Does anyone know when the SF Marriage Records were required to be registered and if so how might I obtain access to them? I am looking for the marriage record for my ggrandfather, Alois Brunn and Florence (last name unknown) who were married between 1900 and 1905 in or near San Francsico (but probably within SF) Thank you, Patti pmhpml@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

This is for Julie, You may want to try the spelling as Healy or Healey, I found my greatgrandfather Edward Healy, listed in the 1880 SF census as Haley, But had to be him as the age and others he was living with matched. Just a thought. Janet >From: CASANFRA-D-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com >To: CASANFRA-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: CASANFRA-D Digest V02 #94 >Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:04:16 -0600 > ><< message2.txt >> ><< message4.txt >> ><< message6.txt >> ><< message8.txt >> ><< message11.txt >> ><< message13.txt >> ><< message15.txt >> ><< message17.txt >> ><< message19.txt >> ><< message21.txt >> ><< message23.txt >> _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Hi Ruth, Thanks very much for your lookup. My John Henry Church came to San Francisco from Australia where he was born . I wish he fit in with the Churchs you found but the life of a genealogist is never easy. Kathleen ------------------------------------ Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! http://www.eboom.com/free/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Skewis" <ruth4527@mindspring.com> To: "Ross Crain" <rosscrain@shaw.ca>; <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: RE: [CASANFRA] John Henry Church > I have bios on CHURCH folks in my SF books (but nothing for JOHN HENRY > CHURCH): > > From BAY OF SAN FRANCISCO, publ 1892 (a two volume set) > ================== > CHURCH, E.B - Vol II - page 473 > He was an Episcopal Minister and the 4th generation to have this name > (EDWARD B CHURCH). "He held the position of head Master of St. Matthew's > Hall in San Mateo from 1869 to 1881. In 1881 he came to San Francisco and > established Irving Institute, the well known school for young ladies" > === > CHURCH, L.S. - Vol I - page 603 > He was born in Alvarado, Alameda Co. in 1865 - a lawyer and appointed > Assistant District Attorney in 1889. He and wife had 9 children - none of > these children was named JOHN HENRY CHURCH. > === > CHURCH, R.W. - Vol I - page 602 > He is one of the brothers of L.S. mentioned above - he was born 1855 in > Alameda County =-also a lawyer and politician - he and wife Mattie had 2 > children - non of which is your JOHN HENRY CHURCH > > ==================================== > ==================================== > From HISTORY OF SAN FRANCISCO BAY REGION - by Millard Bailey, publ 1924 (a > three volume set) > ====================== > CHURCH, Augutus - Vol III page 368 > He was born in 1816 in New York. He is the father of the L.S. and R.W. > above - he and wife Ellen had five children who are not named. > ============================================================================ > ================ > > Hope you find this of interest! > RUTH > _________________________________ > Ruth(Grady)Skewis-Sacramento, CA > ruth4527@mindspring.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ross Crain [mailto:rosscrain@shaw.ca] > > Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 2:15 PM > > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [CASANFRA] John Henry Church > > > > > > Can anyone tell me anything about John Henry Church who was a > > capitalist with an office in San Francisco in 1889. He lived in > > Fruitvale in Almeda county and had a son named Alford. > > Hope this rings a bell with someone. > > Kathleen Crain > > Vancouver,BC,Canada > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! > > http://www.eboom.com/free/ > > >

I have bios on CHURCH folks in my SF books (but nothing for JOHN HENRY CHURCH): From BAY OF SAN FRANCISCO, publ 1892 (a two volume set) ================== CHURCH, E.B - Vol II - page 473 He was an Episcopal Minister and the 4th generation to have this name (EDWARD B CHURCH). "He held the position of head Master of St. Matthew's Hall in San Mateo from 1869 to 1881. In 1881 he came to San Francisco and established Irving Institute, the well known school for young ladies" === CHURCH, L.S. - Vol I - page 603 He was born in Alvarado, Alameda Co. in 1865 - a lawyer and appointed Assistant District Attorney in 1889. He and wife had 9 children - none of these children was named JOHN HENRY CHURCH. === CHURCH, R.W. - Vol I - page 602 He is one of the brothers of L.S. mentioned above - he was born 1855 in Alameda County =-also a lawyer and politician - he and wife Mattie had 2 children - non of which is your JOHN HENRY CHURCH ==================================== ==================================== From HISTORY OF SAN FRANCISCO BAY REGION - by Millard Bailey, publ 1924 (a three volume set) ====================== CHURCH, Augutus - Vol III page 368 He was born in 1816 in New York. He is the father of the L.S. and R.W. above - he and wife Ellen had five children who are not named. ============================================================================ ================ Hope you find this of interest! RUTH _________________________________ Ruth(Grady)Skewis-Sacramento, CA ruth4527@mindspring.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Ross Crain [mailto:rosscrain@shaw.ca] > Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 2:15 PM > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CASANFRA] John Henry Church > > > Can anyone tell me anything about John Henry Church who was a > capitalist with an office in San Francisco in 1889. He lived in > Fruitvale in Almeda county and had a son named Alford. > Hope this rings a bell with someone. > Kathleen Crain > Vancouver,BC,Canada > > > ------------------------------------ > Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! > http://www.eboom.com/free/ >

I'm searching for any information on the Cosmopolitan Milling Co. of San Francisco, CA. (year ca.1878) Where was this milling co. located at. Are there any pictures of it. Maybe in a city directory? Thanks Eugene Beckett

Can anyone tell me anything about John Henry Church who was a capitalist with an office in San Francisco in 1889. He lived in Fruitvale in Almeda county and had a son named Alford. Hope this rings a bell with someone. Kathleen Crain Vancouver,BC,Canada ------------------------------------ Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! http://www.eboom.com/free/

Looking for family of Bennet Mulreany from Mountcharles Co Donegal Ire. Patrick and Jean. In NV in 1996 and Moya Mulreany living in San Francisco in 2001 Thanks Sharon Gallagher Shaffer

Does anyone have access to the 1870 census for San Francisco? Any help on ESTELITA/ESTILITA etc. would be greatly appreciated. Gwen

Mike O'Brien wrote: > > Sorry Gwen. > There were no listing for ESTELITA/ESILITA in either the 1860 or 1870 census > index. > I couldn't guess at any variations. > Mike I can think of at least one - ESSELEDA. In the 1850, 1860, and 1870 Censuses, the enumerators tende to spell Spanish names phonetically. They were spelled like they sounded. This lead to some really interesting spellings. Also some of the hand-writing is a challenge to decipher. In the 1850 Census, my FELIZ family had their surname spelled FELIZ - FILLES - FALES. Another thought is that Spanish sometimes interchanged letters "s" = "z" and "i" = "y". I've found that to locate foreign names, it helps to say the names based on how it is spelled rather than looking at the spelling alone. Hope this helps, Anita C. Monterey County

Sorry Gwen. There were no listing for ESTELITA/ESILITA in either the 1860 or 1870 census index. I couldn't guess at any variations. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <GGDGEN@aol.com> To: <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 5:56 AM Subject: [CASANFRA] census > Does anyone have access to the 1870 census for San Francisco? Any help on > ESTELITA/ESTILITA etc. would be greatly appreciated. > Gwen >

Hi Patti, This is the only family listed for 1880. Census Place: Alameda, Alameda, California Source: FHL Film 1254062 National Archives Film T9-0062 Page 663A Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace J. W. TAURECK Self M M W 25 NY Occ: Longshoreman Fa: GER Mo: GER Julia A. TAURECK Other F M W 25 VA Occ: Boarder Fa: SCOT Mo: VA Fred TAURECK Other M S W 15 CA Occ: Boarder At School Fa: NY Mo: VA Annie SMITH Other F S W 3 CA Fa: SCOT Mo: CA Maureen (NY,USA) Ye Old Directory Shoppe 1/2 price BLAST! Select from approx.166 directory cds http://yeoldedirectoryshoppe.com/oldcitydirectories/CD.html FREE transcription and look-up pages now on-line! Let's break down those brick walls OLD CITY DIRECTORIES ON CD's! Great for finding elusive census addresses! http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/molly./ MOODY Family and decendants http://www.geocities.com/molly19_55/index.html Researching: O'CONNELL/CONNELL, CULLITY, FORREST, MOODY, AVENT, TRIGGS, TRINNICK,HOLLAND, GARDINER, FLOOD, KNOWELL, O'DONOGHUE/DONOGHUE/DONOHUE, RYAN, PELLICY, SULLIVAN/O'SULLIVAN, JAMES, HENNING, MATTHEWS, ROWE, ELLIS, PETERS, CHAMBERLAIN, FROST, SNOW, CRUWYS, REED, PARKIN, WILLIAMS, VITA, PELUSO, VIVACQUA, CANTONE, PERRONE, ORLANDO,and ROSA Also:SHANNON, READEY, WYNNE/WINNE, McDONNEL, SEAWOOD, MAHRENHOLZ, HOKE, HUMPHREYS, GROS, BRANSBY, DeVINE, PAUBA/POUBA, HEJL, AMREITER, RITZ, CHARVAT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti It's_Me" <pmhpml@hotmail.com> To: <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:17 PM Subject: [CASANFRA] SF 1870 & 1880 Cencus Lookup > > If anyone who has access to the 1870 and/or 1880 SF Census could look up the > surname TAURECK for me it would be greatly appreciated. > > Patti > pmhpml@hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com >

Hi Patti, Very interesting. Unfortunately, there were no TAURECK's listed for either 1860 or 1870 census index. The census index I use covers the whole US. Question comes up now is whether or not they changed their names at some time. I say this for several reasons. A little history lesson here that might help. Originally, the country of Prussia was called Pomerania. Located on the Baltic sea. Western Pomerania is now part of Germany. Eastern Pomerania is now part of Poland. The people in Pomerania had their own language, music, dress and customs and were known as Kashubian. When Russia conquered that area it was renamed Prussia. After W.W.I the western part of Prussia was given to Germany and after W.W.II the eastern part was given to Poland. The Kashubian culture still exists today and the Polish and German people can not understand their language. Now.... My g-grand parents on my mother's side came from the eastern part of Prussia in 1872 to Ontario Canada. Their names were Witkowski. After they arrived in Ontario they changed their name to Vitkuskie. My grandfather was born in Ontario as a Vitkuskie. After he was grown he changed his name to Kuske. So here you can see the possibility of the names being changed. It will be hard to find out. I was lucky and my aunt had most of the information and another person wrote a book about the polish immigrants to Ontario and listed all of my ancestors. Sorry I couldn't find them for you. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti It's_Me" <pmhpml@hotmail.com> To: <obrienm@netwiz.net> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] 1860 S.F. Census Lookup/1856 Passenger Arrivals/1875 Obituary > Mike: I saw your quick response to Cynthia regarding her family in SF > County onthe 1860 Census. I was wondering if you might possibly be able to > help me. I am looking for the TAURECK family. This is a very unusual last > name and they were in SF, Alameda Counties. Their original homeland was > Prussia but old documents state Germany. If you could, would you be so kind > in looking up WILHELM TAURECK, CHARLES TAURECK, and any other TAURECK's you > might find. All are related I am trying to put the pieces together. I do > know that Charles Taureck was in SF/Alameda County in 1860 so I am hoping > you find him and any relatives that show for him. > > Thank you so very much, > > Patti > pmhpml@hotmail.com (all small letters) > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com >

Does someone have access to a census index for San Francisco for 1860? It doesn't seem to be on Ancestry or I'm looking in the wrong place. I'm looking for: Father: Robert Sinclair Miller, b 1816 Son: George Sinclair Miller, b 1840 George's mother, Margaret ?, died soon after George was born and he was raised by his grandmother. The only grandmother I have a name for is Caroline Mathilda Miller. Check on the index for her too please. Family story says that George arrived in San Francisco on the day that "the vigilantes hung Charles Cora and a man named Casey in the year of 1854". I've done some checking and they were hanged on 22 May 1856, not 1854. Does anyone have a list of ship passenger arrivals for that day? I also need an obituary for Robert Sinclair Miller. He died in 1875 in San Francisco, but I don't know what day. Is there an index out there somewhere? I'm posting this both to the NORCAL and San Francisco lists. Thanks so much for any help and information! Cindy in NC cwalker@camcomp.com

Hi Cindy, This may or may not help. 1860 census index: MILLER, R.S. San Francisco County, 6th Dist, Page #81 MILLER, G. San Francisco County, 6th Dist, Page #63 (No Caroline) 1870 census index: MILLER, R.S., San Francisco County, 12W SF Pct 2, Page #39 MILLER, Georg S. San Francisco County, 8W SF Pct 1, Page #79 MILLER, Caroline, San Francisco County, 10W SF Pct 3, Page #00 This is the only names that were close in SF County, CA. There were many more listed throughout California. Hope this helps. Mike O'Brien obrienm@netwiz.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia A. Walker" <cwalker@camcomp.com> To: <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 1:06 PM Subject: [CASANFRA] 1860 S.F. Census Lookup/1856 Passenger Arrivals/1875 Obituary > Does someone have access to a census index for San Francisco for 1860? It > doesn't seem to be on Ancestry or I'm looking in the wrong place. I'm > looking for: > > Father: Robert Sinclair Miller, b 1816 > Son: George Sinclair Miller, b 1840 > > George's mother, Margaret ?, died soon after George was born and he was > raised by his grandmother. The only grandmother I have a name for is > Caroline Mathilda Miller. Check on the index for her too please. > > Family story says that George arrived in San Francisco on the day that "the > vigilantes hung Charles Cora and a man named Casey in the year of 1854". > I've done some checking and they were hanged on 22 May 1856, not 1854. Does > anyone have a list of ship passenger arrivals for that day? > > I also need an obituary for Robert Sinclair Miller. He died in 1875 in San > Francisco, but I don't know what day. Is there an index out there > somewhere? > > I'm posting this both to the NORCAL and San Francisco lists. Thanks so much > for any help and information! > > Cindy in NC > cwalker@camcomp.com >

Could someone who has access to a 1880 census index for San Francisco please look and see if there is a listing for Patrick HALEY, his wife, Mary Ellen (HANNAN) HALEY and their children, Mary E., May 1870, Henry, July 1875, Anna, Aug. 1880. Son James is born Dec. 1881. Haleys were born in Ireland, children all born in SF. Family may have lived near the City, if not in it. Thanks so much for the help. Julie Collins

Hello, Having performed an in-depth property title tracking, including deeds and other official instruments dating to early 1849, I would have to say that Debi's article is merely a combination of previously published sources. She did not do original research for the article, or attempt to verify any of the previously published "facts." The information that a Mr. Morgan* originated the place just simply cannot be verified. To the contrary, the earliest owner of the Mormon Tavern identified in our research was that of Asahel Lathrop and his wife in late 1849 and early 1850. Early death notes found in a published diary or journal speaks about the Mormon Tavern and two men who died during the Cholera Epidemic of the Fall of 1850. * We may have a lead to identifying a Mr. Morgan, but have not gotten around to researching that further. If we can at least provide a given name and history to this so-far fictitious person, we will be most pleased! According to all other published accounts regarding the Clarksville area, the town of Clarksville was purportedly named after two brothers named Clark. We believe we may have identified at least one of them, Luther Brown Clark, as his obituary notice states the town was named after him. Why that would be when we find no record of his ever having owned any real property there, is a total mystery to us! Nonetheless, another man, Harry Clark, may have been Luther Clark's brother. We believe that fills in some gaps, but it does not act as a final verification. The best previously published source we have found, in terms of in-depth identification of the Mormons living in this county, is J. Kenneth Davies' Mormon Gold. Norma Rickett's book on the Mormon Battalion also attempted to identify which of the Battalion boys spent time in El Dorado County. Through our research we have tracked some of the Battalion men that the LDS church had been unable to locate any further information on. This research was done to prove the connection between the earliest "communities" (i.e., the roadhouses with their "hotels", taverns, stables, blacksmith shops, and stores) and the county's oldest cemeteries. The majority of the roadhouses became agricultural ranch properties, but the cemeteries are still there. We hope to publish our research in the not too distant future. Sue Silver El Dorado County Pioneer Cemeteries Commission ssilver1951@jps.net P.S. Other counties should also review their early roadhouse properties as we believe the same theory that you have a cemetery associated with their establishment will prove out throughout California. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Emerson" <lindae@mlode.com> To: <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: [CASANFRA] Re: CASANFRA-D Digest V02 #93 (Mormon Tavern) > For a good history of Mormon Tavern (which was originally started by a Mr. Morgan) and other Mormons in the area, this website may be of assistance: > http://www.sierrafoothillmagazine.com/eldohist.html > > Linda > > >

Hi Julie, Here is a HALEY family that I found on the 1880 Census index - not quite right but lots of the names match what you sent - and many don't <g>. This is the only family that looked close to the information you gave. =================================== Census Place: Saucelito, Marin, California Source: FHL Film 1254068 National Archives Film T9-0068 Page 18C Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Morris HALEY Self M M W 40 IRE Occ: Laborer Fa: IRE Mo: IRE Mary HALEY Wife F M W 37 IRE Occ: Keeping House Fa: IRE Mo: IRE John HALEY Son M S W 17 MA Occ: Tending School Fa: IRE Mo: IRE Morris HALEY Son M S W 15 MA Occ: Tending School Fa: IRE Mo: IRE Ellen HALEY Dau F S W 8 CA Fa: IRE Mo: IRE Thomas HALEY Son M S W 6 CA Fa: IRE Mo: IRE William HALEY Son M S W 3 CA Fa: IRE Mo: IRE Henry P. HALEY Son M S W 1 CA Fa: IRE Mo: IRE ==================================== Maybe?!?!? Hope this helps, RUTH _________________________________ Ruth(Grady)Skewis-Sacramento, CA ruth4527@mindspring.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Fontanacol@aol.com [mailto:Fontanacol@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 9:23 AM > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CASANFRA] HALEY Family > > > Could someone who has access to a 1880 census index for San > Francisco please > look and see if there is a listing for Patrick HALEY, his wife, > Mary Ellen > (HANNAN) HALEY and their children, Mary E., May 1870, Henry, July 1875, > Anna, Aug. 1880. Son James is born Dec. 1881. Haleys were born in > Ireland, > children all born in > SF. Family may have lived near the City, if not in it. > Thanks so much for the help. Julie Collins >

Hello. I am new to this list and know that marriage records for 1904 were most probably lost in the 1906 fire. However, I hope that maybe someone can point me to a resource that may have survived. My grandparents, William K. Mordock and Sarah Estella Dunford were married in San Francisco in 1904/5. My grandfather's surname was often misspelled 'Murdock' - my grandmother may have dropped the 'Sarah' as she was known as Estelle. She was LDS - he was Episcopal. Is there any place that may have records which survived the fire? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated? Thank you. Maryann Swigart

Carolyn... I'll be going to the FHC in Sonora on Tuesday and will see if I can learn anything about your group. I know a few of the volunteers there and they LOVE to relate historical information. Linda Twain Harte, CA *** Hi Patty- Great timing of your message----I am in pursuit of some information on the Mormons who came to Mariposa County in 1848! Can you see if there is any mention of a group of Mormons coming to Mariposa County in 1848 ? -- Linda Emerson * RAOGK Volunteer - Tuolumne County, CA

For a good history of Mormon Tavern (which was originally started by a Mr. Morgan) and other Mormons in the area, this website may be of assistance: http://www.sierrafoothillmagazine.com/eldohist.html Linda