Hi Pat, I am sure by now you have had many suggestions and my apologies I did not follow those replies. I find it hard to tell a story as if you were there along with your ancestors, but in telling my research story to others I tend to find words that do tell a story, of course you cannot avoid facts and dates. I research the times of my ancestors, history of the land at the time, why they may have emigrated, forced to, religion or war, the famine as in Ireland when my great grandfather was born 1 Jan 1847, Meath Co, something of where they came from, a description of the time and place. I offer my thoughts and theories, try to imagine them living at that time and describe what I know or feel. The scrafices they may/must have made, the chances they may/must have taken. From my research at one time I had no idea how my grandmother would of came to meet my grandfather, but city directories told me one side and the family stories another. My mother told me my grandmother was in the 1920 NY Follies as a dancer and that she worked as a telephone operator. In a 1920 city directory I found my grandfather unmarried working for AT&T. So I then knew how they met. I would suggest record your telling the story to someone, play it back, listen to yourself and from that write. I did one time video my wife and her aunt flipping through the family albums the aunt had, telling the story of the pictures. With todays computers, you can verbally tell the story (voice over) as you have a slide show of pictures and documents (scanned) and burn to DVD's. You can incorporate home digital video, VHS tapes or 8/16mm film too. I have been on a mission to capture old VHS video tapes. I have many scanned photographs dating back to the 1890-1950's. So bringing the story to life with pictures, your voice, other family voices, even if you have nothing to say you can add background music, music from that period and time, national anthems, etc. And by being on DVD's, they can be duplicated and given to other family and to hand down over the years. I found this link that may give you ideas. There are people in the business of doing this all for you - http://www.writecorner.com/oral_history.asp This is a brief research story of my family - http://www.begnal-enterprises.com/genealogy/story.html Another story online is of my Pereira Cardoso side - http://www.begnal-enterprises.com/genealogy/cardoso/cstory.html Eventually I will re-write and update, add thoughts and findings. Also, some genealogy programs allow you to tell the story from your notes, adding pictures, video etc. Family Tree Maker is one. I hope I have been of some help..... -- Regards, D.R. "Doc" Begnal-Young - "Pay It Forward" Genealogy Assistance - 13 years researching online http://www.begnal-enterprises.com/genealogy/genealogy-assistance.html Begnal-Blaschko/Blaszko/Blaskow-Perry/Pereira Cardoso-Wilson www.begnal-enterprises.com/genealogy/ Serving the Greater Salt Lake Valley, UT Pat wrote: >Asking for suggestions from this list of knowledgeable people. > > I have most (but not all) of the family in order, but I know my children and grandchildren will find it a) boring, b) confusing, c) intimidating d) regretably tossed in the trash and wished for in about 40 years. > > I would like to write it out as a story. But whenever I start, it seems daunting...and the transitions lead me from one to the next to the next. Not necessarily all of which should be included, or they take me in the wrong direction. Starting at the beginning and moving forward becomes quite confusing in very short order. Or they become long narratives which I find boring, and I KNOW the stories. > > Can someone(s) please offer suggestions, or books which might help with the structure and make this the fascinating story I've discovered. I will be most grateful for any and all help...and boy, do I need some suggestions. > > Thanks, > > Pat > > >Pat > FLOOR: The place for storing your priceless genealogy records > > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. >************************** >Visit SFGenealogy.com! >http://www.sfgenealogy.com >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

Are you familiar with Sanborn Fire Insurance Maps? "Fire insurance maps are detailed city plans, usually at scales of 50 or 100 feet to an inch. They show individual building "footprints," complete with construction details, such as building material (brick, adobe, frame, etc.), height (of larger buildings), number of stories, location of doors, windows, chimneys and elevators, use of structure (dwelling, hotel, church, etc.), street address, and occasionally the ethnicity of the occupants. Other features shown include lot lines, street widths, water pipes, hydrants and cisterns, and fire-fighting facilities." [Business names also shown for many locations.] -UC Berkeley <http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/sanborn.html> I have used these professionally for commercial property and general historical research. But, I find them also valuable for family history research. Although you probably won't find your ancestor's name listed on the map, the information will add to your knowledge of the area and time in which they lived. (But, what if you don't know where they lived? Besides a residence often being listed on vital certificates, you can find them in a City Directory.) Anyway, ProQuest-UMI have digitized a large collection of these maps (including many areas of California) and they are available online through participating libraries. I know that the San Francisco and San Jose public libraries now have them available online for their patrons. If you know of any other NorCal library that has them available, please email me directly. Thanks! Ron Filion sfgenealogy.com p.s. We have the San Francisco maps available for 1899/1900, for free at: http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sf/sanborn/sanborn.htm

I should add a PS...My MIL was from Abbeville, S.C. and those Southerners wrote the most beautiful letters...I have dozens of them, some from the Civil War..most from the very late 1800s and early 1900s. I am in the midst of transcribing them as the stationary is pretty fragile now. I have already made copies of them..and some will be framed also. The originals go into the vault too, along with the completed transcriptions...JUST in case!!! Good luck... Judie On Sep 23, 2006, at 2:20 PM, Judie Cook wrote: > Hi ole' friend.... > I see that someone else said what I was going to say....I got John's > mother(husband's mother) to tell her life as she remembered it, > especially tell about what relative was who...etc. I have 34 > tapes...!!!! > WE are going to convert them to CDS so they last and don't get > destroyed. They will be THE birthday present for each of the kids/ > married g-kids. We keep one for ourselves (and to make copies from) > and keep the other in the vault for safe keeping, along with her > pedigree sheets. > Hearing her voice now...she died in 1998...brings shivers...and > tears...but also joy!!! > Start out with YOUR story...from as far back as you can > remember...and talk about the people...relatives...and all the times > you moved(if you did) so that some year someone can follow you in the > census. > Make a really clear copy of the families' pedigree..enlarge it...and > get it framed. Actually, doing two, one for each side, would be good! > Then hang them somewhere in the house where they can be seen and s > tudied. > > Luck...and have fun!! But, get to it today!!!! You never know..... > > Judie > On Sep 23, 2006, at 12:36 PM, Pat wrote: > >> Asking for suggestions from this list of knowledgeable people. >> >> I have most (but not all) of the family in order, but I know my >> children and grandchildren will find it a) boring, b) confusing, c) >> intimidating d) regretably tossed in the trash and wished for in >> about 40 years. >> >> I would like to write it out as a story. But whenever I start, >> it seems daunting...and the transitions lead me from one to the >> next to the next. Not necessarily all of which should be included, >> or they take me in the wrong direction. Starting at the beginning >> and moving forward becomes quite confusing in very short order. Or >> they become long narratives which I find boring, and I KNOW the >> stories. >> >> Can someone(s) please offer suggestions, or books which might >> help with the structure and make this the fascinating story I've >> discovered. I will be most grateful for any and all help...and >> boy, do I need some suggestions. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Pat >> >> >> Pat >> FLOOR: The place for storing your priceless genealogy records >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! >> Small Business. >> ************************** >> Visit SFGenealogy.com! >> http://www.sfgenealogy.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA- >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ************************** > Visit SFGenealogy.com! > http://www.sfgenealogy.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi ole' friend.... I see that someone else said what I was going to say....I got John's mother(husband's mother) to tell her life as she remembered it, especially tell about what relative was who...etc. I have 34 tapes...!!!! WE are going to convert them to CDS so they last and don't get destroyed. They will be THE birthday present for each of the kids/ married g-kids. We keep one for ourselves (and to make copies from) and keep the other in the vault for safe keeping, along with her pedigree sheets. Hearing her voice now...she died in 1998...brings shivers...and tears...but also joy!!! Start out with YOUR story...from as far back as you can remember...and talk about the people...relatives...and all the times you moved(if you did) so that some year someone can follow you in the census. Make a really clear copy of the families' pedigree..enlarge it...and get it framed. Actually, doing two, one for each side, would be good! Then hang them somewhere in the house where they can be seen and s tudied. Luck...and have fun!! But, get to it today!!!! You never know..... Judie On Sep 23, 2006, at 12:36 PM, Pat wrote: > Asking for suggestions from this list of knowledgeable people. > > I have most (but not all) of the family in order, but I know my > children and grandchildren will find it a) boring, b) confusing, c) > intimidating d) regretably tossed in the trash and wished for in > about 40 years. > > I would like to write it out as a story. But whenever I start, > it seems daunting...and the transitions lead me from one to the > next to the next. Not necessarily all of which should be included, > or they take me in the wrong direction. Starting at the beginning > and moving forward becomes quite confusing in very short order. Or > they become long narratives which I find boring, and I KNOW the > stories. > > Can someone(s) please offer suggestions, or books which might > help with the structure and make this the fascinating story I've > discovered. I will be most grateful for any and all help...and > boy, do I need some suggestions. > > Thanks, > > Pat > > > Pat > FLOOR: The place for storing your priceless genealogy records > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! > Small Business. > ************************** > Visit SFGenealogy.com! > http://www.sfgenealogy.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASANFRA- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

> Asking for suggestions from this list of knowledgeable people. > > I have most (but not all) of the family in order, but I know my children > and grandchildren will find it a) boring, b) confusing, c) intimidating d) > regretably tossed in the trash and wished for in about 40 years. > > I would like to write it out as a story. But whenever I start, it seems > daunting...and the transitions lead me from one to the next to the next. Not > necessarily all of which should be included, or they take me in the wrong > direction. Starting at the beginning and moving forward becomes quite > confusing in very short order. Or they become long narratives which I find > boring, and I KNOW the stories. > > Can someone(s) please offer suggestions, or books which might help with the > structure and make this the fascinating story I've discovered. I will be most > grateful for any and all help...and boy, do I need some suggestions. > > Thanks, > > Pat > > > Pat > FLOOR: The place for storing your priceless genealogy records > > > > > Try "Genealogical Writing in the 21st Century (A guide to Register Style and More, Editor: Henry B Hoff, Published by New England Historic Genealogical Society > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small > Business. > ************************** > Visit SFGenealogy.com! > http://www.sfgenealogy.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Pat Put it onto a cassette for now and label it. Sometimes our minds forget things or in the event you postpone it again, the tape will still be around. My dad was the oral historian for the family and he had some good stories about family members. Unfortunately I lent my notebooks of stories to a cousin who kept everything. They didn't mean anything to him but where my shared treasures from my dad. How I wish I would have gotten them on tape, then I could hear it in his way of saying it. Sometimes when he remembered something he'd get tickled and start laughing so hard in the middle of the yarn that we had to wait till he could compose himself to continue. Patti > Asking for suggestions from this list of knowledgeable people. > > I have most (but not all) of the family in order, but I know my children and grandchildren will find it a) boring, b) confusing, c) intimidating d) regretably tossed in the trash and wished for in about 40 years. > > I would like to write it out as a story. But whenever I start, it seems daunting...and the transitions lead me from one to the next to the next. Not necessarily all of which should be included, or they take me in the wrong direction. Starting at the beginning and moving forward becomes quite confusing in very short order. Or they become long narratives which I find boring, and I KNOW the stories. > > Can someone(s) please offer suggestions, or books which might help with the structure and make this the fascinating story I've discovered. I will be most grateful for any and all help...and boy, do I need some suggestions. > > Thanks, > > Pat > > > Pat > FLOOR: The place for storing your priceless genealogy records

Asking for suggestions from this list of knowledgeable people. I have most (but not all) of the family in order, but I know my children and grandchildren will find it a) boring, b) confusing, c) intimidating d) regretably tossed in the trash and wished for in about 40 years. I would like to write it out as a story. But whenever I start, it seems daunting...and the transitions lead me from one to the next to the next. Not necessarily all of which should be included, or they take me in the wrong direction. Starting at the beginning and moving forward becomes quite confusing in very short order. Or they become long narratives which I find boring, and I KNOW the stories. Can someone(s) please offer suggestions, or books which might help with the structure and make this the fascinating story I've discovered. I will be most grateful for any and all help...and boy, do I need some suggestions. Thanks, Pat Pat FLOOR: The place for storing your priceless genealogy records --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.

I was referring to "proof of relationship" in an adjudicative sense of the word. A death certificate provides the informant name and indicates the relationship of the informant to the deceased, such as son, friend, etc.. The informant may or may not have any relationship to the deceased. But the relationship is not proven since the death certificate merely records what the informant said -- accurately or not. For genealogical purposes a death certificate may be sufficient "proof" of relationship, and indeed a lead toward other relations. Legally it is of no value whatsoever except for the fact and date of death. Christine Ross <[email protected]> wrote: re: the postscript about death certificates not establishng that someone is a daughter - that depends on the person filling out the death certificate. I have certs from some of my family members where it lists the name of the individual that provided/verified the decendants info and their relationship to the decendent (son, niece, etc.) I have found a lot of family information/linkages/living cousins by also tracing the person that provided information on my ancestor's d.c.'s. Christine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" To: Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 4:31 AM Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] reasons for not being listed in SSDI Hi Doug, Thank you for explaining that ! All of my grandparents died during the 1960's, and none of them appear in the SSDI. (MA, 1960, 1961, 1967, and 2/1968) Betty (near Lowell, MA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Urbanus" To: Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] reasons for not being listed in SSDI > Social Security paid nothing until 1940. The first survivor benefit > equaled 3x the "primary insurance amount" not to exceed $255 (or $85 > monthly). Eventually this was converted to what is called the "lumpsum > death" benefit that is now payable to only the surviving spouse. > > By now the chatter must convince everyone that it was not necessary to > have received benefits in order to be listed in the SSDI. Because the > master beneficiary record, as an electronic record, began in 1968, deaths > that occured prior to this date are rarely displayed on the SSDI. If > there is a pre-1968 record it means that a survivor applied for benefits > under that SSN after 1967. Any listing from 1968 on means either (1) the > person or a survivor drew benefits or (2) for a non-beneficiary the death > was reported to SSA. For years this meant usually a funeral director > report or someone who presented a death certificate. A > post-1967non-appearance (as suggested by the rootsweb site) likely means a > delay in the report (that is, the death certificate has not been > finalized), an incorrect name/SSN relative to the numident record (which > contains the application for an SSN and duplicate cards issued after the > orginal) or possibly the person did not have an SSN. There was no > requirement until the 1980s for a survivor or spouse to even have an SSN. > Until the 1990s there was no requirement that a dependent on a tax return > have an SSN/TIN. [Anyone notice that deceased minors seemingly never > appear]. Today just about everyone has an SSN. And today I'm sure with > the multiple electronic sources of death, it's rare that a deceased person > does not appear on the SSDI at least eventually. > > I don't recall mentioning that I worked for Social Security. So while I > may not know everything relative to this question, I can speculate > knowledgeably on just about every reason why someone is NOT on the SSDI. > > P.S. Death certificates establish death. Marriage and birth > certificates establish relationships. A death certificate would never > establish that someone was a daughter. > > [email protected] wrote: > I joined the list over 3 years ago in my quest to obtain information on > my uncle's marriage in San Francisco. He died in 1939 in Oregon which I > believe is where he went shortly after his wife died. They had a daughter > that I've been trying to locate but I've need his wifeâ?Ts maiden name, so > I could. Sadly his daughter could never receive any SSI since uncle Vic > was never listed on the death records for Social Security, in fact she > doesnâ?Tt even know he died. > My grandfather was next of kin and wasn't the nicest person, that's why > all of his children left TN. In fact when my grandmother died he never had > a cemetery marker placed on her grave [donâ?Tt think he paid for her > funeral]. I was very young and remember when gramps died and my dad & > uncles where all over the cemetery trying to locate her grave. > Gramps received a letter from the funeral home in Oregon [I have the > papers from the funeral home] that's how the family knew my uncle died in > Oregon. But gramps didnâ?Tt want to be responsible for the funeral bills > so he never replied. It doesnâ?Tt surprise me since he didnâ?Tt pay for > the funerals of 2 of his other wives or another son who died. Since he was > next of kin he was the one to notify Social Security and apply for any > benefits and etc. Since Social Security was never informed of Uncle > Vicâ?Ts death, there is no record. The funeral home back then could not > notify the Social Security administration and the state of Oregon didnâ?Tt > either. > Patti > > ************************** > Visit SFGenealogy.com! > http://www.sfgenealogy.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My cousin (by marriage) was Tim McSweeney. He was married to Norah Regan who was a sister or Ellen Regan Connors who lived next door. On the 1930 Census, he was listed as 59 years old, married, and he was a laborer at a foundry. He had a son and daughter living with him, in addition to other relatives, several families of them, living on Newhall Street in the Potrero district. This man was "clear as a bell" in his thinking. Why am I writing this, you may ask? It is in reference to the numerous questions re: social security. (He was not eligible nor did he lay any claim to it. In fact, I doubt that he even knew much about it.) Oh, did I forget to mention that he died April 11, 1926? No mistypings. Just a suggestion that we all check even the most reliable facts. And I thought you might enjoy a bit of humor. Pat Pat FLOOR: The place for storing your priceless genealogy records --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.

re: the postscript about death certificates not establishng that someone is a daughter - that depends on the person filling out the death certificate. I have certs from some of my family members where it lists the name of the individual that provided/verified the decendants info and their relationship to the decendent (son, niece, etc.) I have found a lot of family information/linkages/living cousins by also tracing the person that provided information on my ancestor's d.c.'s. Christine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 4:31 AM Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] reasons for not being listed in SSDI Hi Doug, Thank you for explaining that ! All of my grandparents died during the 1960's, and none of them appear in the SSDI. (MA, 1960, 1961, 1967, and 2/1968) Betty (near Lowell, MA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Urbanus" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] reasons for not being listed in SSDI > Social Security paid nothing until 1940. The first survivor benefit > equaled 3x the "primary insurance amount" not to exceed $255 (or $85 > monthly). Eventually this was converted to what is called the "lumpsum > death" benefit that is now payable to only the surviving spouse. > > By now the chatter must convince everyone that it was not necessary to > have received benefits in order to be listed in the SSDI. Because the > master beneficiary record, as an electronic record, began in 1968, deaths > that occured prior to this date are rarely displayed on the SSDI. If > there is a pre-1968 record it means that a survivor applied for benefits > under that SSN after 1967. Any listing from 1968 on means either (1) the > person or a survivor drew benefits or (2) for a non-beneficiary the death > was reported to SSA. For years this meant usually a funeral director > report or someone who presented a death certificate. A > post-1967non-appearance (as suggested by the rootsweb site) likely means a > delay in the report (that is, the death certificate has not been > finalized), an incorrect name/SSN relative to the numident record (which > contains the application for an SSN and duplicate cards issued after the > orginal) or possibly the person did not have an SSN. There was no > requirement until the 1980s for a survivor or spouse to even have an SSN. > Until the 1990s there was no requirement that a dependent on a tax return > have an SSN/TIN. [Anyone notice that deceased minors seemingly never > appear]. Today just about everyone has an SSN. And today I'm sure with > the multiple electronic sources of death, it's rare that a deceased person > does not appear on the SSDI at least eventually. > > I don't recall mentioning that I worked for Social Security. So while I > may not know everything relative to this question, I can speculate > knowledgeably on just about every reason why someone is NOT on the SSDI. > > P.S. Death certificates establish death. Marriage and birth > certificates establish relationships. A death certificate would never > establish that someone was a daughter. > > [email protected] wrote: > I joined the list over 3 years ago in my quest to obtain information on > my uncle's marriage in San Francisco. He died in 1939 in Oregon which I > believe is where he went shortly after his wife died. They had a daughter > that I've been trying to locate but I've need his wifeâ?Ts maiden name, so > I could. Sadly his daughter could never receive any SSI since uncle Vic > was never listed on the death records for Social Security, in fact she > doesnâ?Tt even know he died. > My grandfather was next of kin and wasn't the nicest person, that's why > all of his children left TN. In fact when my grandmother died he never had > a cemetery marker placed on her grave [donâ?Tt think he paid for her > funeral]. I was very young and remember when gramps died and my dad & > uncles where all over the cemetery trying to locate her grave. > Gramps received a letter from the funeral home in Oregon [I have the > papers from the funeral home] that's how the family knew my uncle died in > Oregon. But gramps didnâ?Tt want to be responsible for the funeral bills > so he never replied. It doesnâ?Tt surprise me since he didnâ?Tt pay for > the funerals of 2 of his other wives or another son who died. Since he was > next of kin he was the one to notify Social Security and apply for any > benefits and etc. Since Social Security was never informed of Uncle > Vicâ?Ts death, there is no record. The funeral home back then could not > notify the Social Security administration and the state of Oregon didnâ?Tt > either. > Patti > > ************************** > Visit SFGenealogy.com! > http://www.sfgenealogy.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Very many thanks to =Rebekah ,Carolyn & George. For the information. Very much appreciated. Ray

My father related to me before his death in 1997 about his brother Vic. Back in the 1930’s Victor told him he was leaving and never coming back to Cocke Co., TN. He wrote home he married and had a daughter. He came home from work and found his wife dead in bed, sometime after his wife’s death he went to Portland, OR where he was killed in an auto accident. Dad didn’t know what happened to Victor’s daughter and didn’t know her name. A wonderful lady in Oregon read my posting to a genealogy list. She located information Victor actually died in Klamath Co., OR as a result of an auto accident, and sent me copies of the newspaper articles regarding the auto accident and his death. Vic was hitch hiking, about 10 minutes after he was picked up; the driver was passing another car, lost control and rolled the car. Vic was the only one hurt and died the following day [July 06, 1939] from head injuries without regaining consciousness. I obtained a copy of his death certificate from the state which listed my grandfather George Henry as next of kin residing in Newport, TN, Vic was listed a widower. On a long shot I began calling the funeral homes and a wonderful lady told me which funeral home purchased the one listed in the newspaper who handled Vic’s funeral. Again on a long shot I contacted them, they still had Vic’s records. They where very kind and sent me copies of what they had. The funeral home wrote to my grandfather (my grandfather wasn’t the greatest and never replied, grandma died when Vic was 11 years old. Gramps remarried after his 2nd wife died from the swine flu. Pearl {gramps 3rd wife} didn’t want any of gramps children from my grandmother around and was very abusive) that’s how the family knew Vic died in Oregon. >From the newspaper account Vic had resided in San Francisco prior to moving to Klamath Co., OR a few weeks prior to his death. I believe Vic left San Francisco bet. April – May after his wife death leaving his daughter with his wife’s relatives, possible a home [since he was hitchhiking he didn't have a way to take a child with him. The funeral home records show they did not notify anyone in California. 1938, San Francisco City Directory Victor HENRY, living at 427 9th, no job listed. 1939, San Francisco City Directory Victor L. HENRY, living at 42 Lower Terrace, listed as a gardener. I don’t know who Victor Lawrence Henry b. February 12, 1906 Sevier Co., TN [s/o George Washington Henry & Nora Victoria Matthews] married and it’s a brickwall. Thanks Patti > Patti, Why not start out by telling us all of the information that you do have. Oregon has it own death index that runs from 1903 to 1998. They California birth index should cover the children's births. His wife should be in the pre1940 California death index under her married name. God Bless, Rebekah [email protected] wrote: >I joined the list over 3 years ago in my quest to obtain information on my uncle's marriage in San Francisco. He died in 1939 in Oregon which I believe is where he went shortly after his wife died. They had a daughter that I've been trying to locate but I've need his wife’s maiden name, so I could. Sadly his daughter could never receive any SSI since uncle Vic was never listed on the death records for Social Security, in fact she doesn’t even know he died. ... >Patti

Here is the web site to vote: http://www.partnersinpreservation.com/ From today's San Francisco Chronicle (09-19-06) BAY AREA Historic sites up for funding -- if they get votes Web election pits contestants like Pigeon Point, old streetcar - Carl Nolte, Chronicle Staff Writer Tuesday, September 19, 2006 The future is coming to help the past in a new program that will supply financial assistance to 25 Bay Area historical treasures in a unique approach announced Monday in San Francisco. The program -- jointly sponsored by the National Trust for Historic Preservation and American Express -- comes with a wrinkle. Bay Area residents can vote for worthy projects in an online election right out of the popular "American Idol" television show. The winning projects get to divide $1 million in cash grants. The candidates range from neon signs and streetlights to help brighten San Francisco's Tenderloin area to repairs at the town hall in the rural village of Tomales in western Marin County. The idea of online voting for historic funding has never been used before, said David Brown, executive vice president of the National Trust for Historic Preservation. The idea is straight out of "American Idol," the television show where viewers get to pick artists they like. Online voting can be done at any computer or at kiosks at Peet's coffee outlets around the Bay Area. Anyone can vote once a day. "This is not Chicago,'' Brown said, "but vote early and vote often.'' Polling started Monday at www.partnersinpreservation .com and runs through Oct. 31. Brown said the online voting gives organizations a chance to put their messages before the public and also gauges popular support for various causes. The top vote-getter is guaranteed funding, but exactly how the $1 million pie will be cut up hasn't been determined. The final decision will be made by a panel of experts -- prominent people in the fundraising business. The panel will be chaired by San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom. The panel will weigh both the votes a project gets and the need, Brown said. The 25 candidates -- winnowed from a list of 100 selected by the National Trust and American Express -- include such familiar names as the Pigeon Point Light Station on the San Mateo Coast and the Angel Island Immigration Station as well as such lesser-known landmarks as the Moon Viewing House at Hakone Gardens in Saratoga and the Cleveland Cascade Park, an elaborate cascading fountain in Oakland. One rolling landmark is on the ballot: old No. 798, a streetcar built in San Francisco for the Market Street Railway. "Some of these treasures have been forgotten for years and decades,'' said Alfred Kelly, group president of American Express. He said the Bay Area was "a natural choice'" for the company's first foray into a trust partnership program in part because of its history and in part because it is a hotbed of technology, which makes voting simpler. --------------------------------- On the list San Francisco -- Bayview Opera House -- Fallon Building -- Haas-Lilienthal House -- Japanese YWCA building Market Street Railway car 798 -- Murphy Windmill -- Roxie Film Center -- Spreckels Temple of Music Tenderloin neon sign and facade project Alameda County -- Berkeley City Club -- Cleveland Cascade Park First Christian Science Church (Berkeley) -- Fox Oakland Theater -- Tilden Park carousel Contra Costa County -- Richmond Natatorium -- Maritime Child Care Center Marin County Angel Island Immigration Station -- Lyford House (Tiburon) -- Outdoor Art Club (Mill Valley) -- Tomales Town Hall San Mateo County -- Old county courthouse -- Pigeon Point Light Station Santa Clara County -- Casa Grande (San Jose) Hakone Gardens (Saratoga) Solano County St. Peter's Chapel (Mare Island) E-mail Carl Nolte at [email protected] Page B - 1 URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/09/19/BAGQ1L89AF1.DTL George --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com

George. 1780 onwards Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "mt view" <[email protected]> To: "idnet" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:27 AM Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] FORWARD NAME( family history)/what time period? Ray What time period are you look for? George idnet <[email protected]> wrote: Hello to all, Is it possible to tell me if the above name had anything to do with the lumber industry. If so which company. Many thanks to all Ray Forward ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 15/09/2006

This bio if from the Santa Clara County Biography Project- http://www.santaclararesearch.net/SCBIOS/Fchronicles.html James Forward was associated with the lumber industry........... Best, Carolyn Feroben http://www.santaclararesearch.net/index.html James W Forward Bio-Sawyers- published 1922 SURNAMES: WALKER, PETERS, LYTH --An alert and far-see­ing dairyman who is striking into new paths in the interest of the patronizing public, is James W. For­ward, whose ideal dairy ranch is on the Brokaw Road, northwest of San Jose. He was born near Spokane, Wash., on January 29, 1884, the son of J. A. Forward, a native of Montreal, Can., and a car­penter and builder. He married Miss Edna Walker, a native of Bloomfield, Cal., and a member of the Walker family who were early pioneers at that place, being a daughter of Alonzo and Elizabeth (Peters) Walker. J. A. Forward took up a homestead in Washington, and later came to Santa Rosa; but he remained there for only a short time and then moved back to Washington. In 1891 he came to San Jose; and here James W. Forward attended first the gram­mar and then, for two years, the high school long such a credit to the city. When he started out for himself, James W. For­ward worked for one year in the mills of the Santa Clara Valley Mill & Lumber Company, and after that he learned the carpenter's trade under the direc­tion of his father. Later, he took up a course in drafting and from that he passed on to architecture, which he used in connection with contracting, in which he engaged in for eight years. Next he went to British Columbia and acquired a tract of land, but after three years he returned to San Jose, where he again engaged in contracting; but in 1914 he bought twenty acres of land on the Brokaw Road, north­west of San Jose, and thereon he has since built his home. He planted the land to alfalfa and started a dairy. He commenced in a small way, and at pre­sent he has forty cows, to which he will add from time to time. He sells all the milk direct to the con­sumer, and under his unique method of handling the milking, he has evolved the highest-test milk in the vicinity of San Jose. The cows are milked with machinery, and after passing through a pipe line, the milk is cooled to a very low temperature and deposited in a large tank from which it is bottled, the milk at no time coming in contact with the per­son handling it. The machine and pipe line are taken apart every day and washed and sterilized. Mr. Forward has two feeding pens, each with a . feeding capacity for thirty cows; these pens face each other, so that all the cattle can be fed from the same car­rier. Mr. Forward has a separate milking pen where the cows are taken to be milked, and this pen has a capacity for thirty cows. All that is necessary to increase the capacity of his plant is the addition of another set of feeding pens; the one milking pen will suffice for as many cows as he cares to handle. He also has special cooling rooms and milk rooms. At San Jose, on June 27, 1909, Mr. Forward was married to Miss Leola Lyth, the daughter of Frank and Prudence Lyth who came out to California from Nebraska when she was three years old. Mr. Lyth was a contracting builder. Miss Lyth went to the grammar and the high school, and the San Jose Normal; she then taught school for a short time previous to being married. Two children have been born to this union, Frances and Robert. idnet wrote: >George. >1780 onwards >Ray >----- Original Message ----- >From: "mt view" <[email protected]> >To: "idnet" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:27 AM >Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] FORWARD NAME( family history)/what time period? > > >Ray > > What time period are you look for? > > George > >idnet <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello to all, >Is it possible to tell me if the above name had anything to do with the >lumber industry. >If so which company. > >Many thanks to all >Ray Forward >************************** >Visit SFGenealogy.com! >http://www.sfgenealogy.com > > > > >

1780 in San Francisco? Now I am confused. Rebekah idnet wrote: >George. >1780 onwards >Ray >----- Original Message ----- >From: "mt view" <[email protected]> >To: "idnet" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:27 AM >Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] FORWARD NAME( family history)/what time period? > > >Ray > > What time period are you look for? > > George > >

This bio if from the Santa Clara County Biography Project- http://www.santaclararesearch.net/SCBIOS/Fchronicles.html James Forward was associated with the lumber industry........... Best, Carolyn Feroben http://www.santaclararesearch.net/index.html James W Forward Bio-Sawyers- published 1922 SURNAMES: WALKER, PETERS, LYTH --An alert and far-see­ing dairyman who is striking into new paths in the interest of the patronizing public, is James W. For­ward, whose ideal dairy ranch is on the Brokaw Road, northwest of San Jose. He was born near Spokane, Wash., on January 29, 1884, the son of J. A. Forward, a native of Montreal, Can., and a car­penter and builder. He married Miss Edna Walker, a native of Bloomfield, Cal., and a member of the Walker family who were early pioneers at that place, being a daughter of Alonzo and Elizabeth (Peters) Walker. J. A. Forward took up a homestead in Washington, and later came to Santa Rosa; but he remained there for only a short time and then moved back to Washington. In 1891 he came to San Jose; and here James W. Forward attended first the gram­mar and then, for two years, the high school long such a credit to the city. When he started out for himself, James W. For­ward worked for one year in the mills of the Santa Clara Valley Mill & Lumber Company, and after that he learned the carpenter's trade under the direc­tion of his father. Later, he took up a course in drafting and from that he passed on to architecture, which he used in connection with contracting, in which he engaged in for eight years. Next he went to British Columbia and acquired a tract of land, but after three years he returned to San Jose, where he again engaged in contracting; but in 1914 he bought twenty acres of land on the Brokaw Road, north­west of San Jose, and thereon he has since built his home. He planted the land to alfalfa and started a dairy. He commenced in a small way, and at pre­sent he has forty cows, to which he will add from time to time. He sells all the milk direct to the con­sumer, and under his unique method of handling the milking, he has evolved the highest-test milk in the vicinity of San Jose. The cows are milked with machinery, and after passing through a pipe line, the milk is cooled to a very low temperature and deposited in a large tank from which it is bottled, the milk at no time coming in contact with the per­son handling it. The machine and pipe line are taken apart every day and washed and sterilized. Mr. Forward has two feeding pens, each with a . feeding capacity for thirty cows; these pens face each other, so that all the cattle can be fed from the same car­rier. Mr. Forward has a separate milking pen where the cows are taken to be milked, and this pen has a capacity for thirty cows. All that is necessary to increase the capacity of his plant is the addition of another set of feeding pens; the one milking pen will suffice for as many cows as he cares to handle. He also has special cooling rooms and milk rooms. At San Jose, on June 27, 1909, Mr. Forward was married to Miss Leola Lyth, the daughter of Frank and Prudence Lyth who came out to California from Nebraska when she was three years old. Mr. Lyth was a contracting builder. Miss Lyth went to the grammar and the high school, and the San Jose Normal; she then taught school for a short time previous to being married. Two children have been born to this union, Frances and Robert. idnet wrote: >George. >1780 onwards >Ray >----- Original Message ----- >From: "mt view" <[email protected]> >To: "idnet" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:27 AM >Subject: Re: [CASANFRA] FORWARD NAME( family history)/what time period? > > >Ray > > What time period are you look for? > > George > >idnet <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello to all, >Is it possible to tell me if the above name had anything to do with the >lumber industry. >If so which company. > >Many thanks to all >Ray Forward >************************** >Visit SFGenealogy.com! >http://www.sfgenealogy.com > > > > >

Ray What time period are you look for? George idnet <[email protected]> wrote: Hello to all, Is it possible to tell me if the above name had anything to do with the lumber industry. If so which company. Many thanks to all Ray Forward ************************** Visit SFGenealogy.com! http://www.sfgenealogy.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

Thanks, Judie, I really would like to see what this area looks like. Karen Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations. (Deuteronomy 32:7)

Hello to all, Is it possible to tell me if the above name had anything to do with the lumber industry. If so which company. Many thanks to all Ray Forward