To all that replied: Thanks for the feedback. I find that saving the records and viewing them (if you have Windows XP like I do) is very convenient (the magnification aspect, wow!). Right now I'm not much studying San Francisco any longer as my research is about done I think. However, now I'm digging around in the deep south (and I mean deep - Arkansas, Missouri, Texas, Louisiana, etc.) and I have found tons of information that I am sure is mine. I'm sharing it with my foster aunt and she is highly intrigued, believe me (I'm intrigued too, but these aren't really my relations or are they?). Anyway, I'm on the expensive trial (about $350 a year plan) for now but finding very little in the world records. It seems that the other half of me goes back very far (beyond record keeping dates) in the USA and it is pretty interesting I'd say. However, my personal criticisms are that there are a lot of mistakes the transcriptions of these old records from way down south (but not everyone has people named Rutilla and Ceithe, Seethe, etc.) I realize. I'm still bugged by that guy that called me up (he was a native of Berkeley, gee what a coincidence). I think the regular version is enough for me but I really don't want to share it with others (especially info. related to my late mother who was adopted in 1925). Thanks to all for the feedback. It is all positive so that is a real plus. As for AOL, I'll hold my comments on that! Hint: *ack!!!!* Oh, btw, I have some interesting news. It seems that the sealed adoption records that were and still are stored in New Orleans for Louisiana are still very much intact and suffered no damage from Katrina (they went in and got those records ASAP luckily). I'm still hoping to find records from that source. As it now stands, I'm waiting for a call back on that one. :) Regards to all, Sue >From: "Helen O'Connor" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] ancestry.com feedback needed please >Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:58:43 -0600 > >Sue, >Here's my 2 cents about Ancestry: I live about 35 miles from Salt Lake >City and the Family History Library. (SF Bay Area native and resident >for 60 yrs) I thought there was no reason for me to sign up for >Ancestry since I could go to the Library any day! Wrong. It's so much >easier to do the census work at home. I don't use much of their other >offerings as I can never find what I'm looking for. The census sheets >on my computer are much easier and clearer than looking at the LDS films >that you used to have to look up in an index book, then get the film, >load it, find the city/township you are looking for. I do know that >the Fam Hist Lib has Ancestry on all their computers in the Library and >it is free to search for anyone wanting to use it. They did call me >when my renewal was up last month and I signed up again, just for the >use of the census. There was no pressure and I could have declined >their offer. I've been at genealogy for 30 years, so I've done most my >work, but I love finding way-out cousins and of course genealogy is >never ending! Go for it. >Helen O'Connor, Park City, UT > >Sue O'Donnell wrote: > > > Hello SF list, > > > > I'm thinking of subscribing to ancestry.com. I assume that others on > > this list are subscribed to it as well. Does anyone have any thoughts > > and interactions with ancestry.com to share ? > > > > Someone called me the other day from ancestry.com and I think they had > > already looked at my file(s) I have stored on their site given what > > the person said to me. I have also noted that there are a lot of > > mistakes on the census records they have transcribed which makes them > > rather useless unless you actually pull the full record up and read > > the whole thing. > > > > Being a large portion of my tree is guess work, I don't care to make > > it public, that is for certain. How safe is my information? > > > > I'd appreciate any feedback before I make a commitments. I've heard > > in the past that getting rid of them one you have decided you've had > > enough of their service can be difficult (?). Is this still the case? > > > > Many thanks in advance, > > > > Sue > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Windows Live Spaces is here! 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I LOVE my subscription to ancestry.com. I appreciate the breadth of materials they have. I find the census transcriptions very accurate, and they give us the option to correct the transcription errors we find. In all my conversations with genealogy friends I've never heard anyone say it was hard to leave ancestry.com...hard to leave AOL, yes!

I found my great-grandparents (1893) on the Western Marriages site. I then wrote to the county recorder and requested what they had. They sent me a photocopy of the register it was entered in. In Latah County it cost me $2. I had sent a check for $15 (I figured that was an average amount that States charge) with the request which they sent back to me with the copy and a note to send $2. The site says it has marriages to 1930. I entered my name and it popped up with my first marriage in 1963. Lorraine Works Oregon ----- > Question: On the one I did retrieve...is there a way to get a copy of > the marriage cert, and if so, what's the process, if you know. > Gadzoooooks....I am really floored! > Judie

Sue, Here's my 2 cents about Ancestry: I live about 35 miles from Salt Lake City and the Family History Library. (SF Bay Area native and resident for 60 yrs) I thought there was no reason for me to sign up for Ancestry since I could go to the Library any day! Wrong. It's so much easier to do the census work at home. I don't use much of their other offerings as I can never find what I'm looking for. The census sheets on my computer are much easier and clearer than looking at the LDS films that you used to have to look up in an index book, then get the film, load it, find the city/township you are looking for. I do know that the Fam Hist Lib has Ancestry on all their computers in the Library and it is free to search for anyone wanting to use it. They did call me when my renewal was up last month and I signed up again, just for the use of the census. There was no pressure and I could have declined their offer. I've been at genealogy for 30 years, so I've done most my work, but I love finding way-out cousins and of course genealogy is never ending! Go for it. Helen O'Connor, Park City, UT Sue O'Donnell wrote: > Hello SF list, > > I'm thinking of subscribing to ancestry.com. I assume that others on > this list are subscribed to it as well. Does anyone have any thoughts > and interactions with ancestry.com to share ? > > Someone called me the other day from ancestry.com and I think they had > already looked at my file(s) I have stored on their site given what > the person said to me. I have also noted that there are a lot of > mistakes on the census records they have transcribed which makes them > rather useless unless you actually pull the full record up and read > the whole thing. > > Being a large portion of my tree is guess work, I don't care to make > it public, that is for certain. How safe is my information? > > I'd appreciate any feedback before I make a commitments. I've heard > in the past that getting rid of them one you have decided you've had > enough of their service can be difficult (?). Is this still the case? > > Many thanks in advance, > > Sue > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Spaces is here! It's easy to create your own personal Web > site. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >************************** >Visit SFGenealogy.com! >http://www.sfgenealogy.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Sue. I rely heavily on ancestry for both my personal and professional research. I don't pay much attention to the trees posted there by other users (because I can't depend on the information being accurate/documented), but I do use the source materials (censuses, historical newspapers, WWI draft cards, etc., etc.) all day long every working day of my life. I also subscribe to genealogy.com, and it is useless by comparison. As far as I'm concerned, ancestry is worth every penny. Having said that, it's also true that ancestry.com is currently overhauling their organization of data and I am NOT pleased with the changes in their search template. I hope that the change is temporary. I don't post any family tree information at ancestry.com. I maintain all of my own and my clients' records in Family Tree Maker databases on my own computer. I don't want to proliferate any of my unproven guesses. Occasionally I'll privatize one of my own files, generate a descendant report, and post the information at one of the message boards. Sue O'Donnell <[email protected]> wrote: Hello SF list, I'm thinking of subscribing to ancestry.com. I assume that others on this list are subscribed to it as well. Does anyone have any thoughts and interactions with ancestry.com to share ? Someone called me the other day from ancestry.com and I think they had already looked at my file(s) I have stored on their site given what the person said to me. I have also noted that there are a lot of mistakes on the census records they have transcribed which makes them rather useless unless you actually pull the full record up and read the whole thing. Being a large portion of my tree is guess work, I don't care to make it public, that is for certain. How safe is my information? I'd appreciate any feedback before I make a commitments. I've heard in the past that getting rid of them one you have decided you've had enough of their service can be difficult (?). Is this still the case? Many thanks in advance, Sue _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ========================== Mary Thiele Fobian Genealogical & Historical Research Pacific Grove, California

Thank you Mary, This really means a lot to me. I appreciate it very much. We went to high school together, always knew we were cousins but never how. I found out about two months ago and tried to reach her; but she had died six months earlier. Unfortunately, having lived in Sacramento for over 40 years, we did lose touch, so it would have been nice. Now I am trying to put the finishing touches on this part of the family. Thanks again. Pat Mary Thiele Fobian <[email protected]> wrote: Pat FLOOR: The place for storing your priceless genealogy records --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

Groom: ODONNELL JOHN J Bride: MARCHETTI ELAINE A Location of Application (County): 41 [San Mateo] Age of Groom: 30 Age of Bride: 23 Date of Marriage 7 02 55 Month/Year of Application 7 / 55 County: 90 [San Francisco] Local File Number: 3176 State File Number: 43245 Pat <[email protected]> wrote: My cousin Elaine Marchetti married John ODonnell in San Francisco in 1955. I had seen the entry on VitalSearch when it was free. Now that I need it, I find that it is only available on paid memberships. Could some kind person look this up for me please. I would be ever so grateful. Thank you, Pat Pat FLOOR: The place for storing your priceless genealogy records --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ========================== Mary Thiele Fobian Genealogical & Historical Research Pacific Grove, California

My cousin Elaine Marchetti married John ODonnell in San Francisco in 1955. I had seen the entry on VitalSearch when it was free. Now that I need it, I find that it is only available on paid memberships. Could some kind person look this up for me please. I would be ever so grateful. Thank you, Pat Pat FLOOR: The place for storing your priceless genealogy records --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.

Hello SF list, I'm thinking of subscribing to ancestry.com. I assume that others on this list are subscribed to it as well. Does anyone have any thoughts and interactions with ancestry.com to share ? Someone called me the other day from ancestry.com and I think they had already looked at my file(s) I have stored on their site given what the person said to me. I have also noted that there are a lot of mistakes on the census records they have transcribed which makes them rather useless unless you actually pull the full record up and read the whole thing. Being a large portion of my tree is guess work, I don't care to make it public, that is for certain. How safe is my information? I'd appreciate any feedback before I make a commitments. I've heard in the past that getting rid of them one you have decided you've had enough of their service can be difficult (?). Is this still the case? Many thanks in advance, Sue _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx

There was no Reuters, AP or UPI during this era. It's my understanding that newspapers were widely distributed. This is how news of one section of the country was disseminated to another section. I'm not aware whether or not there was any formal distribution network or method. The "Please Copy" was a standard way of alerting a paper that an item was of local interest. So when the item might be printed depended on several variables: how long it might take for a newspaper to reach Boston, whether it was noticed or not, and whether a Boston paper found it worthy of printing. The Schafers <[email protected]> wrote: Hello, I'm posting this to ask for some help or advise. When a paper such as the SF Examiner says [Boston Papers Please Copy] in 1880, how long does it take for the other papers to get the info? I have my ggm dying on April 9, 1880 and it had said [Boston Papers Please Copy] along with her obit. I had the Boston Library do the look up and they searched to April 20th. To me that doesn't seem long enough. If anyone has had any experience in this could you write me. I'm not sure how the newspapers got the message. Would it be via train? I'd love some feed back because this maybe my only link. Thanks, Cathie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, Portland, Oregon is quite nice, but it would have been better if it was located in the SF Bay Area. :-) http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2006/09/a_major_new_gen.html Ron

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I have seen Boston papers add more information about the surviving relatives living in Boston, so worth a tryt. Often it just an identical reprint.

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Regarding the link I sent earlier for Western State marriages database. The database has been online for at least a few years and they are adding to it constantly. As Pat said it covers only a small part of CA currently, but it does cover some states that have less available online, such as; Idaho, Nevada, Wyoming, etc. (The point of my email was that the continuously updated database is online for FREE, rather than anyone having to pay for the CD.) Donna, I have copied the database description straight from the web site for you... "Virtually all of the pre-1900 marriages are included in the index for Arizona, Idaho and Nevada. Many counties for those same states have been extracted into the 1930's and some, much later. A significant number of marriages from selected counties in California, western Colorado, Montana, Oregon, Utah, eastern Washington, and Wyoming are also included. For more details, see "List of Counties by State". As of September 2, 2006, this file contains over 407,230 marriage records with additional entries being added nearly every working day." Hope that helps explain the database. MeLani --Anyone know where this info is compiled from? It's a new --data base for me ........... --Donna ------- Original Message ----- --> I believe this is the same data available here for free --> Western States Marriages Search Form --> http://abish.byui.edu/specialCollections/westernStates/search.cfm --> MeLani --> -------Original Message----- --> --I know marriage lookups are not usually done on this site --but I just --> --saw a CD Data base online and it doesn't work on MACs --> --The Title is: --> --Marriages (Western) 1850-1951 --> --Arizona, California, Idaho, and Nevada, 1850-1951 Marriage Index

Great, thanks MeLani! I will add list to my list of "favorites" for research so I don't lose it. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "MeLani" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Marriages (Western) Data Description > Regarding the link I sent earlier for Western State marriages > database. The database has been online for at least a few years and > they are adding to it constantly. > As Pat said it covers only a small part of CA currently, but it does > cover some states that have less available online, such as; Idaho, > Nevada, Wyoming, etc. (The point of my email was that the continuously > updated database is online for FREE, rather than anyone having to pay > for the CD.) > Donna, I have copied the database description straight from the web > site for you... > "Virtually all of the pre-1900 marriages are included in the index for > Arizona, Idaho and Nevada. Many counties for those same states have been > extracted into the 1930's and some, much later. A significant number of > marriages from selected counties in California, western Colorado, > Montana, Oregon, Utah, eastern Washington, and Wyoming are also > included. For more details, see "List of Counties by State". As of > September 2, 2006, this file contains over 407,230 marriage records with > additional entries being added nearly every working day." > Hope that helps explain the database. > MeLani > > --Anyone know where this info is compiled from? It's a new > --data base for me ........... > --Donna > > ------- Original Message ----- > --> I believe this is the same data available here for free > --> Western States Marriages Search Form > --> http://abish.byui.edu/specialCollections/westernStates/search.cfm > --> MeLani > > > --> -------Original Message----- > --> --I know marriage lookups are not usually done on this site > --but I just > --> --saw a CD Data base online and it doesn't work on MACs > --> --The Title is: > --> --Marriages (Western) 1850-1951 > --> --Arizona, California, Idaho, and Nevada, 1850-1951 Marriage Index > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Cathie, The telegraph had connected east and west for nearly decades by the time your ggm died in 1880, and newspapers were primary users of the telegraph services. You can read more about this at http://www.nyu.edu/classes/stephens/Collier's%20page.htm . But my question is: If you locate the same item in the Boston paper, what will you know that you didn't already know from her obituary (which I assume was printed in California)? The Schafers <[email protected]> wrote: I have my ggm dying on April 9, 1880 and it had said [Boston Papers Please Copy] along with her obit. I had the Boston Library do the look up and they searched to April 20th. To me that doesn't seem long enough. If anyone has had any experience in this could you write me. I'm not sure how the newspapers got the message. Would it be via train? I'd love some feed back because this maybe my only link. ========================== Mary Thiele Fobian Genealogical & Historical Research Pacific Grove, California

Anyone know where this info is compiled from? It's a new data base for me so I put in about 4 names I know just to see what came up and I didn't get anything. Seems like their data base might be from very limited resources. Gotta say though, California is one of the easiest states to research in that I've found yet....so much available on line! Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "MeLani" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Marriages (Western) 1850-1951 Lookup > Hi > I believe this is the same data available here for free > Western States Marriages Search Form > http://abish.byui.edu/specialCollections/westernStates/search.cfm > > MeLani > > > > -------Original Message----- > --I know marriage lookups are not usually done on this site but I just > --saw a CD Data base online and it doesn't work on MACs > --I'm not sure it this info is any different than what's on > --Vital search > --or not. (I don't have the premium membership) > -- > --The Title is: > --Marriages (Western) 1850-1951 > --Arizona, California, Idaho, and Nevada, 1850-1951 Marriage Index > -- > --Which to me sounds like I should try and see if a few of my problem > --relatives are on here! > -- > --Albert Johnson m. Mary Matilda McLaughlin (late 1880-1881) > -- > --William E. Dean to Annie McLaughlin (1898-1900) > -- > --Milton Kraft to Olive McLaughlin (1900 approx.) > -- > --Unfortunately this is all on one family and three of their girls, of > --who I can't find. I tried all the Catholic Churches and NO > --has records. > --It's possible they were married at St. Patrick's were I think all > --records are gone. > -- > --Anyway if some has this disk I would love it they could lookup any or > --all of my names. If I had Dates I could really pin point my searches. > --Please note: I do have all the Censuses on these people and I > --have all > --there children I have also checked on SFCall database. > -- > --Thanks so much, > --Cathie > -- > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, I know marriage lookups are not usually done on this site but I just saw a CD Data base online and it doesn't work on MACs I'm not sure it this info is any different than what's on Vital search or not. (I don't have the premium membership) The Title is: Marriages (Western) 1850-1951 Arizona, California, Idaho, and Nevada, 1850-1951 Marriage Index Which to me sounds like I should try and see if a few of my problem relatives are on here! Albert Johnson m. Mary Matilda McLaughlin (late 1880-1881) William E. Dean to Annie McLaughlin (1898-1900) Milton Kraft to Olive McLaughlin (1900 approx.) Unfortunately this is all on one family and three of their girls, of who I can't find. I tried all the Catholic Churches and NO has records. It's possible they were married at St. Patrick's were I think all records are gone. Anyway if some has this disk I would love it they could lookup any or all of my names. If I had Dates I could really pin point my searches. Please note: I do have all the Censuses on these people and I have all there children I have also checked on SFCall database. Thanks so much, Cathie

Hello, I'm posting this to ask for some help or advise. When a paper such as the SF Examiner says [Boston Papers Please Copy] in 1880, how long does it take for the other papers to get the info? I have my ggm dying on April 9, 1880 and it had said [Boston Papers Please Copy] along with her obit. I had the Boston Library do the look up and they searched to April 20th. To me that doesn't seem long enough. If anyone has had any experience in this could you write me. I'm not sure how the newspapers got the message. Would it be via train? I'd love some feed back because this maybe my only link. Thanks, Cathie