If anyone has an 1870 census index I would appreciated a lookup for Frank Lawrence. He was born in 1845 in Maine and both parents were born in Maine. Thank you. Nancy Loder

There are several John F. O'Brien's in the 1900 Census including several in California and even more John O'Brien's. Can you be more specific about the year of his birth and birthplaces of his parents that might help to pinpoint him. Nancy Loder ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike O'Brien" <obrienm@netwiz.net> To: <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: [CASANFRA] Census index lookups > Hi all, > > Although I have the 1860 and 1870 census indexes, I need help on the 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930 index. > I have: > 1860 - John F. (Francis) O'Brien listed as a child living at Ws Leroy PL nr Sac > 1870 - John F. O'Brien listed as a gas fitter at 10 Leroy Pl. > 1880 - John F. O'Brien listed as employee at Gas Works living at 10 Leroy Pl. > 1890 - census destroyed. > I have lost John in the city directories after 1886 but the rest of his family is listed. > John divorced in 1888. Last known address was 2 Waller in 1886. > It is believed John remarried and had several children. He was last known to live in Sonoma County in 1932 when his daughter from the second marriage placed him in the Napa State Hospital. He was a widower at the time and later died there in 1937. > I was wondering if anyone had a 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930 census index to see where John F. O'Brien might have been. He may be listed with his second wife and children. > Any help would be appreciated. > Mike O'Brien > obrienm@netwiz.net > >

Hi Nancy, Let's see if this helps. John F. was born in SF in 1856. Parents names were William and Catherine O'Brien, both native from County Limerick, Ireland. In 1900, John would have been 44 years old. The 1860 (6th District, 2nd June 1860) census says he was 5 years old (b. 1855). The 1880 (6th Ward) census says he was 25 years old (b. 1855). His death certificate in 1937 says date of birth 1856 age 81 years. No exact birth date available. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loder Family" <loderfam@mchsi.com> To: "Mike O'Brien" <obrienm@netwiz.net>; <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Census index lookups > There are several John F. O'Brien's in the 1900 Census including several in > California and even more John O'Brien's. Can you be more specific about the > year of his birth and birthplaces of his parents that might help to pinpoint > him. > Nancy Loder > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike O'Brien" <obrienm@netwiz.net> > To: <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 2:54 PM > Subject: [CASANFRA] Census index lookups > > > > Hi all, > > > > Although I have the 1860 and 1870 census indexes, I need help on the 1900, > 1910, 1920 and 1930 index. > > I have: > > 1860 - John F. (Francis) O'Brien listed as a child living at Ws Leroy PL > nr Sac > > 1870 - John F. O'Brien listed as a gas fitter at 10 Leroy Pl. > > 1880 - John F. O'Brien listed as employee at Gas Works living at 10 Leroy > Pl. > > 1890 - census destroyed. > > I have lost John in the city directories after 1886 but the rest of his > family is listed. > > John divorced in 1888. Last known address was 2 Waller in 1886. > > It is believed John remarried and had several children. He was last known > to live in Sonoma County in 1932 when his daughter from the second marriage > placed him in the Napa State Hospital. He was a widower at the time and > later died there in 1937. > > I was wondering if anyone had a 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930 census index to > see where John F. O'Brien might have been. He may be listed with his second > wife and children. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Mike O'Brien > > obrienm@netwiz.net > > > > >

Hi all, Although I have the 1860 and 1870 census indexes, I need help on the 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930 index. I have: 1860 - John F. (Francis) O'Brien listed as a child living at Ws Leroy PL nr Sac 1870 - John F. O'Brien listed as a gas fitter at 10 Leroy Pl. 1880 - John F. O'Brien listed as employee at Gas Works living at 10 Leroy Pl. 1890 - census destroyed. I have lost John in the city directories after 1886 but the rest of his family is listed. John divorced in 1888. Last known address was 2 Waller in 1886. It is believed John remarried and had several children. He was last known to live in Sonoma County in 1932 when his daughter from the second marriage placed him in the Napa State Hospital. He was a widower at the time and later died there in 1937. I was wondering if anyone had a 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930 census index to see where John F. O'Brien might have been. He may be listed with his second wife and children. Any help would be appreciated. Mike O'Brien obrienm@netwiz.net

Hi all from San Pedro Lady. I need help. My computer cannot look up images for 1930 because it is very slow motion. LDS of Santa Monica has not all 1930 census yet. I can wait if anyone cannot help me. That is ok. I am very curious about my great grandmother's residence and background for 1930. I have all addresses which she might lived with the family during that time in 1930. She died in Whittier and buried in San Luis Obispo. She used to live in El Segundo and visited often in Long Beach or Lomita or Orange County. I don't know which address she lived with. My mom told me that she lived with my grandfather Ira for one year in El Segundo. After that, she lived with Howell Family shorty before death in El Segundo. Actually, she was ill in hospital in Whittier. If anyone cannot help me, that is ok. I understand that 1930 census is new. I have everything ready for EDs list for Norwalk and Los Angeles. I have no idea if anyone can help me to look up for Jennie Escobar. She is the last line in my family to fill in. Ira is my grandfather. Henry, Antonio, Louis, and Katie are siblings of my grandfather Ira. The addresses are provided below. Monta and Katie Howell Jennie lived shortly with Katie before she died in 1933. 321 Virginia St. El Segundo, CA Henry and Jacques Escobar 904 Main St. El Segundo, CA Ira and Olga Escobar after 1941 Jennie lived with Ira for one year. Ira,Jr was born on July, 1930. 1210 E Sycamore El Segundo, CA Or (early 1935) 321 Loma Vista El Segundo, CA Or Maple St. El Segundo,CA Or 303 West Oak Ave El Segundo Early 1941 Antonio and Eva Escobar 672 Santiago Ave. Long Beach, CA Louis Albert and Vera Escobar 14623 Devlin Ave Norwalk,CA Hope it helps to anyone. With help is appreciatted. Thank you very much. Adrienne San Pedro,CAGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Doug, I could be off base here, but at first glance it looks like Gedlink is a genealogy version of Napster. I would be interested in any response you might get from someone who has tried it. Christine Elkins Doug Urbanus wrote: > > I receceived the solicitation below from gedlink.com A quick tour of the site says very little. Before the site can be explored genlink software must be downloaded. Does anyone have experience re > this site, a relevant comment? PS Apparently if you don't pay a fee, access volume is very restricted. However, you can't even signup unless the software is downloaded first. Perhaps at the end > of signup there is an option to pay a fee and the fee is stated. Who knows. > > Olivier Hergault wrote: > > > Hello Doug, > > > > I saw on an Internet Page that you're looking for information about surnames like LORIG and I'd like to take this opportunity to invite you to have a look at the GedLink Project. > > > > GedLink is a new project (started last May), whose aim is to connect people researching their family histories in a very simple and efficient way. > > > > Give GedLink a family name and instantly a world map appears, indicating the various locations around the world where someone has information about your name... > > > > Right now, more than 60,000 people in 62 countries are participating - sharing millions of names in a database you can search. > > Most of the current participants come from Canada, France, Germany and we would like to invite more people in the U.S.,U.K., Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere, to participate in this project. > > > > You can learn more about GedLink, why to participate and how to share your data at > > www.gedlink.com <http://www.gedlink.com> I'm sure you'll find it easy to use. > > > > Feel free to contact me, > > > > Olivier Hergault > > -GedLink Project- > > P.S. > > You may have seen information on becoming a paying member to support this project, > > but there is no obligation. GedLink is basically FREE OF CHARGE. > > GedLink is relatively new, so feel free to send us your comments and suggestions. We are constantly improving it !

Thanks, George and Bill, for the scoop on Salmi Morse. Since my request, my partner purchased a wonderful book, The Great Victorian Sacrilege - Preachers, Politics and The Passion, 1879-1884, by Alan Nielsen, which deals with Salmi Morse's Passion play. It is both a scholarly study and a ripping good read. For anyone interested in this truly bizarre character or interested in early San Francisco theater, I highly recommend this book. Subsequently, I have read some wild articles in the Argonaut and the SF Alta and Chronicle, as well as a 5-part bio of Salmi Moss that appeared in the Santa Cruz Riptide in 1950, as well as coverage in the NY Times of Morse's attempts to mount the play there. What few know about the man is that he was in San Francisco in 1848 and returned there several times before settling in the mid 1870s. In fact, when he claimed to be roaming the Holy Land gaining inspiration for his Passion play, he was actually at a ranch in Mendocino that was held by his wife and brother-in-law since the 1860s. When he claimed to be a hero in the Crimean War, he was actually in Constantinople working at a shop for his father-in-law. This guy could spin tales as wild as Emperor Norton. You probably wonder why all the interest in Salmi Morse. This is all peripheral research for the first rewrite of new book on the first successful American passion play (and America's first blockbuster) - Ben Hur. Again, thanks for all the help. Su

Kathy I check the San Francisco City Directories, for every five years from 1910 to 1946, and he was not listed. Could it of been that he was hotel manager in the Bay Area, not in the city of San Francisco? George --- Kathy918@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > I just received an obituary that states a relative, > John Fletcher HUNTER was > a Hotel Manager in San Francisco for many years. > He retired in 1947 and moved to San Diego. In 1904 > he was married in Camden > NJ and listed as living in Denver CO. > Does anyone have any City Directories that could > help pin down where John > worked and when he came to CA? > He married a Caroline in 1904 but his widow is > listed as Evelyn. > Thank you. > Kathy Karn > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

George can send messages, but if you try to write to him you get an error message from Yahoo that his email box is overflowing. Bill ps Maybe it has been cleared by now. George Rushton wrote: > > Su > > >From the Jan 29 and 30, 1964 Column by Millie Robbins, > in the San Francisco Chronicle, called Millie's > Column; > > He put on a Passion Play at the Maguire's Opera House > on Mission near Third, in March of 1879, using the > name of Sami Morse, but was really Sammy Moss. > Presumably born i England, went to Australia in 1850, > for their gold rush, build a hotel and prospered. He > was in San Francisco, about 1875, and he had money for > he did not have to work. > > Some of his stories, were of derring-do in the Crimean > War, decorated by the Sultan of Turkey, Hero in Haiti > or Santo Doming, where there was annually holiday, in > his name. > > The star of the play was James O'Neill, the father of > Eugene O'Neill. Lucky Baldwin, was the backer of the > play. It had 200 in the chorus along, more than 400 > men, women and children were the play itself, also a > flock of live sheep, when across the stage at one > time. > > It was a hit, but the clergymen of various > denomination called upon the city fathers, saying that > the play was profane and sacrilegious and demand > action. > > They got it for a law prohibiting the impersonation of > any scriptural character on any local stage was passed > and the show was closed after 18 performances. > > They tried one more performances, during easter week, > but the police after the last curtain, arrested all > the male actors, and took them to jail, Lucky Baldwin, > put up the bail, for them. > > So Mr. Morse, decided to try the play in New York > City, so he took his scenery and costumers to New > York. But the theater the were stored in burned to > the ground, he was not able to get any more backing > for the play. So he try to do a Western melodrama, he > had written, but it flopped. > > Later his body was found floating in the East River, > with 36 cents in his pockets. > > Also checked the City Directories, for 1875, 76-77 and > 77-78, only finding him in the last one, listed under > the name of Samuel Morse, living at 516 Van Ness, as a > capitalist. > > George > > > --- SU BUCHIGNANI <sujac@pipeline.com> wrote: > > > Could someone please check any or all of the San > > > Francisco City Directories > > > 1873-1878 for San Francisco's other nutcase, Salmi > > > Morse. Research is > > > showing that he was more bizarre than our more > > > well-known Emperor Norton. > > > > > > Thanks to all. > > > > > > p.s. His real name was either Samuel Moss or > > Solomon > > > Moses, depending upon > > > which source you can believe. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > > http://health.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com -- America Hurrah http://americahurrah.com

Su From the Jan 29 and 30, 1964 Column by Millie Robbins, in the San Francisco Chronicle, called Millie's Column; He put on a Passion Play at the Maguire's Opera House on Mission near Third, in March of 1879, using the name of Sami Morse, but was really Sammy Moss. Presumably born i England, went to Australia in 1850, for their gold rush, build a hotel and prospered. He was in San Francisco, about 1875, and he had money for he did not have to work. Some of his stories, were of derring-do in the Crimean War, decorated by the Sultan of Turkey, Hero in Haiti or Santo Doming, where there was annually holiday, in his name. The star of the play was James O'Neill, the father of Eugene O'Neill. Lucky Baldwin, was the backer of the play. It had 200 in the chorus along, more than 400 men, women and children were the play itself, also a flock of live sheep, when across the stage at one time. It was a hit, but the clergymen of various denomination called upon the city fathers, saying that the play was profane and sacrilegious and demand action. They got it for a law prohibiting the impersonation of any scriptural character on any local stage was passed and the show was closed after 18 performances. They tried one more performances, during easter week, but the police after the last curtain, arrested all the male actors, and took them to jail, Lucky Baldwin, put up the bail, for them. So Mr. Morse, decided to try the play in New York City, so he took his scenery and costumers to New York. But the theater the were stored in burned to the ground, he was not able to get any more backing for the play. So he try to do a Western melodrama, he had written, but it flopped. Later his body was found floating in the East River, with 36 cents in his pockets. Also checked the City Directories, for 1875, 76-77 and 77-78, only finding him in the last one, listed under the name of Samuel Morse, living at 516 Van Ness, as a capitalist. George > --- SU BUCHIGNANI <sujac@pipeline.com> wrote: > > Could someone please check any or all of the San > > Francisco City Directories > > 1873-1878 for San Francisco's other nutcase, Salmi > > Morse. Research is > > showing that he was more bizarre than our more > > well-known Emperor Norton. > > > > Thanks to all. > > > > p.s. His real name was either Samuel Moss or > Solomon > > Moses, depending upon > > which source you can believe. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

Now that the 1930 census is online at Ancestry, is it too much to hope that there might be a enumeration district map somewhere online? There are descriptions of the districts, but unless you really know where the streets are it's very difficult to find the right ones. Thanks! Cindy in NC cwalker@camcomp.com

You will find lots of really helpful sites on the San Francisco GenWeb site http://www.sfo.com/~timandpamwolf/1930ed.htm Check them ALL out!!! One is the URLs found on the SF GenWeb site is http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/census/ After entering the requested information you will get this notice: "San Francisco, California has been indexed by address. You can use microfilm series M1931 roll 2 to obtain the enumeration district for your particular address. You don't need to use this website to calculate enumeration districts in San Francisco." AND I just got this bit of wonderful news from someone who has done searching at NARA in Washington DC! "The M1931 is 7 rolls of film. San Francisco is in roll #2 and it makes all the difference in the world. IF you have the exact address, its a cake walk." So when someone finds out where we can see microfilm M1931 - Roll #2 locally - we will all be sitting pretty! Good luck!!! RUTH _________________________________ Ruth(Grady)Skewis-Sacramento, CA ruth4527@mindspring.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond [mailto:snik67@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 4:40 PM > To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] 1930 San Francisco Census > > > I've been using Yahoo maps to use their description to outline > the districts > I want. Some of the outlines are a little confusing, however I > did isolate > two districts I wanted to search. > > There were 50 images in one district and 45 in the other. I just start at > 1, look at the street addresses, jump to 10, look again, jump to 20, etc., > until I narrow down the area to search. > > Raymond > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynthia A. Walker" <cwalker@camcomp.com> > To: <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 4:31 PM > Subject: [CASANFRA] 1930 San Francisco Census > > > > Now that the 1930 census is online at Ancestry, is it too much to hope > that > > there might be a enumeration district map somewhere online? There are > > descriptions of the districts, but unless you really know where the > streets > > are it's very difficult to find the right ones. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Cindy in NC > > cwalker@camcomp.com > > > >

I've been using Yahoo maps to use their description to outline the districts I want. Some of the outlines are a little confusing, however I did isolate two districts I wanted to search. There were 50 images in one district and 45 in the other. I just start at 1, look at the street addresses, jump to 10, look again, jump to 20, etc., until I narrow down the area to search. Raymond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia A. Walker" <cwalker@camcomp.com> To: <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 4:31 PM Subject: [CASANFRA] 1930 San Francisco Census > Now that the 1930 census is online at Ancestry, is it too much to hope that > there might be a enumeration district map somewhere online? There are > descriptions of the districts, but unless you really know where the streets > are it's very difficult to find the right ones. > > Thanks! > > Cindy in NC > cwalker@camcomp.com >

I receceived the solicitation below from gedlink.com A quick tour of the site says very little. Before the site can be explored genlink software must be downloaded. Does anyone have experience re this site, a relevant comment? PS Apparently if you don't pay a fee, access volume is very restricted. However, you can't even signup unless the software is downloaded first. Perhaps at the end of signup there is an option to pay a fee and the fee is stated. Who knows. Olivier Hergault wrote: > Hello Doug, > > I saw on an Internet Page that you're looking for information about surnames like LORIG and I'd like to take this opportunity to invite you to have a look at the GedLink Project. > > GedLink is a new project (started last May), whose aim is to connect people researching their family histories in a very simple and efficient way. > > Give GedLink a family name and instantly a world map appears, indicating the various locations around the world where someone has information about your name... > > Right now, more than 60,000 people in 62 countries are participating - sharing millions of names in a database you can search. > Most of the current participants come from Canada, France, Germany and we would like to invite more people in the U.S.,U.K., Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere, to participate in this project. > > You can learn more about GedLink, why to participate and how to share your data at > www.gedlink.com <http://www.gedlink.com> I'm sure you'll find it easy to use. > > Feel free to contact me, > > Olivier Hergault > -GedLink Project- > P.S. > You may have seen information on becoming a paying member to support this project, > but there is no obligation. GedLink is basically FREE OF CHARGE. > GedLink is relatively new, so feel free to send us your comments and suggestions. We are constantly improving it !

Always a sell out and always a few splinters too. Not to mention the SF High School championship games and the Shriner's East-West game. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Roddy <bill@americahurrah.com> To: <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Re: St. Mary's > It provided one of the classic football games at Kezar Stadium in San > Francisco. > Always a sell out. > Bill > > Xfiremar@aol.com wrote: > > > > As a person that grew up in, then a small town at the South end of the Bay. > > I remember the great rivalry between St. Mary's and the University of Santa > > Clara. GO BRONCOS!!!!!!!!! > > > > Jim in OR > > -- > America Hurrah > http://americahurrah.com >

As a person that grew up in, then a small town at the South end of the Bay. I remember the great rivalry between St. Mary's and the University of Santa Clara. GO BRONCOS!!!!!!!!! Jim in OR

I think my great great grandparents lived at 927 Florida Street, SF around the 1890's. Is there a way for me to look this up? The last name would be either Kelley or Rodgers. Thanks, Chris Elkins

Hi there I am wondering if anyone knows if the HAROLD HOUGH who died in San Francisco directly below is the same HAROLD J. HOUGH who married ELLA MAE DAVIS (see descendant tree at the bottom of the email). Ella Mae Davis was my dad's sister and was Harold's second wife and she died while pregnant with twins in Seattle I believe. Thanks for reading this. Judy in Canada Harold HOUGH Birth Date: 29 Jun 1899 Death Date: Sep 1983 Social Security Number: 537-14-1842 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Washington Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 94134 Localities: San Francisco, San Francisco, California Descendants of Harold J. Hough 1 Harold J. Hough .. +Ella Mae Davis 1902 - 1933 b: April 01, 1902 m: 1926 in Vancouver, BC, Canada d: Aft. 1933

It provided one of the classic football games at Kezar Stadium in San Francisco. Always a sell out. Bill Xfiremar@aol.com wrote: > > As a person that grew up in, then a small town at the South end of the Bay. > I remember the great rivalry between St. Mary's and the University of Santa > Clara. GO BRONCOS!!!!!!!!! > > Jim in OR -- America Hurrah http://americahurrah.com

Hello, I hve an address of 2539 POLK St in San Francisco in 1915. I'd like to check the 1920 census to see if Margaret LAIRD, widow of Ralston is still living at that address. Can anyone help me with what ED# that would be so I can search? Thank you. Kathy Karn