We followed those bells for a great many years and then they disappeared. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mt view" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 12:56 PM Subject: [NORCAL] Saga of the Bells Comes Full Circle, also how a woman gotwhite lines painted on the roads. ; -) >From the L.A. Times of Aug 16, 2006 http://www.latimes.com/services/site/premium/access-registered.intercept Saga of the Bells Comes Full Circle At L.A.'s birthplace, where the first El Camino Real marker arose in a project led by women, another goes up 100 years later. By Bob Pool Times Staff Writer August 16, 2006 The ladies did the heavy lifting 100 years ago. So it was fitting that their descendants in the California Federation of Women's Clubs and the Native Daughters of the Golden West on Tuesday helped ring in the El Camino Real bell's second century. Members of the two groups helped state officials unveil a replica of the 85-pound cast-iron bell that pioneering women's organizations erected Aug. 15, 1906, in downtown Los Angeles as the state's first road marker. Eventually, 450 of the decorative bells lined the route of the state's first "highway," which began as a meandering dirt path linking the missions. Decades later, though, most of the bells had disappeared from the sides of "the King's Highway," as the route was known. Some were victims of road-widening projects, crashing cars and thieves. Others were simply replaced by the numbered signs that came to label state roadways. It was a sign of nostalgia 10 years ago when California Department of Transportation leaders began mapping plans to restore the vintage bell markers along the original El Camino Real route, which largely follows U.S. 101. Since then, the state has installed 555 new bells at about two-mile intervals along El Camino Real between San Diego and Sonoma, with women's clubs and other organizations placing hundreds more at other locations. Each has been cast from the original molds made 100 years ago by women's club member Mrs. Armitage C.E. Forbes, the mastermind of the civic coalition that created the original highway markers. A hands-on leader, Forbes herself poured molten metal into the bell-shaped forms in a corner of a foundry owned by her husband. She eventually created a business entity, California Bell Co., to manufacture them. Bearing the legend "El Camino Real" and the dates "1769 & 1906," each marker also had a small sign on its post showing the distance to the next town or mission. As women's club members installed the bells, the California State Automobile Assn. and the Automobile Club of Southern California took over their maintenance. The state's Division of Highways assumed responsibility in 1933. It's not surprising that Forbes and other women were highway pioneers, said Tammy Guensler, a resident of Carmichael, near Sacramento, who is president of the California Federation of Women's Clubs. "Men were starting to pay more attention and take women a little more seriously at that time. A hundred years ago is when women were having a little more freedom," Guensler said Tuesday. "Why do you think we have white lines down the middle of roads? It's because June McCarroll, a member of the Indio Women's Club, was run off the road by a truck in 1917," she said. "She started the campaign to get the lines painted on streets." El Camino Real historian Max Kurillo of El Cajon, near San Diego, said the two women's groups worked on the bells from 1906 to 1930. By the time Forbes died in 1951 at age 90, she had sold California Bell. The long-dormant firm was owned by retired La Cañada Flintridge businessman Joe Rice until 2000. That's when mortgage banker John Kolstad entered the picture. Growing up in Whittier, Kolstad had been fascinated by a rusty old El Camino Real bell at Whittier Boulevard and Colima Road. He decided to find one like it for the backyard of his home in the Bay Area community of Saratoga. When he tracked down Rice, the 84-year-old wouldn't sell him one of the spare bells that was crammed into his Oakwood Avenue garage along with the original foundry molds and boxes of historic photographs and documents. But Rice would sell him California Bell. "All I wanted was one bell. But I knew if I didn't pick up the torch, it would all be gone - these old patterns and forms and history would all end up in the junk yard," Kolstad told a crowd of about 100 at Tuesday's unveiling across from the Olvera Street plaza. With a nod to members of Guensler's group and Adeline Coronado's Native Daughters of the Golden West in the audience, Kolstad added: "People think the padres put these bells up. No, the ladies did it." The revived California Bell sells authentically cast copies of the original El Camino Real bell for about $2,000. They come with 6-pound clappers. To thwart vandals, those erected next to public roadways do not. So the ceremonial bell on Los Angeles Street stood silent as Diana McFarland, a member of the San Diego Mission Bells club, admired it with fellow bell collector Mary Anderson. McFarland owns 450 bells, Anderson 1,500. After the ceremony, fourth-grade teacher Dorothy Waite and principal Wendy Wardlow walked a short distance to La Placita Church on Main Street, to view the original 1906 El Camino Bell. It was restored and rededicated in 1998. Their Del Mar Heights Elementary School in Del Mar has one of Kolstad's bells. A parent bought it in June for the campus as a salute to the California history taught there and to its location near El Camino Real. Waite persuaded Caltrans officials to give her the one-of-a-kind El Camino Real bell logo that decorated the ceremony's speaker's lectern. It will be hung in the school's main office. To the relief of teachers and administrators alike, their school's El Camino Real bell doesn't have a clapper either. George --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. Visit: NORCAL LIBRARY http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/norcallib.html NORCAL Genealogy Index http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/NORCAL%20index/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From the L.A. Times of Aug 16, 2006 http://www.latimes.com/services/site/premium/access-registered.intercept Saga of the Bells Comes Full Circle At L.A.'s birthplace, where the first El Camino Real marker arose in a project led by women, another goes up 100 years later. By Bob Pool Times Staff Writer August 16, 2006 The ladies did the heavy lifting 100 years ago. So it was fitting that their descendants in the California Federation of Women's Clubs and the Native Daughters of the Golden West on Tuesday helped ring in the El Camino Real bell's second century. Members of the two groups helped state officials unveil a replica of the 85-pound cast-iron bell that pioneering women's organizations erected Aug. 15, 1906, in downtown Los Angeles as the state's first road marker. Eventually, 450 of the decorative bells lined the route of the state's first "highway," which began as a meandering dirt path linking the missions. Decades later, though, most of the bells had disappeared from the sides of "the King's Highway," as the route was known. Some were victims of road-widening projects, crashing cars and thieves. Others were simply replaced by the numbered signs that came to label state roadways. It was a sign of nostalgia 10 years ago when California Department of Transportation leaders began mapping plans to restore the vintage bell markers along the original El Camino Real route, which largely follows U.S. 101. Since then, the state has installed 555 new bells at about two-mile intervals along El Camino Real between San Diego and Sonoma, with women's clubs and other organizations placing hundreds more at other locations. Each has been cast from the original molds made 100 years ago by women's club member Mrs. Armitage C.E. Forbes, the mastermind of the civic coalition that created the original highway markers. A hands-on leader, Forbes herself poured molten metal into the bell-shaped forms in a corner of a foundry owned by her husband. She eventually created a business entity, California Bell Co., to manufacture them. Bearing the legend "El Camino Real" and the dates "1769 & 1906," each marker also had a small sign on its post showing the distance to the next town or mission. As women's club members installed the bells, the California State Automobile Assn. and the Automobile Club of Southern California took over their maintenance. The state's Division of Highways assumed responsibility in 1933. It's not surprising that Forbes and other women were highway pioneers, said Tammy Guensler, a resident of Carmichael, near Sacramento, who is president of the California Federation of Women's Clubs. "Men were starting to pay more attention and take women a little more seriously at that time. A hundred years ago is when women were having a little more freedom," Guensler said Tuesday. "Why do you think we have white lines down the middle of roads? It's because June McCarroll, a member of the Indio Women's Club, was run off the road by a truck in 1917," she said. "She started the campaign to get the lines painted on streets." El Camino Real historian Max Kurillo of El Cajon, near San Diego, said the two women's groups worked on the bells from 1906 to 1930. By the time Forbes died in 1951 at age 90, she had sold California Bell. The long-dormant firm was owned by retired La Cañada Flintridge businessman Joe Rice until 2000. That's when mortgage banker John Kolstad entered the picture. Growing up in Whittier, Kolstad had been fascinated by a rusty old El Camino Real bell at Whittier Boulevard and Colima Road. He decided to find one like it for the backyard of his home in the Bay Area community of Saratoga. When he tracked down Rice, the 84-year-old wouldn't sell him one of the spare bells that was crammed into his Oakwood Avenue garage along with the original foundry molds and boxes of historic photographs and documents. But Rice would sell him California Bell. "All I wanted was one bell. But I knew if I didn't pick up the torch, it would all be gone — these old patterns and forms and history would all end up in the junk yard," Kolstad told a crowd of about 100 at Tuesday's unveiling across from the Olvera Street plaza. With a nod to members of Guensler's group and Adeline Coronado's Native Daughters of the Golden West in the audience, Kolstad added: "People think the padres put these bells up. No, the ladies did it." The revived California Bell sells authentically cast copies of the original El Camino Real bell for about $2,000. They come with 6-pound clappers. To thwart vandals, those erected next to public roadways do not. So the ceremonial bell on Los Angeles Street stood silent as Diana McFarland, a member of the San Diego Mission Bells club, admired it with fellow bell collector Mary Anderson. McFarland owns 450 bells, Anderson 1,500. After the ceremony, fourth-grade teacher Dorothy Waite and principal Wendy Wardlow walked a short distance to La Placita Church on Main Street, to view the original 1906 El Camino Bell. It was restored and rededicated in 1998. Their Del Mar Heights Elementary School in Del Mar has one of Kolstad's bells. A parent bought it in June for the campus as a salute to the California history taught there and to its location near El Camino Real. Waite persuaded Caltrans officials to give her the one-of-a-kind El Camino Real bell logo that decorated the ceremony's speaker's lectern. It will be hung in the school's main office. To the relief of teachers and administrators alike, their school's El Camino Real bell doesn't have a clapper either. 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>From today's (Aug 18, 2006) San Francisco Chronicle http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/18/BAG5BKL3I01.DTL&hw=mission&sn=001&sc=1000 --------------------------------- SAN FRANCISCO Recalling the end of the Wild West 150 years ago, the 2nd Committee of Vigilance dissolved itself - Carl Nolte, Chronicle Staff Writer Friday, August 18, 2006 A small group of admirers of the past will gather at the Mission Dolores cemetery at about 9 this morning to commemorate the 150th anniversary of the end of the vigilante era in San Francisco. On this day in 1856, thousands of armed men paraded through the streets of San Francisco and then formally dissolved the second Committee of Vigilance. The vigilantes, mostly respectable business leaders and merchants, had taken the law into their own hands for nearly four months in San Francisco, hanging four men, including a city supervisor, and had been mixed up in the death of James "Yankee" Sullivan, one of the most famous bare-knuckle fighters of his day. They had also threatened a number of other San Franciscans and banished hundreds of other tough characters. They ran the city with an iron hand, much to the distress of Mayor James Van Ness and William T. Sherman, a militia officer who later became one of the most famous of Civil War generals. The final chapter of the vigilante era was the end of the wild West in San Francisco. Never again did the citizens of the city take the law into their own hands. "Although the entire idea of vigilante justice may be foreign to us today, it played a historic role in the American experience, especially in the West,'' said David Crosson, executive director of the California Historical Society. "This is a damned important thing,'' said Neil Malloch, a local historian who is organizing today's event, which includes a tour of three San Francisco sites central to the vigilante history. The tour starts at the graveyard at Mission Dolores -- the oldest building in the city -- which is really the end of the story. Here are the graves of Supervisor James Casey and Charles Cora, a gambler. Both men were hanged by the vigilantes. There is also the grave of James Sullivan, a boxer who died while in vigilante custody. "May God forgive my tormentors'' says the inscription on Casey's grave. "Died by the hands of the V.C. May 31, 1856,'' Sullivan's tombstone says. The vigilante era is so long ago, said Andrew Galvan, the curator of Mission Dolores, that most tourists think the "V.C." on Sullivan's tombstone refers to the Viet Cong. "These graves are pilgrim spots on the tourist track of San Francisco,'' Galvan said. The story began in the winter of 1855, when San Francisco was in the middle of a huge crime wave. That year, San Francisco had about 60,000 people -- and a murder rate that was about 10 times the modern rate. Nearly everyone carried guns; the city government was in the hands of a political machine, and thugs ruled the streets. "The city had been taken over by the no-gooders,'' said Gladys Hansen, a former city archivist whose Internet museum of San Francisco has a number of items on the vigilantes. "Something had to be done.'' In 1855, an editor with the curious name of James King of William started the Evening Bulletin, a small but important crusading newspaper. One of his targets was Casey, a supervisor who had been elected by stuffing the ballot box. King wrote that Casey, supposedly an honest citizen, was an ex-con who had served time in New York's infamous Sing Sing Prison. Casey took great offense, and shot King as he was leaving his office on Montgomery Street, near Washington Street. Ten thousand people, it was said, gathered on the streets awaiting word of King's condition. When he died a few days later, members of an earlier vigilante group, under the leadership of William Tell Coleman, a prominent businessman, met and decided to act. There were 3,500 members of the Committee of Vigilance, at first, each man sworn by an oath of fealty, each man given a number. Coleman was No. 1. They were armed and they had a cannon in case it was necessary to knock down the doors of the county jail on Broadway. Casey was held by Sheriff David Scannell, whom the vigilantes suspected of being a political ally. The crowd of vigilantes marched to the jail, and the sheriff turned Casey over to them. Later, the committee also took Charles Cora, a noted gambler who had shot a U.S. marshal for insulting his mistress. There was a short trial; the vigilantes were the judge and jury. Only two days after King died, and just as his funeral procession was getting under way, Casey and Cora were taken out of the vigilante headquarters at Sacramento Street near Davis Street and hanged. The headquarters was called Fort Gunnybags because it was ringed with a wall of sandbags and armed sentries to guard against attack. Sullivan, the boxer, also died in vigilante hands. Some said it was suicide, but the cause is still a mystery. The vigilantes, now 8,000 strong, took control of the city. That was frontier justice, part of the legend of the San Francisco. Books have been written about it. Galvan, the Mission Dolores curator, says that at least nine doctoral dissertations have been written about the vigilance committee. Coleman was hailed as a savior of San Francisco, the citizen leader they called "The Lion of the Vigilantes.'' He was presented with a ceremonial sword by grateful citizens, ran a successful shipping line, and developed borax mines in Death Valley. A mineral -- Colemanite -- is named for him. He became a respected citizen of Marin County and died, full of years and honors at the age of 69 in 1893. In later years, the vigilante movement has come under question from historians. "To my knowledge, the San Francisco experience is unique ... in the legitimacy given to vigilante law," Crosson said. Malloch, the organizer of today's event, goes further. "From today's perspective, the thing was outrageous,'' he said. "They bulldozed political rights.'' Though San Francisco's legal system in 1856 left much to be desired, he said, "They still had law here." The vigilantes had an effect. The crime rate dropped dramatically. The bad men, thoroughly intimidated, left town. "I remember the reign of terror under which we had so long been living,'' wrote William Orville Ayres 30 years later, "And I knew it was ended.'' The vigilante era had another side effect. Until 1856, San Francisco County extended down the Peninsula as far as the Santa Clara County line. But the uproar caused by the vigilante era convinced the more solid citizens of the Peninsula to leave the city to itself, and San Mateo County was created. The city and county of San Francisco got what remained, 49 square miles. After Mission Dolores, the tour will head at about 10 a.m. for the site of Fort Gunnybags, the vigilante headquarters at Sacramento Street near Davis Street, and then at about 11 a.m. to the site of the old County Jail on Broadway near Columbus Avenue. E-mail Carl Nolte at [email protected] Page B - 1 URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/08/18/BAG5BKL3I01.DTL George --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

Just a note about the Catholic Archives in Menlo Park. I e-mailed them last week asking about information on a ancestor who was a Priest in that area and is buried in Colma. I have a great deal of information on him, but was wanting a picture. They responded early this week with the answers that I needed. One other bit of information they are only open on Monday's and Wednesday's. I don't know how much research they will do, because I'm going to be in that area, they said that I was welcome to come and see their information. Pat

George, Here's a bit more info I received from the Wrindex website / group! Email Received: RE: Condon My dad sent me the following notes for you about the Hibernia Rifles. Re the query on the surname "Condon". Would only remind the researcher that the SOURCE column shows where she can read all about the reason for the entry. LED refers to the LEADER, which can be read in its original form at the United Irish Cultural Center in S.F. (415)661-2798 on Thu-Fri-Sat from 1:30 to 4:30pm. MON and MTR refer to the MONITOR which can be read in the Reading Room of the Archdiocesan Archives in the mezz. basement of St. Patrick's Seminary at 320 Middlefield Road, Menlo Park (650) 328-6502. By appointment. The Hibernian Rifles was one of dozens of Irish Nationalist private militias which kept organized to be ready if US ever went to war against Britain. These companies were at one time (Civil War era) brought into the State Militia (National Guard) when needed. They were all ready to kick the occupiers out of Ireland in the tradition of the great freedom fighters. She might find in "Irish Californians..." Chapter 16 some good background on this subject. It is available for inspection at UICC. It is still in print and published in San Francisco. Scottwall Associates, 95 Scott St. S.F. 94117. (415)861-1956. Note that there is a John Condon in the Index of that book. The Hibernian Rifles' doings in S.F. from 1870 on are in the Wrindex. Believe thay got a lot of Fenians when the Pope told the Fenians that they were in deep trouble if they continued as Fenians. It seems that Co. B started in or about 1907. Condons were Irish Nationalists in a big way. Well I guess I have some researching to do now! I just thought I'd post this for all the nice people who sent ideas to me. Thanks it's always GREAT to know this list is so VERY helpful!! The best list ever! Thanks, Cathie

Hi George, This is his obit and it doesn't mention anything. "CONDON--In the city, June 6 1940, Michael D. beloved husband of Katherine CONDON, loving father of Irving W. and Russell T. CONDON; a member of Widows and Orphans Aid Ass'n., S.F.F.D. Friends are invited to attend the funeral, Saturday at 10 am from McAvoy, O'Hara Co., Geary Blvd. at Ninth Ave. thence to St. Monica's Church, where a requiem high mass will be celebrated at 10:30 a.m. Interment Holy Cross Cemetery." Source: San Francisco Examiner, 7 June 1940. But it also may have been something he only did this for a short while. In the index it only lists him for about four years being on what looks like different social committees. Here's some samples I need to find out more about: (I'm listing just like the Wrindex) Condon, Michael 1914 LED JUN 6 HRCOB RECEPTION COM. Hibernia Rifles Co. B First Ball Organization @ Hibernia Hall Condon, Michael 1915 LED APR 3 HRCOB ARRANGEMENTS COM. Hibernia Rifles Co. B Social Organization for Hibernia Hall-Events Condon, Michael 1917 LED MAY 12 HRCOB PROGRAM COM. Hibernia Rifles Co. B Organization for Annual Picnic at Glen Park Condon, Michael 1917 LED JUN 16 HRCOB SOUVENIR COM. Hibernia Rifles Co. B Organization for Annual celebration at Glen Park I'm really not sure what to lookup or where? Cathie On Aug 16, 2006, at 3:57 PM, mt view wrote: > Cathie >   > I have a suggestion, have you got his funeral notice, for maybe it > would state that he was a member of the Hibernia's.  For I have seen > where will tell what part of a group he was in, and sometimes that the > other members were to meet at his funeral. >   > George > > The Schafers <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I was wondering if anyone had any insight on this club : Hibernia >> Rifles Co. B (1914-1918) >> >> I found it listed on the Wrindex Index and I'm trying to find out if >> this is my ggf listed with this club. >> >> Michael Condon >> >> Would this have been anything the Fire Dept would have been interested >> in? >> >> >> Also is someone working on a SFFD Project? >> I thought someone on this list was putting together more info on the >> SFFD. >> If so I'd love to write to you! >> >> Thanks, >> Cathie >> >> >> ==== CASANFRA Mailing List ==== >> sfgenealogy.com >> Your best resource for FREE online genealogy in San Francisco >> http://www.sfgenealogy.com >> > > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.

The mailing lists are being moved to a new server and while the transfer happens, some are duplicated, but it's the only way that none will be lost...it happened on the CADI mailing list with a couple of posts - it's just a matter of timing and how busy the list is as to how many end up being duplicated..... just delete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanine McNeill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Sheraton Palace Hotel >I have received this message 15 times! What is going on? Starting >yesterday every message comes in three copies. Then later it comes again, >three times. My other lists are ok. Jeanine > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Christine Sherratt <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:46:41 PM > Subject: [CASANFRA] Sheraton Palace Hotel > > > Did anyone ever go to the Theatre in the Round at the Sheraton Palace in > the 60s? > > Where was it? > > I saw great show there > > Thanks, > Christi > > > ==== CASANFRA Mailing List ==== > Need help with a lookup? > sfgenealogy.com has many volunteers who offer free lookup help: > http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/sfranlok.htm > > > ==== CASANFRA Mailing List ==== > Need help with a lookup? > sfgenealogy.com has many volunteers who offer free lookup help: > http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/sfranlok.htm >

Cathie I could not find them listed in the San Francisco City Directories for those years. Did find Michael D. Condon, a engineer for the San Francisco Fire Department, living with his wife, Catherine, at 367 Fair Oaks, in the 1915-16 issue. Was wondering if it was a drill team with the Hibernian Society? Could not find a web site for a San Francisco Hibernian Society, even with them it looks like being part of the St. Patrick Day Parade in San Francisco. You might to check with this group in Utah, http://www.irishutah.cc/ or try and see if you can find any of these groups on the web. http://gosanfrancisco.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=gosanfrancisco&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sfstpatricksdayparade.com%2F George The Schafers <[email protected]> wrote: Hello, I was wondering if anyone had any insight on this club : Hibernia Rifles Co. B (1914-1918) I found it listed on the Wrindex Index and I'm trying to find out if this is my ggf listed with this club. Michael Condon Would this have been anything the Fire Dept would have been interested in? Also is someone working on a SFFD Project? I thought someone on this list was putting together more info on the SFFD. If so I'd love to write to you! Thanks, Cathie ==== CASANFRA Mailing List ==== sfgenealogy.com Your best resource for FREE online genealogy in San Francisco http://www.sfgenealogy.com --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.

I have received this message 15 times! What is going on? Starting yesterday every message comes in three copies. Then later it comes again, three times. My other lists are ok. Jeanine ----- Original Message ---- From: Christine Sherratt <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:46:41 PM Subject: [CASANFRA] Sheraton Palace Hotel Did anyone ever go to the Theatre in the Round at the Sheraton Palace in the 60s? Where was it? I saw great show there Thanks, Christi ==== CASANFRA Mailing List ==== Need help with a lookup? sfgenealogy.com has many volunteers who offer free lookup help: http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/sfranlok.htm

Page 1493 1901 Crocker-Langley Directory Albert J. Richardson, driver, r. 440 Cortland Av Bridget M. Richardson, widow, r. 440 Cortland Av George T. Richardson (Richardson & Ryan) r. 440 Cortland Av Lawrence Richardson, water tender, r. 440 Cortland Av Walter J. Richardson, r. 440 Cortland Av Richardson & Ryan (George T. Richardson & Owen F. Ryan) butchers, 450 Cortland Av Owen F. Ryan (Richardson & Ryan) r. 440 Cortland ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:12 PM Subject: 1901 City Directory Colleen, Please let me know what the 1901 CD shows for the Richardson family at 440 Cortland Av. Thanks much, Gloria Lane

Did anyone ever go to the Theatre in the Round at the Sheraton Palace in the 60s? Where was it? I saw great show there Thanks, Christi

Did anyone ever go to the Theatre in the Round at the Sheraton Palace in the 60s? Where was it? I saw great show there Thanks, Christi

Hello, I was wondering if anyone had any insight on this club : Hibernia Rifles Co. B (1914-1918) I found it listed on the Wrindex Index and I'm trying to find out if this is my ggf listed with this club. Michael Condon Would this have been anything the Fire Dept would have been interested in? Also is someone working on a SFFD Project? I thought someone on this list was putting together more info on the SFFD. If so I'd love to write to you! Thanks, Cathie

I have a Thomas CONNORS, husband of Ellen REGAN CONNNORS, originally from NY, who died between May 1888 and September 1889 in San Francisco. Owned a bar or liquor store at 1506 Army St. Childrens' marriages include the following surnames: BUZACOTT, DALEY, DALY, MOCKEL, FLANNAGAN, MUNSON, SWEEENY and WALSH. He was a brother-in-law to MCSWEENEY, Timothy and Nora REGAN MCSWEENEY of Newhall St. I would welcome any ideas on how to pinpoint a date of death short of going through the paper page by page. Jim Faulkinbury's list and CA Genealogical Society lists do not cover this time period. Thank you, Pat Pat FLOOR: The place for storing your priceless genealogy records --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

Looking for an obituary for Mabel Violet HAMILTON who d 31 Dec 1996 Orange Co. Her b is given as 8 Nov 1914 IN. I think the HAMILTON's were living in the San Francisco area from the 1940's - 1970's. I believe her dau to be June ORTEGA (Mrs John J) and hope to learn where June was living at that time and if there were other survivors. June may be living or have lived in La Crescenta, Los Angeles Co. June is a distant cousin of mine and I am trying to contact her or other family members. Most grateful for any help. Janice

Hi Janice, Hope this helps. From CA birth index: LastName First Middle B_yr B_mo B_dy Mothers_Last_Name Sex County_of_Birth HAMILTON JUNE JUANITA 1948-10-19 PENLEY FEMALE SAN FRANCISCO CO. From Ca marriage index ORTEGA JOHN J age23 - HAMILTON JUNE J age21 1970-01-10 SAN MATEO CO. And USSearch shows the following JUNE J ORTEGA in LA CRESCENTA, Los Angeles Co., CA So you might check the phone directories, etc for John J Ortega or June J Ortega in that area. MeLani --Looking for missing PENLEY cousin, believed to be June HAMILTON --poss b 1948 who m 1970 John ORTEGA in San Mateo Co. --Her grandparents were Benjamin S and Alma PENLEY and I think --they died about 1962 and 1983 respectively. Her mother was living --in S San Francisco when June's great aunt, I J PENLEY, --died in 1971. -- --Most grateful for any help in finding June. -- --Janice

Looking for missing PENLEY cousin, believed to be June HAMILTON poss b 1948 who m 1970 John ORTEGA in San Mateo Co. Her grandparents were Benjamin S and Alma PENLEY and I think they died about 1962 and 1983 respectively. Her mother was living in S San Francisco when June's great aunt, I J PENLEY, died in 1971. Most grateful for any help in finding June. Janice

Hi list, I appreciate for those with no connections it will not be all that relevant but for those with British ancestry, the Yesterdays site contains thousands of names of folks many of whom were strays or strangers, away from their recognised abode or expected parish. The Settlement Certificates and particularly the Settlement Examinations give a good account of what can be found in Record Offices and if you have any such overseas connections with the UK they are well worth the effort in trying to see if such a document(s) survives for your ancestors, particularly if they have "moved". It may be they are even within this list, but if not, it still gives a good idea of what can be found in their respective parishes and County Record Offices. Bastardy records may name the father, Apprenticeships let you know who the young lads and lasses went to serve, some as young as seven years. There may be instances of Apprentices running away because of cruelty by the Master. Removal documents record those folks who fell on hard times and were removed back to their last legal Settlement. Thousands were moved all over the Country. mike http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

From today's Los Angeles Times (Aug 8, 2006). Looks like a interesting database. http://www.latimes.com/services/site/premium/access-registered.intercept From the Los Angeles Times Huntington Library Database Tells the Stories of 100,000 Mission Indians The computerized repository is available to the public. By Larry Gordon Times Staff Writer August 8, 2006 Reclaiming a neglected part of California's past, historians Monday unveiled an immense data bank that for the first time chronicles the lives and deaths of more than 100,000 Indians in the Spanish missions of the 18th and 19th centuries. In an eight-year effort, researchers at the Huntington Library in San Marino used handwritten records of baptisms, marriages and deaths at 21 Catholic missions and two other sites from between 1769 and 1850 and created a cross-referenced computerized repository that is now open to public access. The Early California Population Project, its creators hope, will help bring the state's Spanish colonial and Mexican eras from out of the long shadows cast by the 13 English colonies on the East Coast. "What we are trying to do here is to say these people have a history, and it's not a history that can be caricatured," said the project's general editor, historian Steven W. Hackel. "It's a history that emerges from a deep native past and a deep Spanish past and shows how the two came together for better or worse." Huntington officials say scholars and amateur genealogists will be able to track, among other things, how many descendants of a Miwok Indian survived into the era of U.S. statehood, how many people died in an earthquake or a measles epidemic, how frequent intermarriage was between Spanish soldiers and Indian women, or how many Indians worked in farming or became skilled artisans. The database does not offer judgments on the long debates about whether the Franciscans forced Indians into the missions and treated them brutally or whether Father Junipero Serra, founder of the California mission system, deserves to be, as he is now, just one step from sainthood in the Roman Catholic Church. However, it does document the Franciscans' obsessions with converting Indians to Catholicism and its bans on polygamy and illegitimacy. And, death by death, it shows an extraordinarily high mortality rate as Indians became exposed to European diseases such as measles, influenza and smallpox. "People who think the missions were places of cultural genocide and terrible population decline can look at this database, and they'll see that people came into the missions and died soon after," said Hackel, a history professor at Oregon State University. "People who want to see something else in the missions can look here too. It also shows tremendous Indian persistence and attempts to maintain their own communities within the missions." The public can gain access to the database through an Internet link at http://www.huntington.org . Conducting searches on the site can be complicated at first because of the many choices involved. The project, which cost $650,000, used records mainly taken from microfilm of the originals. They overwhelmingly concern Indians in the coastal regions from the San Diego to Marin County areas, perhaps as many as half of the Indians within the current state borders. Some Spanish soldiers and Mexican settlers are included through the turbulent times of Mexico's independence from Spain in 1821 and California U.S. statehood in 1850. There are some gaps in the documents as the missions declined, the Franciscans were stripped of their authority and Indians revolted. After the San Diego mission was burned down in an insurrection in 1775, the priests re-created the logs from memory, Hackel said. Still, the Franciscans remained good record-keepers. They assigned numbers to each baptism and carefully noted parents and godparents, village of origin, ethnic background and trades. As a result, many people can be traced with astonishing specifics through life and, with computer links, their progeny. For example, a 2-day-old Indian boy, given the name Francisco, was baptized Aug. 11, 1786, at Mission San Diego, the project shows. The information links to his marriage at 18 to a woman named Maria Loreta, also 18 (a spinster by that era's customs) and her death five years later with no children. Francisco married again the next year to Antonina, who died childless 10 months later. He married a third time, to Thomasa (she was 13 and he was 26) and had a baby girl, Ynes, who died at 6 months. Francisco died April 4, 1817, apparently held in high regard by the Franciscans because he was given a deathbed communion, not just an anointing. Thomasa married twice more and had 10 more children, two of whom are recorded as dying in infancy. The causes of deaths in that clan were not given, but other records reveal risks of Western life beyond disease. Some people died from bear and snake attacks and others drowned in wells. The 1812 San Juan Capistrano earthquake killed 39, all buried in the ruins of the mission church. "It tells us one heck of a lot about the people of California before 1850," said Robert C. Ritchie, the Huntington's director of research. "It has an enormous amount of detail that sits below the big story we know: the dying of so many native people along the coast." Although surveys of smaller groups of missions were done in the past, none pulled together populations from across what was known as Alta California, scholars say. Plus, no other project on this topic was designed for the average person, not just experts, to navigate. "The goal is democratic and open access to records that previously were, if not inaccessible, very, very hard to get," said Hackel, whose 2005 book, "Children of Coyote, Missionaries of Saint Francis," examined Indian-Spanish relations in that period. The raw records can be difficult to read, interpret and put into context, he added. The project involved eye-straining work that took the equivalent of between two and four full-time employees since 1999. Their job was to take hundreds of thousands of bits of information from the microfilm of sometimes damaged and illegible mission books and put them into easy-to-read computer formats. Anne Marie Reid, the inputting team leader, recalled feeling ill sometimes after long days staring at dark microfilm in Spanish and Latin and entering names and dates into computer logs. But she said she also gained a feeling of fellowship with the Indians and priests as she recognized their names in various references. "You come to know these people," she said recently in her small workroom with consoles and screens. In all, statistics were gleaned on an estimated 120,000 people, including some with incomplete records and some mentioned just once as a parent. Included are about 101,000 baptisms, 28,000 marriages and 71,000 burials at all 21 missions and from the Los Angeles Plaza Church and the Santa Barbara Presidio. Partly because of the size, the project experienced some delays this summer because of software glitches. The Huntington has a few original and very valuable mission records, including a page in Serra's very legible hand about three baptisms on Dec. 1, 1783, at Mission San Luis Obispo. Missions and other Catholic archives hold most of the surviving books but usually allow scholars to see only microfilm copies, some made 50 years ago. Among the institutions lending microfilm for the project were the Santa Barbara Mission Archive-Library, the archdioceses of San Francisco and Los Angeles, and Santa Clara University. John R. Johnson, curator of anthropology for the Santa Barbara Museum of Natural History, and Randall Milliken, a Davis-based anthropologist and mission expert, helped with planning. The largest financial support for the project came from the National Endowment for the Humanities ($294,000), the California State Library ($163,000) and the John Randolph Haynes and Dora Haynes Foundation ($110,000). The Dan Murphy Foundation and the Giles W. and Elise G. Mead Foundation were among other donors. Anthony Morales, tribal chair and chief of the Gabrieleno/Tongva Band of Mission Indians of San Gabriel, said he thought the project would "really catch the interest of all kinds of people like educators and researchers and just average folks who are interested in their families." Some people, he said, will search for evidence of brutality in the mission system such as forced conversions and labor, while others will look for a more positive picture, such as "what did happen after my great-great-grandmother got converted and baptized." Robert Senkewicz, a Santa Clara University historian who is an expert on early California, said the accessibility of the database is its "great virtue." "It will make genealogists feel like they died and went to heaven," he said. --------------------------------- George --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

I agree with the thoughts expressed here that the records in the SF Archdiocese Archives are in jeopardy. If lost, that would be a tremendous shame since so many records have already been lost from the earthquake and fire. I'm wondering if it would be possible to get the Mormons to make copies of the church sacramental records journals on microfilm. Once that was done the records would be available to everybody through the Family History Centers. I fear that if the project was undertaken by a local genealogical society then the only ones with access would be their members that could travel to San Francisco. I live in Pennsylvania so it is not an easy thing to research SF records unless they are online or available through FHC. Does anybody on this list have experience with getting records preserved by the Mormons? I am willing to make some inquiries to the Archdiocese and the Mormons to see if this can be accomplished. Also, it may come down to making donations to the Archdiocese and/or the Mormons to see that the project is undertaken. Please email me your thoughts and I will begin some inquiries in the next day or two. David -----Original Message----- From: Judie Cook [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 2:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Re: CASANFRA-D Digest V06 #151 You know, if enough of us who have Catholic ancestry sent them a donation, and said why we were sending it, ( to purchase cabinets, shelving, boxes, etc, for all of the old archieves) it might really help! The idea that the old records/.films, etc are not being properly cared for is so sad! All of that history is in jeopardy. Even better...if there were a "record keeper" on this list (all of the surrounding area lists)...and they could donate their time to getting order out of chaos....then our donations for containers, shelving could be the "life saving" event for the history! Just a thought. Looking up the address now and sending a check for $25.00.... Judie On Aug 7, 2006, at 2:46 PM, RUTH ARMSTRONG wrote: > I was there a couple of years ago. My thought was that they could > probably use a couple of > volunteers to take better care of their old records. I found that > some of their old microfilm > could use better boxes. Maybe a better microfilm reader altho the > reader was the least of > the need. The librarian was cordial but busy with other things in > a nearby room. He was > helpful. Maybe they need more cabinets to store things. These > records and films are > valuable. The other alternative is to contact the church where the > event occurred > might have the original record. Then again, if the churches > merged, their archives > in Menlo Park would be the only resource for these records. > Perhaps a local > genealogical organization can offer a few volunteers and funds to > protect these > records. After my visit I received a letter asking for a > contribution. The librarian > would know of any current projects for care of records. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:13 AM > Subject: [CASANFRA] Re: CASANFRA-D Digest V06 #151 > > >> My experience at the archives in Menlo Park was surprising to me. >> I was left >> downstairs in a basement by myself with all of the records, >> microfilm & >> original records ( which were in real disarray) to spend as long >> as I liked. No >> one helped, but no one monitored me either. It really looked like >> they needed >> someone to come in and organize everything--there are subject >> listings on >> many of the catalog drawers (i.e. Baptisms--St. >> Mary's--1870-1890), but other >> materials are just set on the floor randomly. I think that writing >> for >> information would be pretty useless--you need to go in person and >> hope that someone >> will let you go down to look at them. I tried to get an >> appointment, but was >> not able to. Fortunately, as I said, they just let me work on my >> own & I was >> able to come up with the marriage record of my great grandparents >> at Old St. >> Mary's in 1869. Kathy >> >>