Forwarded with permission. If you can be of help to Dario, please reply to him directly: [email protected] Thanks. ==================================== Hello, I am Dario Sardelli. My english isn't so good, but I'll try to tell you the story of a grand-grandfather of me. His name was Vincenzo Sardelli and he left from San Vito dei Normanni in Italy to SF in the first years of 1900. He lived in SF until the great hearthquake. He was good looking and strong. Soon after the great disaster ha came back in his town in Italy and he never talked with his friend about his long journey in California. He fell in love with a pretty young girl in Italy, he made a lot of money working hard and made his girl pregnant. But he didn't want to marry with her. This was very "unconvenient" in Italy in 1915. So the mother of this girl told him "if you don' marry my daughter, I'll kill you with my naked hands and this big knife!". So they became husband and wife. When his wife was pregnant of the fourth baby, the baby died. His brother told him: "You've got three boys, anyway" and he answered "Oh, they are more than four..." My uncle went in SF two years ago and he found my grandgrandfather was married there in SF, but my uncle lives in England and I can't contact him. Will you help me to know if he was actually married there? I hope to have an answer from you soon. Thank you! Dario [email protected] =================

Doug No for the Coroner, would also file a D.C for that is one of their duties. George Doug Urbanus <[email protected]> wrote: I'm aware of vitalsearch and have mined these years. But unless I'm missing something these pre-1940 microfilms are also an alphabetical listing of death certificates. Julie's tip is that a coroner's report could possibly leave a person missing from these listings as well. mt view wrote: Doug Try this website for the date of death from July 1, 1905 on to Dec 31, 1939. http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/ca/_vitals/cadeathm.htm George Doug Urbanus wrote: Ron's tip for April goes into obtaining coronor's inquest reports from the SF library by giving "them the name and date-of-death (of the deceased)." But an interesting tip from Julia Christy from July 2004 indicated a coronor's inquest could cause a Death Index omission during the 1905-1915 period because no death certificate was issued. I have a few relatives that likely died during this time. So no date of death, no hint of the year beyond disappearing from the city directory. Does anyone know to what extent the library will look? Is there an index that's available for public use and viewing? Combining Ron's and Julia's tips suggest that death certificates may not have been issued for a very few up to somewhat less than two-thirds of deaths. ==== CASANFRA Mailing List ==== Need help with a lookup? sfgenealogy.com has many volunteers who offer free lookup help: http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/sfranlok.htm --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ==== CASANFRA Mailing List ==== San Francisco 1906 Earthquake Marriage Project! Were any of your ancestors married during or because of the 1906 disaster? If so, we want to hear from you! http://www.sfgenealogy.com/1906/ --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

My dad used to commute to work from The Ferry Building to Oakland/Emeryville starting in the 40's until the late fifties. Sandi Bohle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: [CASANFRA] Ferries >I was almost 20 and my friends and I used to take the ferries for >inexpensive entertainment on a sunny day from the late 40s until the mid >50s. We never got seasick though, although the water in the bay could be >choppy, especially if it was breezy. Great Memories! > > Pat > > > Pat > [email protected] > > When the San Franciscan gets to heaven, he looks around and says "It's > nice, but it isn't San Francisco" Herb Caen > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. > > > ==== CASANFRA Mailing List ==== > San Francisco 1906 Earthquake Marriage Project! > Were any of your ancestors married during or because of the 1906 disaster? > If so, we want to hear from you! > http://www.sfgenealogy.com/1906/ > >

I was almost 20 and my friends and I used to take the ferries for inexpensive entertainment on a sunny day from the late 40s until the mid 50s. We never got seasick though, although the water in the bay could be choppy, especially if it was breezy. Great Memories! Pat Pat [email protected] When the San Franciscan gets to heaven, he looks around and says "It's nice, but it isn't San Francisco" Herb Caen --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

I came to California in Oct. 1948 and took the train to Oakland and then the ferry to San Francisco. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Harvey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Ferries between East Bay and San Francisco, in 1950's > According to, "Southern Pacific in the Bay Area" by George H Drury, page > 47, says that Ferries between the Oakland Pier station [or Oakland Mole] > and the Ferry Building ended service 29July 1958. So, if Daniel was born > about 1951 [being 55yrs. old now] he might well have such memories. > Earl Harvey > ----- Original Message ---- > From: mt view <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 11:34:09 AM > Subject: [CASANFRA] Ferries between East Bay and San Francisco, in 1950's > > > I saw this article in today's (May 11, 2006) San Francisco Chronicle, > <http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/05/11/SPG22IPAD71.DTL&hw=barbary&sn=001&sc=1000> > > where Daniel Bacon, states that his love of San Francisco and it's > history started when he came from Oakland to San Francisco, on the > ferries, with his father. He is 55 years old as I am, and I was born and > grew up in Berkeley, I do not remember any ferries where people could ride > from the East Bay to San Francisco. The only one that I can barely > remember was the one from Richmond to San Rafael, I think. So what > ferries could he be talking about? > > > > George > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. > > > ==== CASANFRA Mailing List ==== > Bulletin Boards at sfgenealogy.com: > http://www.sfgenealogy.com/boards/ > > > ==== CASANFRA Mailing List ==== > San Francisco History at sfgenealogy.com: > http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/history/sindex.htm > >

I can remember riding the ferries between SF and Oakland as a child and getting very seasick. I'm not much older than Daniel......... Armendine Osthoff Berry > According to, "Southern Pacific in the Bay Area" by George H Drury, page 47, says that Ferries between the Oakland Pier station [or Oakland Mole] and the Ferry Building ended service 29July 1958. So, if Daniel was born about 1951 [being 55yrs. old now] he might well have such memories.

According to, "Southern Pacific in the Bay Area" by George H Drury, page 47, says that Ferries between the Oakland Pier station [or Oakland Mole] and the Ferry Building ended service 29July 1958. So, if Daniel was born about 1951 [being 55yrs. old now] he might well have such memories. Earl Harvey ----- Original Message ---- From: mt view <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 11:34:09 AM Subject: [CASANFRA] Ferries between East Bay and San Francisco, in 1950's I saw this article in today's (May 11, 2006) San Francisco Chronicle, <http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/05/11/SPG22IPAD71.DTL&hw=barbary&sn=001&sc=1000> where Daniel Bacon, states that his love of San Francisco and it's history started when he came from Oakland to San Francisco, on the ferries, with his father. He is 55 years old as I am, and I was born and grew up in Berkeley, I do not remember any ferries where people could ride from the East Bay to San Francisco. The only one that I can barely remember was the one from Richmond to San Rafael, I think. So what ferries could he be talking about? George --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. ==== CASANFRA Mailing List ==== Bulletin Boards at sfgenealogy.com: http://www.sfgenealogy.com/boards/

Doug, I'm not sure what the library's plans are at the moment for search requests. The last I heard they still hadn't unpacked the boxes due to a lack of shelf space (which they are working on). Also, they are planning to let the LDS microfilm these records. So, whether that will hamper access, I don't know. I think I mentioned before that they won't be available in any event until around this fall. But, you might want to speak with the head of the department, Susan Goldstein, to confirm or get more details. Ron >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:42:00 -0700 (PDT) >From: Doug Urbanus <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: San Francisco Medical Examiner (Coroner) requests > >Ron's tip for April goes into obtaining coronor's inquest reports from the SF library by giving "them the name and date-of-death (of the deceased)." But an interesting tip from Julia Christy from July 2004 indicated a coronor's inquest could cause a Death Index omission during the 1905-1915 period because no death certificate was issued. I have a few relatives that likely died during this time. So no date of death, no hint of the year beyond disappearing from the city directory. Does anyone know to what extent the library will look? Is there an index that's available for public use and viewing? Combining Ron's and Julia's tips suggest that death certificates may not have been issued for a very few up to somewhat less than two-thirds of deaths.

I'm aware of vitalsearch and have mined these years. But unless I'm missing something these pre-1940 microfilms are also an alphabetical listing of death certificates. Julie's tip is that a coroner's report could possibly leave a person missing from these listings as well. mt view <[email protected]> wrote: Doug Try this website for the date of death from July 1, 1905 on to Dec 31, 1939. http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/ca/_vitals/cadeathm.htm George Doug Urbanus <[email protected]> wrote: Ron's tip for April goes into obtaining coronor's inquest reports from the SF library by giving "them the name and date-of-death (of the deceased)." But an interesting tip from Julia Christy from July 2004 indicated a coronor's inquest could cause a Death Index omission during the 1905-1915 period because no death certificate was issued. I have a few relatives that likely died during this time. So no date of death, no hint of the year beyond disappearing from the city directory. Does anyone know to what extent the library will look? Is there an index that's available for public use and viewing? Combining Ron's and Julia's tips suggest that death certificates may not have been issued for a very few up to somewhat less than two-thirds of deaths. ==== CASANFRA Mailing List ==== Need help with a lookup? sfgenealogy.com has many volunteers who offer free lookup help: http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/sfranlok.htm --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

Doug Try this website for the date of death from July 1, 1905 on to Dec 31, 1939. http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/ca/_vitals/cadeathm.htm George Doug Urbanus <[email protected]> wrote: Ron's tip for April goes into obtaining coronor's inquest reports from the SF library by giving "them the name and date-of-death (of the deceased)." But an interesting tip from Julia Christy from July 2004 indicated a coronor's inquest could cause a Death Index omission during the 1905-1915 period because no death certificate was issued. I have a few relatives that likely died during this time. So no date of death, no hint of the year beyond disappearing from the city directory. Does anyone know to what extent the library will look? Is there an index that's available for public use and viewing? Combining Ron's and Julia's tips suggest that death certificates may not have been issued for a very few up to somewhat less than two-thirds of deaths. ==== CASANFRA Mailing List ==== Need help with a lookup? sfgenealogy.com has many volunteers who offer free lookup help: http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/sfranlok.htm --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

I saw this article in today's (May 11, 2006) San Francisco Chronicle, <http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/05/11/SPG22IPAD71.DTL&hw=barbary&sn=001&sc=1000> where Daniel Bacon, states that his love of San Francisco and it's history started when he came from Oakland to San Francisco, on the ferries, with his father. He is 55 years old as I am, and I was born and grew up in Berkeley, I do not remember any ferries where people could ride from the East Bay to San Francisco. The only one that I can barely remember was the one from Richmond to San Rafael, I think. So what ferries could he be talking about? George --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.

Ron's tip for April goes into obtaining coronor's inquest reports from the SF library by giving "them the name and date-of-death (of the deceased)." But an interesting tip from Julia Christy from July 2004 indicated a coronor's inquest could cause a Death Index omission during the 1905-1915 period because no death certificate was issued. I have a few relatives that likely died during this time. So no date of death, no hint of the year beyond disappearing from the city directory. Does anyone know to what extent the library will look? Is there an index that's available for public use and viewing? Combining Ron's and Julia's tips suggest that death certificates may not have been issued for a very few up to somewhat less than two-thirds of deaths.

Marcus I found her D.C., first name is Maria, born in the Azores, and in Oakland for 6 years, but do not think, she is their mother, for if so, she would of been married, and gave to Manuel, when is was 13 or very early 14 years old. Wondering if she was the step-mother of them? George [email protected] wrote: I am researching a possible ancestor who passed away in Oakland on August 9th, 1898. Her name was Mary or Maria Amaral (DOB 1881). At the time she lived at 705 Franklin St., Oakland. She was buried at St. Mary's Cemetery. I suspect that she is my gg grandmother. I have not made a solid match between her and my g grandfather, John Amaral (DOB 16FEB1896) or his brother Manuel Amaral (DOB NOV1894). They were both born in the Bay Area. John lived all his adult life in San Francisco. Their father and her possible husband was Manuel Amaral (DOB 1872). Is there any way to find out who was living at 705 Franklin St., Oakland, in August of 1898? I am still a novice at this research stuff. Thanks for any help and/or suggestions. Marcus Flansburg Logan, Utah ==== CASANFRA Mailing List ==== Free Online Databases at sfgenealogy.com: http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/sfdata.htm --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.

Hi everyone, I've created a new, free program that, I hope, makes it easier to search for individuals in various search engines (Google, MSN, etc.). This is an extension of what I did with our local search engine which I think works pretty well. If you are interested, please give it a try and let me know what you think. http://www.sfgenealogy.com/youfocus.php Thanks! Ron Filion sfgenealogy.com

Thanks, Ron - the SF Districts and Wards website at http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/elect.htm is just what I needed - both written descriptions and maps - and when combined with checking current addresses at a site like Mapquest.com, this is definitely have a winning combination! ~~K. Steward -----Original Message----- From: Ron Filion [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: May 8, 2006 11:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CASANFRA] Re: 1870 SF Census The census districts were based on the voting/election districts. For San Francisco, you will find written descriptions and maps for 1852, 1860, 1870 and 1880 at: <http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/elect.htm> Sidenote: we also, by permission of Edward Black, have his 1870 census transcription data included in our search index. >>Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 15:54:44 -0700 >>From: Monte LeBlanc <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: 1870 SF Census >> >>Would anyone know where I could find what area was covered in the 2nd Precinct, 12th Ward of the 1870 San Francisco Census. Any chance the 700 block of Church Street might be in this area >> >>Thanks in advance, Monte LeBlanc ==== CASANFRA Mailing List ==== Bulletin Boards at sfgenealogy.com: http://www.sfgenealogy.com/boards/

I am researching a possible ancestor who passed away in Oakland on August 9th, 1898. Her name was Mary or Maria Amaral (DOB 1881). At the time she lived at 705 Franklin St., Oakland. She was buried at St. Mary's Cemetery. I suspect that she is my gg grandmother. I have not made a solid match between her and my g grandfather, John Amaral (DOB 16FEB1896) or his brother Manuel Amaral (DOB NOV1894). They were both born in the Bay Area. John lived all his adult life in San Francisco. Their father and her possible husband was Manuel Amaral (DOB 1872). Is there any way to find out who was living at 705 Franklin St., Oakland, in August of 1898? I am still a novice at this research stuff. Thanks for any help and/or suggestions. Marcus Flansburg Logan, Utah

The census districts were based on the voting/election districts. For San Francisco, you will find written descriptions and maps for 1852, 1860, 1870 and 1880 at: <http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/elect.htm> Sidenote: we also, by permission of Edward Black, have his 1870 census transcription data included in our search index. >>Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 15:54:44 -0700 >>From: Monte LeBlanc <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: 1870 SF Census >> >>Would anyone know where I could find what area was covered in the 2nd Precinct, 12th Ward of the 1870 San Francisco Census. Any chance the 700 block of Church Street might be in this area >> >>Thanks in advance, Monte LeBlanc

E. Winding Yes, that can be done, but need the addresses, to check. George [email protected] wrote: Does anyone know what public schools would have been attended, if the street address is know-this would be before 1900, also after 1920? Thanks, E. Winding ==== CASANFRA Mailing List ==== sfgenealogy.com Your best resource for FREE online genealogy in San Francisco http://www.sfgenealogy.com --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.

Does anyone know what public schools would have been attended, if the street address is know-this would be before 1900, also after 1920? Thanks, E. Winding

Looking for information on merchant ships in port at the time of the 1906 earthquake. Are there any existing records and where would I find them? Thanks for any help. Jean Day [email protected]