Now I am told to be patient...the change evidently has not yet gone through. I am sorry for any confusion, but what would a day be without a computer glitch?????Hopefully liquidgravity will be turned on soon, but in the meantime,pagan will have to do. Judie

I obtained some catalogs from some private auctions. These sales are from a year ago. If genealogy doesn't run through your body, then you will not have any appreciation for this. My blood drained at the huge amount of documents, pictures and etc. that were listed. These are from private collections and went into private collections. 1837 26 letters and assorted papers from 1870'-80's for the Haywood family ND 1837 Bastard Bond from Washington Co., TN Deeds 1775 Judgment against Alexander McCulloch by Robert Alexander, Salisbury, NC 1842 Slave Time Receipt 1864 Colored Troops' Ordnance Fort Smith, AR 1837 Documents Removal of 582 Chickaw Indians This is from only a couple of pages, just another source to look for. Patti

Hi list, Around 1890-1895, there was an attorney by the name of Charles A Sumner, 326 Montgomery Street, San Francisco CA. Would there be a possibility that this law office would still be in existence today? I know, the name and address would probably be different, but would the office still be around? (Passed down through the years) If so, what are the chances that any files from the 1890's would still exist? Would the earthquake have destroyed any records? Thanx a bunch for your help, Cindy

Can anyone help me? What Church could this Rev. Frederick G.W. Fenn belong to? Where would you inquire to find out? Entry: Rev. Frederick G.W. Fenn Pastor 15th Av. [sic], M.E. Church. Rev. Frederick may have been a brother of my grgrandfather. Thanks for any suggestions. Joan --

Please be advised that I have changed my e-mail address from granny@pagan.org to granny@liquidgravity.org. This will be effective immediately. Looking forward to hearing from you. Judie

I this months list of book talks from Stacey's Books in San Francisco. One of them is on a book by Evan Schwartz titled "The Last Lone Inventor" it is the story of Philo T. Fransworth, who in 1927, in a garage laboratory on San Francisco's Green Street, crafted the first practical TV sen and electronic TV camera. The talk will be at the Philo TV studio, located at 200 Green Street, on Thursday, June 6th at 6:00 pm. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

David, I saw the reference to Mark Leavenworth being San Jose's mayor and thought I'd contribute the info I had. He is the only Leavenworth listed in the book, and as you can see he only had two brief paragraphs. It is taken from Clyde Arbuckle's 'History of San Jose'. On page 38: "Other projects followed in quick succession, matching the townspeople's increasing civic pride. Quinby's momentum had continued into the administration of Mark Leavenworth, who took over as mayor on April 20, 1868. Leavenworth did not inherit the stupefying handicap of perennial debt that had plagued his predecessors in office. If anything, he had a comparatively easy time. Yet, he served only one term, and turned the office over to Adolph Pfister on April 18, 1870." I'm also posting to NORCAL and the Santa Clara mailing list for the archives. Carol Native CA in TX Admin. of Callisch and Henrioulle Message Boards Searching for: Callisch, Fiske, Leon, Henrioulle, Colby, Crocker, Sayler, Penney, Taylor X-Message: #1 Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:48:47 -0400 From: "David E. Cann" <decann@infi.net> Subject: Fwd: RE: [CASANFRA] Joseph F. Schottler (1846-1914) I was not aware of that, but it would make sense because Joseph's wife was descended from the Leavenworth line. If you do find anything further about them, I would be very grateful to you. I thank you for your efforts. David *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 05/27/2002, at 5:35 PM, Su Buchignani <sujac@pipeline.com> wrote: I believe Mark Leavenworth was San Jose's mayor ca. 1870. He remained an active judge beyond this and assisted in a Leavenworth family genealogy written in 1873. I think that you may find this old genealogy available on the Internet. Let me take some time to look through my records.

Could someone please look up the death certificate for Sarah LAFEE. I am hoping for a maiden name and her parents names. Sarah LAFEE (widow of Jacob LAFEE) died 29 Jan 1902 San Francisco Source: Mortuary record of the City and County of San Francisco, Book Q #5473 Thank you for your help. Barbara Seager Corona, California

David First he can not be in two places, for Mt. View and the Oakland Crematorium, are two different places. They with the California Crematorium, were all with about two blocks, at one time. The California Crematorium, was owned by the people who had the Chapel of Memories, in Oakland, which is now owned by the company that owns the Chapel of the Chimes, which had the Oakland Crematorium. While Mt. View has there own Crematorium. Now as to getting some information on him, he could be listed in the (CA)lifornia (I)nformation (F)ile, also that might be something in is Obit, on his run for Mayor. Hope this gives you some more help. George > > He died, possibly of TB, on 25 Feb 1914 in Redwood > City, San Mateo County, > California. He was cremated in Oakland, Alameda > County, California. He > was cremated, but his ashes were never claimed by > the family. At last > report, they were still stored in the "urn room" at > Mountain View Cemetery > and Oakland Crematorium. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

Hi all, Could some kind soul do an obituary lookup on my grandfather please. John Francis O'Brien (date of death, 19 Dec 1937)(born 1856, SF) John died at the Napa State Hospital. Funeral was held in Alameda by my father and John is buried at Holy Cross with his brother and two sisters. Other family may have lived in SF and written an obituary. Thanks, Mike O'Brien obrienm@netwiz.net

Hi Muriel, Thank you very much for the information you sent. Knowing Arthur's date and place of death is certainly the next step on my search for JH Church's descendants. I really appreciate your trouble because there is no way I could get this information from here. Kathleen Crain Vancouver,BC,Canada ------------------------------------ Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! http://www.eboom.com/free/

I was not aware of that, but it would make sense because Joseph's wife was descended from the Leavenworth line. If you do find anything further about them, I would be very grateful to you. I thank you for your efforts. David *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 05/27/2002, at 5:35 PM, Su Buchignani <sujac@pipeline.com> wrote: > >I believe Mark Leavenworth was San Jose's mayor ca. 1870. He remained an >active judge beyond this and assisted in a Leavenworth family genealogy >written in 1873. I think that you may find this old genealogy available on >the Internet. > >Let me take some time to look through my records. > > > > > > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE ***********

Hi George, I have tracked down my John Henry Church to a divorce from Laura S. Church in the 1880's in Oakland. Laura died in 1884. I am interested in tracing their children Arthur and Thomas and their descendants .-The last I have on Thomas is the 1900 census when he was living with his father on Jessie Street in San FRancisco and was a hotel clerk. Could you or anyone advise me- on how to follow up on finding Thomas and Arthur and their descendents. Kathleen Crain Vancouver,BC,Canada.---------------------------------- Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! http://www.eboom.com/free/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Rushton" <g_r_rushton@yahoo.com> To: "Ross Crain" <rosscrain@shaw.ca> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] John Henry Church > Kathleen > > I can check both the San Francisco and the Oakland > City Directories, and see what there is on him. The > reason for Oakland, Fruitvale, was a separate town, > for some time, but is know part of Oakland. > > George > --- Ross Crain <rosscrain@shaw.ca> wrote: > > Can anyone tell me anything about John Henry Church > > who was a capitalist with an office in San Francisco > > in 1889. He lived in Fruitvale in Almeda county and > > had a son named Alford. > > Hope this rings a bell with someone. > > Kathleen Crain > > Vancouver,BC,Canada > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone > > in the World! > > http://www.eboom.com/free/ > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Sandy, The addresses I asked about in Berkeley and Piedmont are all safe. I figured they probably were, but like you I have had experiences in areas that were not safe and thought it would be best to ask. I have heard others warn about cemeteries also. I always lock my car when I get out. Better safe than sorry! Cindy > > Can you share the responses that you got on which areas are safe > in CA. Thanks Sandy

In the spirit of Memorial Day, I thought I would post these links to the history of the 30th Photo Recon who served in France, Belgium and Germany in WW II. Many of these men were from Northern California. My Uncle, Sgt. Albert Sperisen was a member of the group, and was responsible for the production of the report shown in the second link. Uncle Albert Sperisen lived his entire life, except for his military duty, in San Francisco, and died in May of 1999, nearly 91 years old. He was my mother's twin brother. (My mother died two months later in July of 1999, two weeks short of her 91st birthday.) To find the lists of men, click on "Reports" in the drop down menu. Some are still in progress. (Some may not load well in Netscape.) Good links to other WW II and Military History sites. http://w3.one.net/~cabalcom/30thPRS/30thprs-home.html Link to the report my Uncle worked on. Scroll to the end to get links to photos. There are also links in the text to photos of some of the personnel. http://home.earthlink.net/~donbarnum/ Check it out. "rwalker"

What is your source of the information??? Our information says Redwood City, and that is where the family was living at the time. If what you say is true, that would appear to explain why he was cremated in Oakland. David *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 05/26/2002, at 9:35 PM, Muriel wrote: >BTW, Joseph died in Alameda County (60) >-- >Note change of email address: mailto:murcal@express56.com

I am a new subscriber, and as my first posting, I would like to see if anyone out there can help me with one of my "family mysteries." One of the mysteries is why we can find so little information on him, because we are told (unsubstantiated) that he ran for Mayor of San Francisco at one point, and nearly won the election. If that is true, and I don't know that it is, then why is it so hard to find any records on him? I suppose the '06 earthquake could be one reason, but even considering that, it seems very strange. Here is what I have been able to find on him: Joseph Francis Schottler was born in 1846 in Baltimore, Maryland. Also have a conflicting year of birth as 1847, but no date. He was a Butcher between 1870 and 1875 in San Francisco, San Francisco County, California. He was a Realtor between 1876 and 1888 in San Francisco, San Francisco County, California. He was a Clerk between 1877 and 1878 in San Francisco, San Francisco County, California. He was a Poultry Salesman between 1878 and 1879 in San Francisco, San Francisco County, California. He appeared on the census in 1880 in San Francisco, San Francisco County, California. He is shown in the Census as residing in the 2nd Ward. He was a Real Estate Agent in 1880 in San Francisco, San Francisco County, California. He was a Coal dealer in 1891 in San Francisco, San Francisco County, California. He was a Realtor in 1893 in San Francisco, San Francisco County, California. He was a Realtor in 1905 in San Rafael, Marin County, California. Although involved in other professions from time to time, he primarily worked in real estate much of the time, always returning to it after trying other things. He died, possibly of TB, on 25 Feb 1914 in Redwood City, San Mateo County, California. He was cremated in Oakland, Alameda County, California. He was cremated, but his ashes were never claimed by the family. At last report, they were still stored in the "urn room" at Mountain View Cemetery and Oakland Crematorium. This ads further mystery to this couple, as his wife Frances' life is also full of mystery, and it is almost as if she disappeared without a trace. He was married to Frances Matilda Roberts (daughter of Harrison Roberts and Lavinia Leavenworth) on 21 May 1871 in San Francisco, San Francisco County, California. Frances Matilda Roberts was born on 1 Dec 1850 in Fort Wayne, Allen County, Indiana. She was living after Feb 1851 in Massachusetts Flats, El Dorado County, California. She died on 11 Apr 1879 in San Francisco, San Francisco County, California. She was also known as Frankie. Joseph Francis Schottler and Frances Matilda Roberts had the following children: +2 i. Francis Harrison Schottler (born on 1 Feb 1872). Joseph Francis Schottler had the following children: 3 i. Schottler. +4 ii. Alfred Schottler (born in 1883). Frances, his first wife, was simply found dead in 1879 under unknown circumstances, and we can find nothing anywhere to indicate any reason. No cause of death, nothing whatever, other than further mystery. Joseph fathered two more children in the next very few years, but we do not know the mother's name, or whether or not he even remarried. All we do know is that the family apparently "disowned" him for unknown reasons, lending more mystery to his story, and that would appear to explain why, when he was cremated in 1914, his ashes went unclaimed by the family and to this day remain in a vault in Oakland. I am sure the 1906 earthquake has something to do with the lack of information on him, but surely there must be something somewhere to lend some clues to all of the mystery surrounding him. If anyone out there has any information on him, either of his two spouses, or any other information on them other than what is listed above, I would very much like to hear from you. David E. Cann decann@infi.net

Hi, Looking for information on my mother's cousins, Rita & Joe Gallagher. Rita was a nurse in San Francisco in 1960's, believed to have married Seamus Taull (Torl) from Dundalk, Eire. Joe was training to become a priest in the 1960's, also in San Francisco. Any news would be gratefully received. Best wishes Rose Mary (England, UK)

Please contact Walt at CoinsPlus@aol.com if you can help. Thank you! > I am back again, asking for help. Does anyone know the full name of > the person who use to be a columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle, > pen named Tips? He was apparently raised in Mariposa, moved to San > Francisco, and over the years kept track of and wrote about fellow > Mariposans. > Thanks > Walt > CoinsPlus@aol.com

Thanks so much to everyone who replied to my questions about safety in the neighborhoods of Berkeley and Piedmont. I was born and raised in California, so it's not a matter of watching too much TV or thinking all Californians are weird or dangerous. I have been in other areas of the country taking pictures of houses my ancestors lived in and sometimes I didn't get out of the car because I didn't feel safe in doing so. Maybe I'm being overcautious, but better to be safe than sorry. Thanks to all your replies I know that we will not need to be afraid to get out of the car this trip. By the way, I've been on many genealogy mailing lists, and the NORCAL AND CASANFRA lists are the two best! I have found more help from y'all (I've lived in the south for awhile now<g>) than anywhere else in the country (special thanks to Dee and Gary). Thanks again! Cindy Native Californian now living in NC