Thank you, Pat - the info from "San Francisco Almanac" corresponds nicely to the info about St. Patrick's on the Noehill website at http://www.noehill.com/sf/landmarks/sf006.asp and offers good background. Still need info on Holy Cross in 1871 if anyone else has info - or ideas about where else I might look. And - I'll continue to hope that someone may have - or know where I can find - sketches or photos of these churches to add to my family history collection! Kaye -----Original Message----- From: Pat [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: September 16, 2006 2:35 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] info re Holy Cross Church (1871) and St. Patrick's Church (1872) - buildings? locations? I am copying this from "San Francisco Almanac" by Gladys Hansen San Francisco City Archivist (copyright 1975): Old St. Patrick's 820 Eddy Street (next to Holy Cross Church) The oldest frame church building in San Francisco began as St. Patrick's Church on the site where the Palace Hotel now stands. Built in 1851, the parish limits were bounded by Pine, Ninth, Mission Creek, and the Bay. It was moved in 1873 to Eddy, between Octavia and Laguna, and called St. John the Baptist Church. In 1891 it moved again to its present location where it served as Holy Cross Church until the new church was completed in 1890. It now serves as Holy Cross Parish Hall. I hope this helps. Pat Kaye Steward <[email protected]> wrote: Please - can anyone help verify information about Holy Cross RC Church in San Francisco as it was in March 1870 and St. Patrick's Church in San Francisco as it was in August 1872? I'm trying to determine exactly in which church buildings my gr-grandparents were married and their firstborn, my grandmother, was baptized. I'm very interested to learn more about both - photos, drawings and/or descriptions of the buildings, and in the exact locations of these churches in those early years. According to newspaper reports (found thanks to a wonderful listmember), and a family Bible, I have on record: (1) Holy Cross Church - on March 26, 1871, Richard Cullen STEWARD and Alice M. (Mary?) TREAHY were married by Rev. Jas. Langon (sp? perhaps Morgan?). Witnesses: Mary F. Burns and John C. Quinn (2) Ellen (Nellie) Catherine STEWARD, daughter of couple above, was baptized in St. Patrick's Church in August 1872. I realize that many churches were damaged in the earthquake/fire, and still others have been renovated, closed, moved and/or sold to other congregations - but am trying to discover about Holy Cross and St. Patrick's has they might have been in the early 1870s - and if they still exist somewhere now? (The Noehill website seems to indicate that both of the original buildings may still exist but now serve as Buddhist temples - can anyone verify that for me?) >From info on the Noehill website at http://www.noehill.com/sf/landmarks/sf004.asp, it seems that a new St. Patrick's Church was consecrated in 1872, but no specific date within that year is mentioned, so I'm not sure if Granny was baptized in the brand new church that year - or the original St. Patrick's built in 1854 at the corner of Market and New Montgomery by The Jesuits of St. Ignatius College http://www.noehill.com/sf/landmarks/sf006.asp Any information about either church, or about these actual marriage/birth from some kind soul who happens to be researching in RC archives in San Francisco or elsewhere in California would be most appreciated. With thanks in advance, Kaye Steward Edmonton, Alberta, Canada ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Pat FLOOR: The place for storing your priceless genealogy records ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.

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Hi Doug, Thank you for explaining that ! All of my grandparents died during the 1960's, and none of them appear in the SSDI. (MA, 1960, 1961, 1967, and 2/1968) Betty (near Lowell, MA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Urbanus" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] reasons for not being listed in SSDI > Social Security paid nothing until 1940. The first survivor benefit > equaled 3x the "primary insurance amount" not to exceed $255 (or $85 > monthly). Eventually this was converted to what is called the "lumpsum > death" benefit that is now payable to only the surviving spouse. > > By now the chatter must convince everyone that it was not necessary to > have received benefits in order to be listed in the SSDI. Because the > master beneficiary record, as an electronic record, began in 1968, deaths > that occured prior to this date are rarely displayed on the SSDI. If > there is a pre-1968 record it means that a survivor applied for benefits > under that SSN after 1967. Any listing from 1968 on means either (1) the > person or a survivor drew benefits or (2) for a non-beneficiary the death > was reported to SSA. For years this meant usually a funeral director > report or someone who presented a death certificate. A > post-1967non-appearance (as suggested by the rootsweb site) likely means a > delay in the report (that is, the death certificate has not been > finalized), an incorrect name/SSN relative to the numident record (which > contains the application for an SSN and duplicate cards issued after the > orginal) or possibly the person did not have an SSN. There was no > requirement until the 1980s for a survivor or spouse to even have an SSN. > Until the 1990s there was no requirement that a dependent on a tax return > have an SSN/TIN. [Anyone notice that deceased minors seemingly never > appear]. Today just about everyone has an SSN. And today I'm sure with > the multiple electronic sources of death, it's rare that a deceased person > does not appear on the SSDI at least eventually. > > I don't recall mentioning that I worked for Social Security. So while I > may not know everything relative to this question, I can speculate > knowledgeably on just about every reason why someone is NOT on the SSDI. > > P.S. Death certificates establish death. Marriage and birth > certificates establish relationships. A death certificate would never > establish that someone was a daughter. > > [email protected] wrote: > I joined the list over 3 years ago in my quest to obtain information on > my uncle's marriage in San Francisco. He died in 1939 in Oregon which I > believe is where he went shortly after his wife died. They had a daughter > that I've been trying to locate but I've need his wifeâ?Ts maiden name, so > I could. Sadly his daughter could never receive any SSI since uncle Vic > was never listed on the death records for Social Security, in fact she > doesnâ?Tt even know he died. > My grandfather was next of kin and wasn't the nicest person, that's why > all of his children left TN. In fact when my grandmother died he never had > a cemetery marker placed on her grave [donâ?Tt think he paid for her > funeral]. I was very young and remember when gramps died and my dad & > uncles where all over the cemetery trying to locate her grave. > Gramps received a letter from the funeral home in Oregon [I have the > papers from the funeral home] that's how the family knew my uncle died in > Oregon. But gramps didnâ?Tt want to be responsible for the funeral bills > so he never replied. It doesnâ?Tt surprise me since he didnâ?Tt pay for > the funerals of 2 of his other wives or another son who died. Since he was > next of kin he was the one to notify Social Security and apply for any > benefits and etc. Since Social Security was never informed of Uncle > Vicâ?Ts death, there is no record. The funeral home back then could not > notify the Social Security administration and the state of Oregon didnâ?Tt > either. > Patti > > ************************** > Visit SFGenealogy.com! > http://www.sfgenealogy.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Patti, Why not start out by telling us all of the information that you do have. Oregon has it own death index that runs from 1903 to 1998. They California birth index should cover the children's births. His wife should be in the pre1940 California death index under her married name. God Bless, Rebekah [email protected] wrote: >I joined the list over 3 years ago in my quest to obtain information on my uncle's marriage in San Francisco. He died in 1939 in Oregon which I believe is where he went shortly after his wife died. They had a daughter that I've been trying to locate but I've need his wife’s maiden name, so I could. Sadly his daughter could never receive any SSI since uncle Vic was never listed on the death records for Social Security, in fact she doesn’t even know he died. ... >Patti >

Thomas Arper died between 1900 (after the fed census was taken) and before the state required death registration in SF. Where would I go or contact for an obituary? The Arper family lived on Mission St. at 2043 in 1890. Is Mission street still in existence? Where would it be or would have been? thank you, Joyce Newton

Try this page: http://www.calgensoc.org/web/cgs/cgshp.nsf?Open for the CA Genealogical Society. Click on Online Databases, then on San Francisco, thenDeaths then 1902-1904. I found the following listing which could be yours. Arpir, Thomas , age 79 born in Canada, died in 1904, 7102 D Directions to send for the death certificate are on their web site. I obtained one and it was "my" family and provided much needed information. My Grandmother owned a rooming house called the Butte Hotel at 2030 Mission St. in 1927-1930+. I went to San Francisco and took pictures of it three years ago, although the name is different it is still standing. I do not know if this would have been the original from 1904 but rather doubt it due to the fire following the 1906 earthquake. Someone else will probably have that answer for you. Mission Street is still there. Hope this helps. Pat Joyce Newton <[email protected]> wrote: Thomas Arper died between 1900 (after the fed census was taken) and before the state required death registration in SF. Where would I go or contact for an obituary? The Arper family lived on Mission St. at 2043 in 1890. Is Mission street still in existence? Where would it be or would have been? thank you, Joyce Newton ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Pat FLOOR: The place for storing your priceless genealogy records --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

The CA birth index entries for the HENRY girls should show their mother's maiden name(s). If you can supply that info perhaps someone can help you find the entry, if you can't find it yourself at Vitalsearch. www.vitalsearch-ca.com (the link Judie mentioned before) MeLani --<snip>..... --I have all the female Henry girls born in San Francisco from --1930 to 1939 but I need the mother's maiden name. What is so --ironic is I saw a girl born during that time frame with the --given name of Patricia Ann Henry. That's same name was given --to me when I was born. His daughter was most likely a toddler --at the time. I have done all kinds of Internet searches for --marriage & death records and no luck. [I've been doing --genealogy over 35 years. Two counties my ancestors settled in --had courthouse fires and still was able to trance my lined --back to the early 1700's and one line back to the 1600's in --Scotland, this has really stumped me]. Uncle Vic wrote home --that he had married and had a daughter and he came home from --work and found his wife dead, most likely it was a heart --attack, I honestly don't know. I really appreciate your response. --Patti...

Patti... Do you have any idea when he married his last wife...or how old the daughter would have been when he died in 39??? Have you checked the marriage records shown at www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/vitals/sfmar.htm?? You may get lucky!! Have you tried looking for the birth of their daughter at www.vitalsearch-ca.com? You might get lucky there too. good luck....Judie On Sep 16, 2006, at 7:50 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I joined the list over 3 years ago in my quest to obtain > information on my uncle's marriage in San Francisco. He died in > 1939 in Oregon which I believe is where he went shortly after his > wife died. They had a daughter that I've been trying to locate but > I've need his wife’s maiden name, so I could. Sadly his daughter > could never receive any SSI since uncle Vic was never listed on the > death records for Social Security, in fact she doesn’t even know he > died. > My grandfather was next of kin and wasn't the nicest person, that's > why all of his children left TN. In fact when my grandmother died > he never had a cemetery marker placed on her grave [don’t think he > paid for her funeral]. I was very young and remember when gramps > died and my dad & uncles where all over the cemetery trying to > locate her grave. > Gramps received a letter from the funeral home in Oregon [I have > the papers from the funeral home] that's how the family knew my > uncle died in Oregon. But gramps didn’t want to be responsible for > the funeral bills so he never replied. It doesn’t surprise me since > he didn’t pay for the funerals of 2 of his other wives or another > son who died. Since he was next of kin he was the one to notify > Social Security and apply for any benefits and etc. Since Social > Security was never informed of Uncle Vic’s death, there is no > record. The funeral home back then could not notify the Social > Security administration and the state of Oregon didn’t either. > Patti > > ************************** > Visit SFGenealogy.com! > http://www.sfgenealogy.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Social Security paid nothing until 1940. The first survivor benefit equaled 3x the "primary insurance amount" not to exceed $255 (or $85 monthly). Eventually this was converted to what is called the "lumpsum death" benefit that is now payable to only the surviving spouse. By now the chatter must convince everyone that it was not necessary to have received benefits in order to be listed in the SSDI. Because the master beneficiary record, as an electronic record, began in 1968, deaths that occured prior to this date are rarely displayed on the SSDI. If there is a pre-1968 record it means that a survivor applied for benefits under that SSN after 1967. Any listing from 1968 on means either (1) the person or a survivor drew benefits or (2) for a non-beneficiary the death was reported to SSA. For years this meant usually a funeral director report or someone who presented a death certificate. A post-1967non-appearance (as suggested by the rootsweb site) likely means a delay in the report (that is, the death certificate has not been finalized), an incorrect name/SSN relative to the numident record (which contains the application for an SSN and duplicate cards issued after the orginal) or possibly the person did not have an SSN. There was no requirement until the 1980s for a survivor or spouse to even have an SSN. Until the 1990s there was no requirement that a dependent on a tax return have an SSN/TIN. [Anyone notice that deceased minors seemingly never appear]. Today just about everyone has an SSN. And today I'm sure with the multiple electronic sources of death, it's rare that a deceased person does not appear on the SSDI at least eventually. I don't recall mentioning that I worked for Social Security. So while I may not know everything relative to this question, I can speculate knowledgeably on just about every reason why someone is NOT on the SSDI. P.S. Death certificates establish death. Marriage and birth certificates establish relationships. A death certificate would never establish that someone was a daughter. [email protected] wrote: I joined the list over 3 years ago in my quest to obtain information on my uncle's marriage in San Francisco. He died in 1939 in Oregon which I believe is where he went shortly after his wife died. They had a daughter that I've been trying to locate but I've need his wife’s maiden name, so I could. Sadly his daughter could never receive any SSI since uncle Vic was never listed on the death records for Social Security, in fact she doesn’t even know he died. My grandfather was next of kin and wasn't the nicest person, that's why all of his children left TN. In fact when my grandmother died he never had a cemetery marker placed on her grave [don’t think he paid for her funeral]. I was very young and remember when gramps died and my dad & uncles where all over the cemetery trying to locate her grave. Gramps received a letter from the funeral home in Oregon [I have the papers from the funeral home] that's how the family knew my uncle died in Oregon. But gramps didn’t want to be responsible for the funeral bills so he never replied. It doesn’t surprise me since he didn’t pay for the funerals of 2 of his other wives or another son who died. Since he was next of kin he was the one to notify Social Security and apply for any benefits and etc. Since Social Security was never informed of Uncle Vic’s death, there is no record. The funeral home back then could not notify the Social Security administration and the state of Oregon didn’t either. Patti ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

MeLani Yes it does, but it does not list the father's given name. So it's another dead end. I appreciate your feedback. Patti > The CA birth index entries for the HENRY girls should show their > mother's maiden name(s). > If you can supply that info perhaps someone can help you find the entry, > if you can't find it yourself at Vitalsearch. www.vitalsearch-ca.com > (the link Judie mentioned before) > > MeLani > > > --<snip>..... > --I have all the female Henry girls born in San Francisco from > --1930 to 1939 but I need the mother's maiden name. What is so > --ironic is I saw a girl born during that time frame with the > --given name of Patricia Ann Henry. That's same name was given > --to me when I was born. His daughter was most likely a toddler > --at the time. I have done all kinds of Internet searches for > --marriage & death records and no luck. [I've been doing > --genealogy over 35 years. Two counties my ancestors settled in > --had courthouse fires and still was able to trance my lined > --back to the early 1700's and one line back to the 1600's in > --Scotland, this has really stumped me]. Uncle Vic wrote home > --that he had married and had a daughter and he came home from > --work and found his wife dead, most likely it was a heart > --attack, I honestly don't know. I really appreciate your response. > --Patti...

Judie My grandfather was married 4 times, Uncle Vic was married only once and died when he was just 33 years old. From the newspaper articles he was hitchhiking, got a ride and 10 minutes later the driver passed another vehicle, lost control and flipped his car. Uncle Vic was the only one hurt and died the next day. He was in Oregon a few weeks and since he died Jul 6, 1939 I figure in left CA about April to June. I have all the female Henry girls born in San Francisco from 1930 to 1939 but I need the mother's maiden name. What is so ironic is I saw a girl born during that time frame with the given name of Patricia Ann Henry. That's same name was given to me when I was born. His daughter was most likely a toddler at the time. I have done all kinds of Internet searches for marriage & death records and no luck. [I've been doing genealogy over 35 years. Two counties my ancestors settled in had courthouse fires and still was able to trance my lined back to the early 1700's and one line back to the 1600's in Scotland, this has really stumped me]. Uncle Vic wrote home that he had married and had a daughter and he came home from work and found his wife dead, most likely it was a heart attack, I honestly don't know. I really appreciate your response. Patti...

I joined the list over 3 years ago in my quest to obtain information on my uncle's marriage in San Francisco. He died in 1939 in Oregon which I believe is where he went shortly after his wife died. They had a daughter that I've been trying to locate but I've need his wife’s maiden name, so I could. Sadly his daughter could never receive any SSI since uncle Vic was never listed on the death records for Social Security, in fact she doesn’t even know he died. My grandfather was next of kin and wasn't the nicest person, that's why all of his children left TN. In fact when my grandmother died he never had a cemetery marker placed on her grave [don’t think he paid for her funeral]. I was very young and remember when gramps died and my dad & uncles where all over the cemetery trying to locate her grave. Gramps received a letter from the funeral home in Oregon [I have the papers from the funeral home] that's how the family knew my uncle died in Oregon. But gramps didn’t want to be responsible for the funeral bills so he never replied. It doesn’t surprise me since he didn’t pay for the funerals of 2 of his other wives or another son who died. Since he was next of kin he was the one to notify Social Security and apply for any benefits and etc. Since Social Security was never informed of Uncle Vic’s death, there is no record. The funeral home back then could not notify the Social Security administration and the state of Oregon didn’t either. Patti

Nope because my son who died at 15 is on there. And so is my Grandmother who never worked nor recieved SS.

If I understand what you are saying, that is incorrect. Both my parents and inlaws are in the index...with data..Usually the funeral home notifies SS of the death and it goes from there. Anyone who receives SS will eventually be on the index whether or not there is a spouse or underage or handicapped child to draw on it. Judie On Sep 16, 2006, at 11:44 AM, Pat Crimmel wrote: > Concerning the no information on your son in the Social Security Death > Index, I believe someone has to draw on the deceased Social > Security in > order to have any information in the Death Index. > > Pat > ************************** > Visit SFGenealogy.com! > http://www.sfgenealogy.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Please - can anyone help verify information about Holy Cross RC Church in San Francisco as it was in March 1870 and St. Patrick's Church in San Francisco as it was in August 1872? I'm trying to determine exactly in which church buildings my gr-grandparents were married and their firstborn, my grandmother, was baptized. I'm very interested to learn more about both - photos, drawings and/or descriptions of the buildings, and in the exact locations of these churches in those early years. According to newspaper reports (found thanks to a wonderful listmember), and a family Bible, I have on record: (1) Holy Cross Church - on March 26, 1871, Richard Cullen STEWARD and Alice M. (Mary?) TREAHY were married by Rev. Jas. Langon (sp? perhaps Morgan?). Witnesses: Mary F. Burns and John C. Quinn (2) Ellen (Nellie) Catherine STEWARD, daughter of couple above, was baptized in St. Patrick's Church in August 1872. I realize that many churches were damaged in the earthquake/fire, and still others have been renovated, closed, moved and/or sold to other congregations - but am trying to discover about Holy Cross and St. Patrick's has they might have been in the early 1870s - and if they still exist somewhere now? (The Noehill website seems to indicate that both of the original buildings may still exist but now serve as Buddhist temples - can anyone verify that for me?) >From info on the Noehill website at http://www.noehill.com/sf/landmarks/sf004.asp, it seems that a new St. Patrick's Church was consecrated in 1872, but no specific date within that year is mentioned, so I'm not sure if Granny was baptized in the brand new church that year - or the original St. Patrick's built in 1854 at the corner of Market and New Montgomery by The Jesuits of St. Ignatius College http://www.noehill.com/sf/landmarks/sf006.asp Any information about either church, or about these actual marriage/birth from some kind soul who happens to be researching in RC archives in San Francisco or elsewhere in California would be most appreciated. With thanks in advance, Kaye Steward Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

I am copying this from "San Francisco Almanac" by Gladys Hansen San Francisco City Archivist (copyright 1975): Old St. Patrick's 820 Eddy Street (next to Holy Cross Church) The oldest frame church building in San Francisco began as St. Patrick's Church on the site where the Palace Hotel now stands. Built in 1851, the parish limits were bounded by Pine, Ninth, Mission Creek, and the Bay. It was moved in 1873 to Eddy, between Octavia and Laguna, and called St. John the Baptist Church. In 1891 it moved again to its present location where it served as Holy Cross Church until the new church was completed in 1890. It now serves as Holy Cross Parish Hall. I hope this helps. Pat Kaye Steward <[email protected]> wrote: Please - can anyone help verify information about Holy Cross RC Church in San Francisco as it was in March 1870 and St. Patrick's Church in San Francisco as it was in August 1872? I'm trying to determine exactly in which church buildings my gr-grandparents were married and their firstborn, my grandmother, was baptized. I'm very interested to learn more about both - photos, drawings and/or descriptions of the buildings, and in the exact locations of these churches in those early years. According to newspaper reports (found thanks to a wonderful listmember), and a family Bible, I have on record: (1) Holy Cross Church - on March 26, 1871, Richard Cullen STEWARD and Alice M. (Mary?) TREAHY were married by Rev. Jas. Langon (sp? perhaps Morgan?). Witnesses: Mary F. Burns and John C. Quinn (2) Ellen (Nellie) Catherine STEWARD, daughter of couple above, was baptized in St. Patrick's Church in August 1872. I realize that many churches were damaged in the earthquake/fire, and still others have been renovated, closed, moved and/or sold to other congregations - but am trying to discover about Holy Cross and St. Patrick's has they might have been in the early 1870s - and if they still exist somewhere now? (The Noehill website seems to indicate that both of the original buildings may still exist but now serve as Buddhist temples - can anyone verify that for me?) >From info on the Noehill website at http://www.noehill.com/sf/landmarks/sf004.asp, it seems that a new St. Patrick's Church was consecrated in 1872, but no specific date within that year is mentioned, so I'm not sure if Granny was baptized in the brand new church that year - or the original St. Patrick's built in 1854 at the corner of Market and New Montgomery by The Jesuits of St. Ignatius College http://www.noehill.com/sf/landmarks/sf006.asp Any information about either church, or about these actual marriage/birth from some kind soul who happens to be researching in RC archives in San Francisco or elsewhere in California would be most appreciated. With thanks in advance, Kaye Steward Edmonton, Alberta, Canada ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Pat FLOOR: The place for storing your priceless genealogy records --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.

I've heard this theory before (that if no one has drawn on the account, the decedant isn't listed in the SSDI), but it is not true. For some ideas about why someone is not listed in the SSDI, visit: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ssdi/missing.html >Concerning the no information on your son in the Social Security Death >Index, I believe someone has to draw on the deceased Social Security in >order to have any information in the Death Index. ========================== Mary Thiele Fobian Genealogical & Historical Research Pacific Grove, California

Thank you, doc Pat Crimmel wrote: >Concerning the no information on your son in the Social Security Death >Index, I believe someone has to draw on the deceased Social Security in >order to have any information in the Death Index. > >Pat >************************** >Visit SFGenealogy.com! >http://www.sfgenealogy.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

Concerning the no information on your son in the Social Security Death Index, I believe someone has to draw on the deceased Social Security in order to have any information in the Death Index. Pat

http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/sfranlok.htm#Vitals >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:12:33 -0700 (PDT) >From: Doug Urbanus <[email protected]> >Subject: [CASANFRA] VitalSearch Calif marriage index >To: [email protected] > >I'm sure everyone noticed the "bride" portion went premium awhile back. Is it accessible anywhere else? Forgive me! those who think this is not worthy a worthy reason. I'm trying to trace girls from my highschool for our upcoming reunion. A married name would help.