Doc, have you checked genobit for possible index of his death notice? http://www.rootsweb.com/~obituary/ I tried but couldn't find anything. Represa (near Folsom), Sacramento County, California is located near Folsom prison. I could check the County records in Sacramento if you want. He might show up there. I receive about 200 emails a day. Without the prior email or copy of the message I have no clue as to what I am supposed to help you with. I hope you understand. Just send the message back with the original information and I will try to help as much as I can. mailto:[email protected] Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:17:14 -0600 From: Doc <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] CADI vs. SSDI To: [email protected] Hi Doug, I have been told my son died 9 Jun 2005, Represa, Sacramento Co. however, there is nothing in the CADI or SSDI of him. Donald Richard Young Jr. b. 26 Jul 1970 I do have his SS# if this would help. Any information advise is appreciated.....D.R. Young Sr.

The CA Room in the State Library in Sacramento has the books of the marriages that I believe cover the area of time you may be interested in. Not online and the people there will not look, only suggest researchers ... There may be other libraries that have the books, I don't know. Sandra in Sacramento Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:12:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Urbanus <[email protected]> Subject: [CASANFRA] VitalSearch Calif marriage index To: [email protected] I'm sure everyone noticed the "bride" portion went premium awhile back. Is it accessible anywhere else? Forgive me! those who think this is not worthy a worthy reason. I'm trying to trace girls from my highschool for our upcoming reunion. A married name would help.

I'm sure everyone noticed the "bride" portion went premium awhile back. Is it accessible anywhere else? Forgive me! those who think this is not worthy a worthy reason. I'm trying to trace girls from my highschool for our upcoming reunion. A married name would help.

Gee, my last name, Sturdevant, isn't even in the database. It said it doesn't rank high enough. lol Elaine "James R. Smith" <[email protected]> wrote: Just for grins - http://www.pbs.org/pov/pov2001/thesweetestsound/popularityindex.html I'm Number One, Jim -- James R. Smith Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks ISBN: 1884995446 www.HistorySmith.com ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From today's San Francisco Chronicle (09-15-2006) Not sure what we can do or who to write to but I do not like this. George SAN FRANCISCO Maritime Museum makes library appointment only - Carl Nolte, Chronicle Staff Writer Friday, September 15, 2006 The San Francisco Maritime Museum's library, which has the largest and best collection of materials on ships and the sea on the Pacific Coast, will be closed to the public, except by appointment only, effective Oct. 1. That means people will have to make an appointment to look through the library's huge collection of maritime lore -- including 32,000 books, a collection on whaling, volumes of sea chanties and more than 900 oral history interviews. In addition to cutting public access, the library's budget will be reduced by a third as part of a realignment at the San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park, which operates the city's maritime museum, a collection of historic ships and the library. Now the library, which has been open five days a week since it was founded 47 years ago, will rely less on face-to-face contact with library users and researchers and more on the Internet. The decision was made by Kate Richardson, superintendent of the maritime park, who said the changes were necessary for financial reasons and because of changing times. "Every library in the world is facing moving the library to the 21st century,'' she said. Using the Internet, she said, "is how people do research today.'' However, the cuts were met by shock and outrage from library users and researchers. "I think it's wrong,'' said Dennis Powers, who used the library for research on two books, including "Treasure Ship," a new book about the sinking of the steamer Brother Jonathan, which went down with 225 people and several million dollars worth of gold off the Northern California coast in 1865, in the worst maritime disaster in California history. He said the library staff were a major help with researching the book and helped him shape the book's direction and content. "The personnel here are the best of any library facility I've ever worked with,'' he said. "I've done research using the Web, and it's not as good. You lose something.'' Restricting public access so that it is only by appointment is a loss of public service, said John Kortum, a Contra Costa attorney who is the son of Karl Kortum, one of the founders of what later became the maritime national park. "It's like requiring an appointment to see the Old Faithful Geyser in Yellowstone.'' The official name of the institution, which is housed in Fort Mason, is the J. Porter Shaw Library. It boasts such diverse holdings as a collection on shipping during World War II, the records of American President Lines, 14,000 pictures of the San Francisco shipyards, and drawings of Pacific Coast ferries, lumber schooners and freighters -- all from the days when San Francisco was the leading port on the West Coast and was the center of extensive whaling and shipbuilding industries. It is the restricting of access to the salt-water history that bothers Gunnar Lundeberg, president of the Sailors' Union of the Pacific. Lundeberg wrote the park to say he was shocked and dismayed to hear about cutting public hours, a decision he called inappropriate and outrageous. "If the public cannot access a public institution -- at will -- how can the park fulfill its mission to preserve and interpret the history and achievements of seafaring Americans...?" he wrote. Richardson says the maritime national park is in a bind, because 88 percent of its $8.5 million annual budget goes for fixed costs like salaries, benefits and contracts. That number keeps increasing, while the budget stays flat, she says. To solve the problem, she convened senior managers in weeks of meetings over the summer. They came up with a business plan that re-evaluated all the services the park offers, from the visitor center to school programs. They found the library had a high staff ratio to the number of users. "We had only 1,500 physical visits a year'' to the library, she said. "We were using two full-time staff people to meet that need of only two or three visitors a day." Richardson decided to cut out the drop-in service, make the library by appointment only four afternoons a week, and emphasize making the collections available on the Internet. "Asking the public to make appointments to do research is not unreasonable,'' she said, "And we could give better service. "Every business has to make choices. Every dollar I have, I have to use to reach the most people that I can.'' E-mail Carl Nolte at [email protected] Page B - 7 URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/09/15/BAG75L6BJA1.DTL __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Doug, I have been told my son died 9 Jun 2005, Represa, Sacramento Co. however, there is nothing in the CADI or SSDI of him. Donald Richard Young Jr. b. 26 Jul 1970 I do have his SS# if this would help. Any information advise is appreciated.....D.R. Young Sr. Doug Urbanus wrote: >Technically speaking (having worked for Social Security) the SSDI county of record represents the last mailing address of the beneficiary under the "last benefit" column. A posting of both the "last residence" column + "last benefit" address occurs if the the mailing address differed from the residence address. The difference usually related to the use of a PO Box or possibly an "in care of" address. With the advent of direct deposit in 1974 the presumption that the town/county posted for either column is actually the town/county/state where the person died definitely cannot be made. Payments directed to a bank prior to direct deposit were by paper under a power of attorney arrangement -- a somewhat rare event. This would also explain different addresses under the 2 address columns. Of course, as Mary says, no one necessarily dies where they live or where their mail goes. > >Mary Thiele Fobian <[email protected]> wrote: The CADI tells you where the death took place. SSDI tells you only the most recent city they have on file for the individual. The death certificate will be in Alameda county; this doesn't necessarily mean that he lived in Alameda county at or prior to the time of his death. > > >Nancy Crowley wrote: >Is there anyone who can do an obituary lookup for me in the Contra Costa Times? I am looking for the obituary of Giles B. Kelly who was born in 1897 in Iowa and died on September 9, 1981 in either Contra Costa County or Alameda County. The SSDI says Contra Costa County, but the California Death Index says Alameda. Anyone have any insight into which one might be more accurate? Thank you. Nancy Crowley > >

Just for grins - http://www.pbs.org/pov/pov2001/thesweetestsound/popularityindex.html I'm Number One, Jim -- James R. Smith Author: San Francisco's Lost Landmarks ISBN: 1884995446 www.HistorySmith.com <http://www.historysmith.com/>

You got me on this one. I could speculate on the cause, but it would only underline the fact that the SSDI is not a definitive source for the "actual" place of death. [email protected] wrote: My father died in Manteca in California, just having moved days before from Ardmore, Oklahoma. I had body moved to Santa Cruz and on the SSDI,both last residence and last benefit were listed as Santa Cruz. He did put in mail forwarding to Manteca but not Santa Cruz and had not lived in Santa Cruz for 9 years. Suz In a message dated 9/14/2006 6:46:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Technically speaking (having worked for Social Security) the SSDI county of record represents the last mailing address of the beneficiary under the "last benefit" column. A posting of both the "last residence" column + "last benefit" address occurs if the the mailing address differed from the residence address. The difference usually related to the use of a PO Box or possibly an "in care of" address. With the advent of direct deposit in 1974 the presumption that the town/county posted for either column is actually the town/county/state where the person died definitely cannot be made. Payments directed to a bank prior to direct deposit were by paper under a power of attorney arrangement -- a somewhat rare event. This would also explain different addresses under the 2 address columns. Of course, as Mary says, no one necessarily dies where they live or where their mail goes. ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My father died in Manteca in California, just having moved days before from Ardmore, Oklahoma. I had body moved to Santa Cruz and on the SSDI,both last residence and last benefit were listed as Santa Cruz. He did put in mail forwarding to Manteca but not Santa Cruz and had not lived in Santa Cruz for 9 years. Suz In a message dated 9/14/2006 6:46:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Technically speaking (having worked for Social Security) the SSDI county of record represents the last mailing address of the beneficiary under the "last benefit" column. A posting of both the "last residence" column + "last benefit" address occurs if the the mailing address differed from the residence address. The difference usually related to the use of a PO Box or possibly an "in care of" address. With the advent of direct deposit in 1974 the presumption that the town/county posted for either column is actually the town/county/state where the person died definitely cannot be made. Payments directed to a bank prior to direct deposit were by paper under a power of attorney arrangement -- a somewhat rare event. This would also explain different addresses under the 2 address columns. Of course, as Mary says, no one necessarily dies where they live or where their mail goes.

Ron Filion suggested I might know what Jim Faulkinbury's plans were for extending the Call newspaper indexes. I had to ask Jim. He has finished but not posted 1900 and will keep going, but rather slowly since he has been too busy to work much at it. Meanwhile CGS did go ahead and index through 1905. They are offering this as part of their research service if requested while trying to figure out what the best plan is for adding this feature to their Web page (www.calgensoc.org). Nancy Peterson ____________________________________________________________________

Technically speaking (having worked for Social Security) the SSDI county of record represents the last mailing address of the beneficiary under the "last benefit" column. A posting of both the "last residence" column + "last benefit" address occurs if the the mailing address differed from the residence address. The difference usually related to the use of a PO Box or possibly an "in care of" address. With the advent of direct deposit in 1974 the presumption that the town/county posted for either column is actually the town/county/state where the person died definitely cannot be made. Payments directed to a bank prior to direct deposit were by paper under a power of attorney arrangement -- a somewhat rare event. This would also explain different addresses under the 2 address columns. Of course, as Mary says, no one necessarily dies where they live or where their mail goes. Mary Thiele Fobian <[email protected]> wrote: The CADI tells you where the death took place. SSDI tells you only the most recent city they have on file for the individual. The death certificate will be in Alameda county; this doesn't necessarily mean that he lived in Alameda county at or prior to the time of his death. Nancy Crowley wrote: Is there anyone who can do an obituary lookup for me in the Contra Costa Times? I am looking for the obituary of Giles B. Kelly who was born in 1897 in Iowa and died on September 9, 1981 in either Contra Costa County or Alameda County. The SSDI says Contra Costa County, but the California Death Index says Alameda. Anyone have any insight into which one might be more accurate? Thank you. Nancy Crowley --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ========================== Mary Thiele Fobian Genealogical & Historical Research Pacific Grove, California ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The CADI tells you where the death took place. SSDI tells you only the most recent city they have on file for the individual. The death certificate will be in Alameda county; this doesn't necessarily mean that he lived in Alameda county at or prior to the time of his death. Nancy Crowley <[email protected]> wrote: Is there anyone who can do an obituary lookup for me in the Contra Costa Times? I am looking for the obituary of Giles B. Kelly who was born in 1897 in Iowa and died on September 9, 1981 in either Contra Costa County or Alameda County. The SSDI says Contra Costa County, but the California Death Index says Alameda. Anyone have any insight into which one might be more accurate? Thank you. Nancy Crowley --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ========================== Mary Thiele Fobian Genealogical & Historical Research Pacific Grove, California

Is there anyone who can do an obituary lookup for me in the Contra Costa Times? I am looking for the obituary of Giles B. Kelly who was born in 1897 in Iowa and died on September 9, 1981 in either Contra Costa County or Alameda County. The SSDI says Contra Costa County, but the California Death Index says Alameda. Anyone have any insight into which one might be more accurate? Thank you. Nancy Crowley --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.

I found this in today's (09-14-2006) San Francisco Chronicle, there could be some people on this list that could help with this. An effort to keep memories alive ANGEL ISLAND: Future museum puts out the call for information about the West's second-largest immigrant group -- 60,000 Japanese - Charles Burress, Chronicle Staff Writer Thursday, September 14, 2006 It was America's Western welcome mat, to put a positive spin on it. The Angel Island Immigration Station is famous as the place where Chinese immigrants were processed, probed and often detained, sometimes for long periods. Many carved their frustration in poems still visible in the old barracks walls. But the story of the second-largest group to pass through Angel Island is hardly known. Hoping to fill a hole in history, organizers of the emerging museum and education complex on Angel Island want to shed light on the experiences of Japanese who got their first taste of America at the immigration station in San Francisco Bay. "All we really know is about the Chinese," said Judy Yung, a UC Santa Cruz professor emerita conducting research for the project. As plans and construction move forward on restoring the historic site, organizers have appealed to Japanese Americans for information about the Japanese experience. "Our hope is to recover some of the memories and stories from the descendants," said Yung, who is co-authoring a book on the immigration station with University of Minnesota Associate Professor Erika Lee. One of the most prized finds uncovered so far is a pocket-size, leather-bound register of "picture bride" marriages performed in San Francisco nearly 100 years ago. Found by retired Mill Valley dentist and UCSF Professor Don Nakahata in the effects of his late aunt, the ledger records about 600 weddings performed by Nakahata's grandfather, Barnabas Hisayoshi Terasawa. "My grandfather was one of the first indigenous Anglican priests of Japan," Nakahata said. "He came over as a missionary at the turn of the century." Yung is trying to match the register names with immigration records at the San Bruno branch of the National Archives, which house many records on immigrants to California. Like a small version of New York's Ellis Island, which processed about 12 million immigrants between 1892 and 1954, Angel Island served from 1910 to 1940 as the West Coast portal to the United States. The largest group to pass through consisted of an estimated 175,000 Chinese immigrants, followed by about 60,000 Japanese. Russians were the third-largest group, followed by citizens of India, said Erika Gee, the foundation's education director. Chinese immigrants have drawn more attention not only because of their larger number but also because they generally endured longer stays and more difficulties, Yung said. Though both Chinese and Japanese faced hostility in that period, Chinese were subjected to tighter immigration controls and many resorted to using false documents, which in turn resulted in stricter screening, Yung said. The project aims to add not only the Japanese story but also the unknown sagas of people of other nationalities who made Angel Island one of the most culturally diverse way stations on the planet. Yung's current emphasis is on Japan, and she and Lee will gradually include other nations. "It's more than Chinese," said Daphne Kwok , executive director of the Angel Island Immigration Station Foundation. "It was other Asians, Australians, South Americans, Europeans, Mexicans, Central Americans." Added Yung, "There were at least 60 nationalities who went through." The book is to be published in 2010, when the full complex -- including a research center in the rebuilt hospital -- is scheduled to be completed. The station is now closed to the public, but the restored barracks and an outdoors exhibit showing the original-size "footprint" and sections of the administration building are scheduled to open next summer, Kwok said. --------------------------------- Fear of a mother-in-law sends Japanese bride to faraway land At age 16 in Japan, Hisayo Yoshino didn't know she'd have oodles of descendants someday in Northern California, much less that they'd recall the leap she was about to take. Nor did she realize her story would be forever retold in the emerging restoration of Angel Island's immigration station. But the teenager living near Hiroshima in 1910 knew one thing for sure. She didn't want to wed the husband arranged for her, even if he stood to inherit his family's wealth as the eldest son. He and his wife would also inherit the care of his parents. "In the olden days," said Yoshino's daughter, Janice Muto, 73, of Concord, "the mother-in-law could make a young bride's life hell." A teenage friend who had married the oldest son of another family would regularly visit Yoshino in tears over the hardships she faced. Yoshino persuaded her parents to break her engagement, and she joined the thousands of "picture brides" who arranged through the exchange of photos to marry Japanese men who had come to California years earlier. Little did she know that her stomach-punishing voyage across the Pacific in the summer of 1912 would be followed by tears of her own in the first weeks at her new home on a remote orchard in Placer County. Her first ordeal in the United States, however, came as soon she stepped onto Angel Island. "A physical found she had intestinal worms," said Muto. She had to take daily medication and remain at the immigration station for three weeks. Finally she joined her new husband, Sahei Makimoto, to begin their life on the farm. Instead of the streets paved with gold that she dreamed of in Japan, Yoshino found herself alone with five men far from most comforts of civilization, Muto said. She cried every day for three weeks. But other Japanese wives arrived soon, and hardships were gradually overcome -- until they were all relocated into internment camps during World War II. Yoshino survived that, too, and lived to age 97, leaving six children, eighteen grandchildren and a couple dozen great-grandchildren. --------------------------------- Share your memories Those who have information to share about the immigrant experience at Angel Island are asked to contact the Angel Island Immigration Station Foundation at (415) 561-2160 or [email protected] They can write Professor Yung at [email protected] or Professor Lee at [email protected] Some of the records already collected are available online at casefiles.berkeley.edu. Others can be accessed for a fee through ancestry.com or for free through the National Archives' San Bruno office. Call the archives at (650) 238-3501 or visit www.archives.gov/pacific/san-francisco/index.html. E-mail Charles Burress at [email protected] Page B - 1 URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/09/14/BAGPJL5DHR1.DTL George --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.

Listers...this site is such fun!!! Just plug in any old address of yours, your parents, g-parents, etc....and today's "value", updated pix, etc, pops up!!! I just found that my ggp's house, built before 1906 is now worth 850,000+...Of course, it's location, locationl location!!! Have fun. I just discovered this on the Saint Louis site. Judie www.zillow.com

Good afternoon, My name is Walter Castor and I am researching the following families. Charles F. CASTOR and Minnie HENNING. John W. WILCOX and Matilda (Tillie) CASTOR Bruno HENNING and Matilda EHRKE Oscar H. FISHER and Lillie HENNING Elmer VAN FRANK and Lucy HENNING Anyone with similar interest, please contact. I am more than happy to share my research. Thank you in advance Walter

re: SF Call Database The last time I talked to Jim Faulkinbury, he had stopped adding years because he wanted to see what CGS was doing. CGS was working on some during the same period (1900-1905) and he didn't want to duplicate efforts. Nancy Peterson may know who's doing what these days. Please note that there are two copies of the database out there: an older one at feefhs.org (to 1895) and the newer one at cefha.org (to 1899). The latter is included in sfgenealogy.com's search index. For the links to everything, please go to sfgenealogy.com's page at: http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/sfdata.htm#sfcall Ron Filion sfgenealogy.com >From: The Schafers <[email protected]> >Subject: [CASANFRA] Adding to indexes? >To: [email protected], [email protected] > >Hi, > >Does anyone know if the Newspaper Index San Francisco Call? Database >Index , 1869?1899, will be extending either way? >Or is there anyone else working on earlier databases for the early >1860's in SF area? > >I love this database and it helped me solve tons of road blocks early >on when I started searching in SF. >It does seem the Vitals list is growing online which is great too but I >was just wondering if anything else will be added? > >Have a great day, hopefully some of you who were able to go to the >lecture will post the things that really were helpful or interesting! > >Cathie

This has happened to me in the past and lasted several days and then stopped without my intervention. Jeanine ----- Original Message ---- From: Judie Cook <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:23:52 PM Subject: [CASANFRA] More than one??? Has anyone out there been getting duplicates of posts recently? I mean the ones sent at EXACTLY the same time...not someone deliberately repeating a post. I find it most curious... Judie ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Has anyone out there been getting duplicates of posts recently? I mean the ones sent at EXACTLY the same time...not someone deliberately repeating a post. I find it most curious... Judie

Thank you for the quick answer. I'd also like to inquire if anyone has had an ancestor that might have worked for the Pacific Mail Steamship Co. My Michael Russell was a fireman who worked for them from about 1860-80 (at least). In the 1863 SF city directory he is listed as working on the SS St. Louis and in the 1864, he is working on the SS Golden City. His residence at the time was Ecker St (or Pl). His wife was Mary Shilly Russell and their children were Julia, John, Edward and Thomas. The 1880 census was the last I saw of Michael, Mary, John and Edward. I can follow Julia to the 1920 when she was living in Burlingame as a live in servant. So I'm looking mostly for death notices, certificates, places of burial and obits. If there are any other places I should be looking, please, I invite all suggestions. Thanks, Liz Russell Forsyth -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pete Klein Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Adding to indexes? http://feefhs.org/fdb2/sfcalli.html Check it out. Marriage, birth and death notices from 1869-1895 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Forsyth Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] Adding to indexes? I am brand new to SF research - can you tell me about this Newspaper Index database that you refer to? Thank you, Liz Russell Forsyth -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of The Schafers Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 1:23 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [CASANFRA] Adding to indexes? Hi, Does anyone know if the Newspaper Index San Francisco Call  Database Index , 1869—1899, will be extending either way? Or is there anyone else working on earlier databases for the early 1860's in SF area? I love this database and it helped me solve tons of road blocks early on when I started searching in SF. It does seem the Vitals list is growing online which is great too but I was just wondering if anything else will be added? Have a great day, hopefully some of you who were able to go to the lecture will post the things that really were helpful or interesting! Cathie ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message