hearing > from you. You can reach me at Trogg97051@yahoo.com, > or post to this site. > > Thank you in advance > > Richard Del Sol > > Trogg97051 > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com

    02/03/2002 10:45:36
    1. [CASANFRA] Ordering Vitals Online
    2. Hi there - I have ordered several birth and death certificates for San Francisco Co online and, with the exception of one death certificate (they didn't search the year I gave them), it has worked wonderfully. You usually get your requested item in less than 2 weeks. I would advise you to print your copy of your request so that if they mess up, you have proof of what you requested. Jenn Thomas, Antioch, CA jnfrjo1@aol.com

    02/03/2002 09:57:57
    1. [CASANFRA] Voting district
    2. Geri
    3. I meant to ask for the 1910 Census District for San Francisco, Address 107 Park South. Sorry about the goof up. Geri Opsal gao@rea-alp.com

    02/03/2002 08:47:52
    1. [CASANFRA] 1920 Federal Census Voting District in San Francisco
    2. Geri
    3. Could anyone tell me what the ED or voting district in San Francisco, California would be for the address 107 South Park? Thank you. Geri Opsal gao@rea-alp.com

    02/03/2002 08:43:53
    1. [CASANFRA] Order SF birth/death online
    2. Pamela Storm Wolfskill
    3. I'm probably the last to know about this...<grin> Ron Filion just told me that we can order birth and death certificates for San Francisco online: http://www.sfo.com/~timandpamwolf/sfnews.htm If anyone has tried this, or will do so soon, please let me know how it goes! Thanks! Pam psw@sfo.com -- Pamela Storm Wolfskill The USGenWeb Project, San Francisco http://www.sfo.com/~timandpamwolf/sfrancty.htm

    02/02/2002 11:26:58
    1. [CASANFRA] Xavier MEFRET, 1882
    2. Pamela Storm Wolfskill
    3. Hi Listers, I received the following inquiry written in French. I plugged it into "Babel Fish" for a translation and came up with this: "Hello, I am French and I search of documentation on an uncle of my father who was called Xavier MEFRET and who was a director of the "FRENCH AND ENGLISH INSTITUTE" in San Francisco in 1882. Can you help me? Thank you. (By the way, "Babel Fish" is a really neat little tool if you're interested: http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn ) I generally advise folks to join the list and ask their questions, but in this case, if the inquirer doesn't speak English, that won't be very helpful. If any one can help, would you please post to the list and I'll forward the messages? Thanks so much! Pam psw@sfo.com CASANFRA "ListMom"

    02/02/2002 11:23:13
    1. [CASANFRA] Street Address do a 180 degree flip,
    2. George Rushton
    3. In the 1895 San Francisco City Directory, Central Avenue runs from Pacific Ave and the Presidio Reservation, with that being the #1 Central to Waller and Buena Vista, being 2401 Central. But in the 1896-97 on the street has done a 180 degree flip with the street starting at Buena Vista and Waller, 1 Central, and ending at Pacific Avenue, 2400 Central. Does anyone know why and was this the only street to do that, and why? For I was checking for someone, and their business moved from 206 Central, in 1895 to 1612 Central, in 1896, but they only really moved from Central between Washington and Clay to Central between Sutter and Bush. George __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com

    01/30/2002 08:36:07
    1. [CASANFRA] SundayCoffee@topica.com
    2. George Rushton
    3. Found this on another list, do not know anything about, but it looks interesting. George -------- Original Message -------- Subject: SUNDAY MORNING COFFEE Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:41:50 -0700 From: Colleen Pustola <ladyaudris@earthlink.net> Reply-To: ladyaudris@earthlink.net To: SundayCoffee@topica.com Today's topics include: 1. Welcome to new subscribers 2. A continuation from last week's Coffee re: scams a. Genealogy Developments ~ is it familydiscovery.com? b. GedLink TO OUR NEWEST SUBSCRIBERS ~~ I'd like to extend a most hearty welcome to those of you who joined us this past week. We are very glad to have you and hope you'll stay and remain a part of us. This is not a discussion group, but a read-only service. If you would like to make any comments regarding this Coffee or any others, you are welcome to send them to me at <ladyaudris@earthlink.net>. Please share this Coffee with your genealogy friends and relatives and invite them to join us, as well. To subscribe to this newsletter all they need to do is send a blank email to <SundayCoffee-subscribe@topica.com>. A CONTINUATION FROM LAST WEEK'S COFFEE re: SCAMS I covered the subject regarding scams last week and was supposed to have discussed two other subjects today (see, it's right here on my calendar!). However, I've received so many messages regarding Genealogy Developments and Gedlink that I decided I'd better cover both in depth. It seems that each enterprise has begun a publicity campaign and everyone is wondering, "is it a scam?" Here's the lowdown on each: a. GENEALOGY DEVELOPMENTS ~ IS IT FAMILYDISCOVERY.COM? "This is a new commercial enterprise!" No, it isn't. This has all the trappings of Family Discovery using a new alias; same ploy as before ~ just with a new wrapping. Avoid them like you would any of Family Discovery's other "enterprises." Tender newbies, if you didn't follow up on the links I gave you last week, then you still don't know and most definitely need to read this: The subject of Family Discovery is NOT new and yes, they are rip-offs. This is an old subject among those of us who have been doing online genealogy for at least the last two years. The storyline changes a little, but the players are all the same, and you should be made aware... Family Discovery, et al links their pages to free Rootsweb <http://www.rootsweb.com> sites and archive pages, GenWeb sites, and privately owned sites by way of frames ... sites on which all the information is already free. Unless the attached site has some sort of identifier on each page, you the viewer, will not realize that you're viewing free pages and *paying* for the "privilege" of doing so! Family Discovery is doing this without permission and are currently under investigation by at least two states' attorneys. Genealogy Developments advertises, "Currently we provide easy access to over 900 million records." Of course they can say something like that! Think about all the free sites there are to link to! We are here for your convenience as a researcher. (I'd like to know who COUNTED all those records that they can say something like that, by the way!) Then they go on to say, "We are working on a very large scale SEARCH ENGINE that will search billions upon billions of genealogy records." [my capitals] And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. Genealogy Developments is advertising precisely what Family Discovery, et al does ... a search engine, and it's always "planned to be up and running within the next month." <http://www.genealogydevelopments.com/records.html> Please, heed this warning. A new ad has begun to circulate under the name of <GenealogyDevelopments.com>. Visit their site <http://www.genealogydevelopments.com>, have a good look around ... do you see a contact address? No? There's a good clue for you to realize that something isn't up to what it reports itself to be. (It doesn't really make a difference because even if there was one your messages would not be answered.) Now, while I'm at it, you need to know the other aliases so you're not taken in. Following is a list of sites associated with Family Discovery domain owners in one way or another: genealogydevelopments.com familydiscovery.com genealogyfinders.com genealogyfinders.net aboent.com genseeker.com genseekers.com genealogy-express.com Most of the above sites bill themselves as "the most comprehensive easy to use collection of online records ever compiled," or something close to it. Of course it is, if they link to every free website they can find! Save your money and do the search yourself! You DO NOT need to pay for a service that is already free if you know where to look. If you need assistance, send a message to the list and state in the top line of your message that you're a newbie needing help; you'll probably get more than you can handle! :) Gene Olson has has been a chronic thorn (yeaay!) in the side of the owners of the above sites to the point of having a death threat put against him! At first he focused strictly on FamilyDiscovery.com in an attempt to get them prosecuted. He has since refocused his Anti-Family Discovery Web Site and broadened its scope. It now includes any company that uses illegal or unethical business practices. You newbies to online genealogy would be wise to go to his site and read up on this company so you won't be ripped off. Click on the following link and you'll be taken directly to his site: <http://www.compuright.net/badbusiness/>. Gene's email address is <gene_olson@compuright.net>. Another site has taken over where Gene Olson left off. The website, Census Diggins, which I gave you a link to last week <http://www.censusdiggins.com/familydiscovery.html> has messages online from quite a few people who have stepped forward to tell you of their dealings with Family Discovery and some of their aliases. If you haven't done it already, it would be in your best interests to check it out, if only for a quick look. Just please, remember the above list of aliases. These people will take your money, giving you little to nothing in return, and from their past history will not answer any of your messages. Hide your wallet, checkbook, credit card, and run! :) b. GEDLINK *EVERYONE* seems to be wondering about GedLink. Are they a scam, or what? Does anybody know anything? Well, I have to honestly say, I don't know if they're a scam. However, I DO know a few things which I now report here: We DO know that GedLink is in the middle of a major publicity campaign because mention of their messages is popping up all over the lists. I've been doing a little investigating on GedLink because I've received so many messages asking about the site. They ask you to register (not a problem), and you have to download a trial version of their program (free) to link up with others. The premise here is to be able to allow others to view your data at the same time you're viewing theirs. What they don't tell you until about four pages into the site, at the end of registration, is that they want you to become a member for $19/year which allows them "to develop, maintain and constantly upgrade the system and gives you access to the FULL version, allowing you to request family trees." Until you pay, you can't access the promised features. One of GedLink's designers said in an online message, "The GedLink Software can be freely used. With GedLink, you can search for names, issue requests, and send messages without becoming a paying member. We don't want to write that the user has to pay for GedLink before the registration, in order not to frighten him before he has first used the Software, and we think it's not necessary, because there is no cost involved for the basic features the user expects (search, requests...) . On the second hand, it's true that we want to offer more features to paying members, as soon as we end the test phase, but GedLink shall always stay satisfying and useful for simple users who don't want to pay." Further down the same message the Gedlink designers says, "let me try to reassure you a little about our company. "Infoduc" exists since 1994. Its main product was a French shareware for genealogy, called "Win Genealogic," until we decided 1999 to "go internet". We created "notrefamille.com", a still flourishing web based service for the family, including genealogical tools. We signed some partnerships with important French portals like "Wanadoo" (France Telecom) and "AOL France", where our genealogical tools, including GedLink, will soon be available. They can be presently seen on voila.fr (which belongs to France Telecom)." I checked and they are indeed seen on the following site: http://noms.voila.fr/s/f1/welcome/default.asp Most of the people I've read receiving posts from this project were apprehensive and backed out before they were charged. They have already learned an important lesson: do NOT download software, or register with a company, unless they tell you up front whether money's involved and if so, how much. When in doubt, do your own investigation and see what others are saying about it. This next message is from someone on one of my lists: "I use Gedlink and I recommend that you invest in Norton Internet Security. Gedlink works on you sharing a directory (in your computer) with your gedcom file in it which you would need to update everytime you made changes. I have asked Gedlink on several ocassions about security with this method of sharing and what keeps someone from hacking into other areas of your hard drive. On their FAQ page <http://www.gedlink.com/web/en/support/faq.asp>. Nothing addresses security, Gedlink has tried to assure me that their software prevents this....sure just as Microsoft prevented those from accessing Outlook and most recently Windows XP." At this point I need to reiterate ~ I am not saying Gedlink is a scam. I've found no negative messages about them after doing a major Web search ~ the nearest negativity being that in the last paragraph. People I've contacted have not heard anything negative. I'm willing to give GedLink a temporary benefit of the doubt, but I won't be giving them my money. I really don't get warm and fuzzy feelings from a company that buries their fees, not divulging them until you're already registered and they have your email address. How do you protect yourself? Apply to your Internet dealings the same good sense you try to use in everything else you do. However, on the Web you need to be more than just a little skeptical. As others have said, "Keep an open mind, but don't let your brain fall out!" Family ... it's what we're all about. I so enjoyed spending this time with you today. Thank you for sharing it with me. I wish each of you a week filled with health, productivity, fun, and above all, filled with love and inner peace. ) ( ) _.-~~-. (@'--'/. Colleen ('``.__.'`) `..____.' ============================================================ Imagine making ALL of your phone calls anywhere in the world for FREE!! No Fees of any kind! Call from Any Phone, not over the Internet! No purchases and No credit cards required. 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