Hi Listers, I want to thank George Rushton for directing me to the SF Medical Examiner's web page http://www.sfgov.org/med_examiner/ I sent them a request for the Coroner's report regarding the death of my Uncle Douglas at age 8 in 1925 (run over by a Ford Model T truck). Before a week was out I had the report in my hands! It was very sad to read it. It is only 2 pages but contains all sorts of details (for example, died the day after the accident from fractured skull and pelvis and ruptured liver. They brought him first to Park Emergency Hospital, moved him to Mission Hospital, then to S.F. Hospital where he died). I was really impressed with how responsive they were. Thanks again George for linking me up with them. Linda Hamid Roseville, California

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To Bonnie in San Rafael CA mailto:Bonportnoy@aol.com I have copied your request and quite a bit more. The NDGW pages I copied had many apparent errors but I have tried to correct them to align with the vital statistics information. You will have figure it out for yourself. Perhaps you have more information that will make sense of all of the conflicting dates. Highlights: S. T. DAKEN, well-known artist of Santa Rosa, was born in Bunker Hill, Macoupin County, IL in 1876. He was the son of Henry and Deluska (WEEKS) DAKEN, natives of Canada and St. Louis MO, respectively. As a child, he came to CA with his parents and the family settled first in Sacramento. At the age of nine he began to learn the trade of decorator and fresco painter, following this in San Francisco for many years. He devoted his entire time to painting and sketching, opening a studio on Van Ness avenue in San Francisco. As a result of the earthquake and fire, he removed to Glen Ellen Sonoma County and then to Santa Rosa where he opened an art studio. He conducted classes there until he took the position as an art instructor at Ursuline College. He was married in 1904 and is the father of two children, Edna May and Sidney T. (notation from NDGW says Sidney was also an artist) However, obituary says he was survived by two daughters. Sidney could be a male or female name. Samuel Tilden DAKIN died of cancer at age 59 in Georgetown, El Dorado County, on May 3 1935. His obituary notes he was born in June, 187.. It lists him as a native of Massachusetts, well-known San Francisco and Mill Valley submarine artist. In 1926 his work was praised in a story and illustration of him was published in a magazine of nationwide circulation. His landscape paintings were studied by a group of scientists in Washington DC. He was survived by his wife, two daughters and two brothers. 1880 Census Place: Sacramento, Sacramento, California Source: FHL Film 1254071 National Archives Film T9-0071 Page 207C Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Henry DAKEN Self M M W 52 CAN Occ: Carriage Maker Fa: CAN Mo: CAN Dora DAKEN Wife F M W 38 OH Occ: Keeping House Fa: OH Mo: OH Clay A. DAKEN Dau F S W 16 OH Occ: At Home Fa: OH Mo: OH Henry C. DAKEN Son M S W 11 MO Occ: At School Fa: CAN Mo: OH Joseph P. DAKEN Son M S W 13 IL Occ: At School Fa: CAN Mo: OH Saml. J. DAKEN Son M S W 4 CA Fa: CAN Mo: OH Stephen L. DAKEN Son M S W 6 CA Fa: CAN Mo: OH >From NDGW information Henry DAKEN was born in Springfield IL and came to CA approx 1858-1859. He married Miss Dorluskey WEEKS (Dora, above) approx 1853 Springfield IL. >From CADI Delusk DAKEN died at age 93 in Sacramento on July 7 1932. Spouse initials H. C. Her obituary says she was the mother of Steve DAKEN, Folsom; Joe DAKEN, Hayward; Mrs. C. WALSHAW, Oakland; Henry DAKEN, Nye District and Tilden DAKEN of IL. She was a native of OH, 92 years, 11 months and 8 days. Joseph P. DAKEN was born in Springfield IL Jan 10 1855 - if census information is correct this date is wrong. >From CADI Joseph P. DAKEN (mother's maiden name WEEKS) was born Jan 10 1867 IL. He married Susan DAVIS June 16 approx 1883 in Sacramento (this fact was supplied by Mrs. Susan DAVIS DAKEN, which seems odd since you would think she'd know her marriage year.) >From CADI he died in Alameda Aug 8 1947. His wife lists Sept 7 1946, Hayward CA Susan Davis DAKEN was born in CA 2/08/1868 mother's maiden name SELBY; she died Alameda 5/26/1959 Henry DAKEN was born in Springfield IL approx 1856; he married Lily ODOM. Lillah Dale ODOM was born 2/21/1869 Georgia and died in Yolo County 12/16/1949 Clay DAKEN was born in Springfield IL approx 1854 (census indicates 1864) She married Albert WALSHAW. NDGW says she died in Oakland in 1947 but I can't locate her in the death index. Children: Pearl WOLSHAW SWIFT, Alameda and George. Please note, Pearl's last name is spelt two ways in the submission. >From CADI Elsie DAKEN (spouse P B) died Alameda 4/10/1917 Paul B. DAKEN died Alameda 1/9/1926 Henry DAKEN age 86 died Yuba County 6/11/1916 - no obituary George DAKEN spouse E died age 54 Los Angeles 7/14/1934 Henry DAKEN spouse L. died age 70 Sacramento 3/3/1939 - no obituary Stephen B. DAKEN age 55 died Alameda 6/6/1931 Re: Susan (DAVIS) DAKEN I think this may be her family: 1880 Census Place: Hot Spring, Napa, California Source: FHL Film 1254069 National Archives Film T9-0069 Page 423C Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace J. M. DAVIS Self M M W 48 TN Occ: Farmer Fa: TN Mo: TN Rachiel DAVIS Wife F M W 41 IL Occ: Keeping House Fa: IL Mo: IL Olive DAVIS Dau F S W 21 CA Occ: At Home Fa: TN Mo: IL Francis DAVIS Dau F S W 14 CA Occ: At Home Fa: TN Mo: IL Susan DAVIS Dau F S W 12 CA Occ: At Home Fa: TN Mo: IL Charles DAVIS Son M S W 5 CA Fa: TN Mo: IL Lewis DIGHTS Other M S W 21 IL Occ: Laborer Fa: SWIT Mo: SWI And also from CADI ANDERSON SYDNEY T 01/01/1898 DAKEN F CALIFORNIA SAN DIEGO(37) 05/07/1984 569-44-7239 86 yrs Could this be Sydney?

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Probably faster from the county. Sacramento has everything but they get pretty busy. -----Original Message----- From: lindae@mlode.com [mailto:lindae@mlode.com] Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 10:12 AM To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CASANFRA] Question re: Vital Records Based on anyone's experience with Vital Records in California, would you suggest ordering death certificates directly from the Office of V.R.s in Sacramento or through each individual county? Thanks... Linda ______________________________

The county seat is Lakeport. Try this: http://www.vitalrec.com/cacounties5.html Lake County Vital Records OfficeLake County Clerk 255 North Forbes Street Lakeport, CA 95453-4731 (707) 263-2231 Related Links: Lake County USGenWeb lookups in Courthouse records Linda Hamid Roseville, CA -----Original Message----- From: lindae@mlode.com [mailto:lindae@mlode.com] Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 8:11 AM To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CASANFRA] Lake County? I haven't been able to locate the website for Lake County from the Rootsweb county menu and I'm wondering if anyone here knows where to order a death certificate. Thanks... Linda ______________________________

I have a death cert for an unnamed female infant that was still born in San Francisco on March 26, 1913. The contributory cause of death was syphilis. The mother was Herminee Lambert, address was 513 Broadway. Father is Unknown. The cert does not give Herminee's age but her place of birth is France. Does Herminee belong to anyone on this list? Linda (Lambert) Hamid Roseville, California

Bob On how some one is listed in the Directory, I am not sure. In most cases I have found men who are working or who I guest are retired. Also for women, widows with the name of their husbands, or women who were working. Now in the Oakland Directories, I have also found students, for remember they also covered Berkeley, and the nice thing some times in those directories I have also found the date of death of a man. --- Bob and Mary Specht <rasmas@spiritone.com> wrote: > Hi George > Yes we had located Rudolph in the 1886-87-88 San > Francisco Directories, actually that is how I > learned of him, and some years his address is the > same as my GGM so I assume he was some realative. Do > you know what was the criterion for being listed in > the directories > What I would like to find now is where he came from > in Germany. I have family in Amsterdam, Holland that > wiill take the chase from there, so I am trying most > any place I can think of. > > Bob Specht > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards� http://movies.yahoo.com/

Goeff You might want to write to this address; St. James Church 1086 Guerrero St. San Francisco, 94110 415 824 4232 Pastor Fr. Daniel E. Carter For help George --- Geoff Start <geoff@whisht.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > Any advice/help please. > > i e-mailed St Mary's cathedral 26 feb 02 to confirm > burial and baptism dates.No response at all.Do they > normally not reply or are they very busy? > > i found a site for St.James' church SFO but cannot > now find it anywhere? > > in 1920/30 my SFO family lived in linden ave,willow > ave and ivy avenue.Are these the linden/willow/ivy > streets of modern maps. > > i have followed this very interesting list for about > 12 months now so have every confidence that somebody > will be able to help. > > thanks in advance, > GEOFF START, > DARLINGTON,COUNTY DURHAM,ENGLAND. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards� http://movies.yahoo.com/

Is there a volunteer on the list with access to the pre-1905 death books. I've been searching for information on Zebulon Montgomery Pike CLOUGH who died in the year 1903 date unknown. It appears the books should contain Mr. CLOUGH and the index survived. Book "Q" - Oct.23, 1901 to June 30, 1903 {Index O.K. {Record O.K. Book "R" - July 1, 1903 to June 30, 1904 {Index O.K. {Record O.K Diana Busby-Knight

S.F. O'Donnell wrote: > I just heard that the 1930 census is due to be released on April 1, > 2002. *yippee* (heard this on C-SPAN)! That's the good news :-) Unfortunatly, there is some not-so-good news, too. California isn't indexed. Only 12 southern states are fully or partially indexed. It's going to be much more of a challenge to find our folks than for some previous census years. Here is the url for NARA's information page on the 1930 census release: http://www.nara.gov/genealogy/1930cen.html One section I highly recommend you pay special attention to is Part 5: Tutorial: "Start Your 1930 Census Research Now!" As I announced in February, NARA in San Bruno has been offering 1930 census workshops. I attended one of them, and found it to be very helpful (believe me, this census is not going to be an easy one to use, so we'll need all the help we can get!). The "Preparing for 1930" workshops have all passed now, but there will be several "Census Research Including 1930 US Census Records" workshops in April, May and June. If you're in the SF area, I highly recommend you try to attend one of them. For the list of workshop dates for NARA in San Bruno, see: http://www.sfo.com/~timandpamwolf/nara2002.htm At the workshop I attended, we were advised that NARA expects pretty large crowds for the first several months at least, so they will most likely strictly enforce the two-hour limit on microfilm readers. If you read the online tutorial mentioned above, you'll see that there are several things you might be able to do in advance of your trip in order to save yourself precious minutes on the microfilm reader. I honestly think that if you show up without having done any preparation, you will come away very frustrated and dissapointed at the end of your two-hour time limit. I highly recommend you do whatever you can in advance as outlined in the tutorial! If you aren't in the SF area, but are near another NARA branch, check with them to see if they're offering any similar workshops. You might also check with your local genealogical societies to see if they plan any seminars/workshops. I don't want to seem to discourage everyone, but after having attended one of these workshops, I can't stress enough that the 1930 census for the unindexed states is going to be difficult, and will take some know-how and preparation in order to use them effectively. But then, genealogists don't often shy away from such challenges! I'll bet those jubilant shouts of "I FOUND THEM!" will just be all that much louder in research rooms all over the country as we search for our families in this census! :-) Good luck and have fun everyone! Pam psw@sfo.com -- Pamela Storm Wolfskill The USGenWeb Project, San Francisco http://www.sfo.com/~timandpamwolf/sfrancty.htm

Since the work I used to do entailed helping people get birth records, I would generally say always avoid going to the state record level if at all possible. Sacramento has always been particularly poor. New York State was particularly obnoxious, cashing checks and letting requests age for months. Vital records are cash cows no matter what jurisdiction. Historically the Santa Cruz County Recorder's office, for example, has had an income in excess of $1.5 million. Fees not only fully (under)fund the deparment but provide services for battered women and children, and the general fund.

Hi everyone, I just heard that the 1930 census is due to be released on April 1, 2002. *yippee* (heard this on C-SPAN)! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

I gave a private answer to the question about whether to go to a county for records or to Sacramento. I gave my personal horror story, with all dates. And after all that, I was told turn over times were 4 - 6 months. Since then, it would appear that the situation is worse. Other states do not have the option of going to the state source or the county. You send your info to the state source, and get your reply within one month. And, if they cannot find the record, they send back your check. My experience with Sacramento was horrible, and they kept the money.

Edward A. Black, Sr. wrote: > > I just wanted to mark the start of my most ambitious task--the > Transcription of the 1870 Census for San Francisco to go online. <snip> Edward, this is wonderful news! Thank you for all of the transcription work that you've already done, and for taking on such an ambitious new challenge. We look forward to hearing about your progress! Pam psw@sfo.com -- Pamela Storm Wolfskill The USGenWeb Project, San Francisco http://www.sfo.com/~timandpamwolf/sfrancty.htm

>Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 19:32:06 -0800 >To: Transcriptionists >From: "Donna@MBS" <mbs@inland.net> >Subject: pre-1905 weekly update > >Hi all; >It's that time again...for another update on our progress. Lots of good things are happening. We have gotten funding for Alameda County from the Livermore - Amador Genealogical Society and they will be helping with transcription although we will be working on it as well. We have also gotten the balance of our funding for San Francisco County from a very generous man in Australia. Also appears as we may be able to trade some info on San Francisco with another genealogical society who has done some we haven't and vice versa. Things are jumpin'. > >We have gotten Lake County and Modoc County out for transcription, Kern County done and soon to be online and naturally much more of San Francisco scheduled to go online as soon as proofing, etc gets done. We have had some questions about Sacramento County getting online, which is in the near future, but we are at the funding stage there and would like to get some of those pending online. We have about a dozen counties where the records are ordered and over 20 counties with over 30 volumes being transcribed right now. We want to get some of those done before we get another big county going (I can't find room for more files on my desk at the moment). Santa Cruz County has been funded as well and other donations toward some of the other counties which are building up their totals to cover costs. All of you have been wonderful with your donations to keep this ball rolling. > >Modoc County was transcribed by a donor an just needs to be set in our template which is happening right now so that should be up rather fast as well. Del Norte County is going out to start transcription too. And, we will be finishing up some of the other batches that have been in transcription for awhile. To put it nicely, we are working on completing some counties to get them online. > >I have to admit that I never dreamed this would move along as rapidly as it has been going. We have been at this for only two and one half months and the progress is phenomenal when you think about it. I couldn't do it without all the donors (over 90) and all the volunteers (well over 100). They are all incredible and really staying on top of all this. Never in my wildest dreams did I realize the response I would get with my first email that said "HELP! HELP! HELP!", way back in the beginning of January. You are all really wonderful and very giving and helpful people out there. All the support is incredible and the "Found" stories keep rolling in. > >To maintain this speed though, I regret to inform you, we cannot do lookups during this process. Several have asked and I have had to turn you down. We are getting them all online as fast as our little ol' fingers will go, so please be patient. > >The website <http://www.rootsweb.com/~cabf1905> has only been up for less than two months and we have had almost 7000 hits so far, so we must be sparking some interest there. Keep visiting. That is what it is there for. We will keep you updated as new areas are placed on the web. Please note that weekly, the site is updated by Steve (my hero and our computer guru) to keep you informed on the latest completed files as well as the status of all the areas we currently have "under constructions". And to keep our hero happy is our heroine, Laura who keeps all our transcribers "technically" up to snuff. A special thanks to all of you. > >Me...I just organize (or try to) all this hullaballoo, keep the books, order records and help our transcribers when they can't read some of the older, too dark or too light handwriting. You could say I am technically the "non-technical" side of the project. If you would like to help, email me. If you would like to send a donation, send it to me. If you have a question, ask me. I will do what I can or send you in the right direction. > >Soooooo, for now, that is about it. We are working and hopefully, you are enjoying. Till next week..... > >Donna Bradley >Project Coordinator >Pre-1905 Project >P. O. Box 391368 >Anza, CA 92539-1368 >http://www.rootsweb.com/~cabf1905 > >

Linda, I just wrote (Feb. 2002) to the Vital Records office in Sacramento to ask for copies of marriage certificates, one from the 20th century and one from the 19th Century and they sent it back to me, with my check, saying they have a one year backlog and recommend I write directly to the county. Alyce

Hi everyone, I find this idea of a one year backlog pretty fascinating. In 1990-1994, IBM was working on what was called the Vital Records Improvement Project for the State. Part of this project was to created an OCR software system wherein all the old vital statistics certificates archived by the State could be scanned in and retrieved through any number of search criteria. Both the State and IBM spent millions on this project. Now they say there's a 12 month backlog? What's wrong with this picture? Sue Silver ----- Original Message ----- From: <AlyceTrave@aol.com> To: <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Question re: Vital Records > Linda, > I just wrote (Feb. 2002) to the Vital Records office in Sacramento to > ask for copies of marriage certificates, one from the 20th century and one > from the 19th Century and they sent it back to me, with my check, saying they > have a one year backlog and recommend I write directly to the county. > > Alyce > >

I am seeking information regarding Philipp Wilhelm SACK who died at the German Hospital in San Francisco on 22 Oct 1878. Would SKS be willing to check the Directories and/or Census for 1870-1878 to see if he is listed? Thanks so much! Karen Rothermel