This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JW.2ADI/2158 Message Board Post: I have been seaching for any info on my GrandMother Eva Gertrude parks. I heard she died in Sacramento around 1944 or 1945 and buried in Chico Ca. How would I find an Obit. This info will lead me to my family heritage on my Grandfather's side also

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JW.2ADI/2059.1 Message Board Post: I don't have a picture of thr hospital but I did work there a a sunshine girl in the 60's. Maybe some of my friends or old neighbors might have one I'll ask around.

I am writing to see if someone would find a family members obits in Sacramento county. He lived in Sacramento and his name is Robert James Carrier . He died March 20 2006. He was born maybe Jul 1952 in Virgnia. His father was Robert Clinton Carrier and his mother was Wynona Magnolia Graham. I will be glad to pay for the copying and mailing. I do so apprecate any help.Thank you. Linda Pollock of Idaho ----- Original Message ----- From: <CASACRAM-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <CASACRAM-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 1:00 PM Subject: CASACRAM-D Digest V06 #35

Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:50:57 -0800 > From: "Sandra Harris" <sandrah@ix.netcom.com> > To: CASACRAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: Someone going to the State Library? need copies of very early CA history > > This book cannot be copied, only transcribed. Sorry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mt view [mailto:mt_view2002@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 12:28 PM > To: CASACRAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Someone going to the State Library? need > copies of very early CA > history > > Is someone going to the State Library? I would like > to find out if someone > can look at a couple of records at the State > Library, and let me know if > they can copy the, and the cost.. They are > Biography of first Cal. legislature, [1850]; > Holograph document recording > brief biographical information about individual > legislators from the first > California legislature. ................ Here > is the list of the names > of the men that were there: > Subject Aram, Joseph, 1810-1898. > Subject Baldwin, Drury P. ......................... > > Thanks > > George //////////////////// Hi You may already be aware of it, but if not, many of your Subjects appear in Bancroft's History of California Pioneer Register and Index. Extent of info varies. Do not believe extracts are available on line, but only in paper form. Google using above as entry should give you a wealth of options. Vern D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Schmidt, Mohr, Steinmeyer Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JW.2ADI/820.2.1.1.1.3.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Nothing that would probably interest you. But since this is my family I'll stick with the names that were always used in the family and you can use whichever ones you desire.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JW.2ADI/820.2.1.1.1.3.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Six independent records in agreement? Nahhh, why would I accept that? So, what records do you have documenting Madeline's first name as "Magdalena"?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Schmidt, Mohr Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JW.2ADI/820.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I've contacted the web master at Sacramento County and asked her to put it more clearly so everyone will understand. The cemetery is located at 3329 Point Pleasant Road next to the Point Pleasant church in the south Sacramento County community of Point Pleasant. The mailing address would be 3329 Point Pleasant Road Elk Grove, California 95757 Most researchers familiar with Point Pleasant and it's history would not need this information, but obviously some do.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Schmidt, Mohr Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JW.2ADI/820.2.1.1.1.3.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Granted, but which records do you believe? Take the 1900 census for Sacramento County. Annie Schmidt Steinmeyer is listed on Roll 98, page 209 living with her husband, sister & daughter which in real life was her son in 4 Ward, Sacramento City. But the same census shows her on Roll 98, page 59 living in Franklin Township with her mother. Same name, same birthdate and married. So the question, where was she living? I'm sure you're quite happy doing research in your own way as I am in mine. I will continue to accept census as a secondary source and death records as a primary source although as with the DAR, I try to have three primary source records that agree.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JW.2ADI/820.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I'm sorry, but on your web page you said the cemetery was "next" to the church and proceeded to give the street address of the church — in Elk Grove. Now you say the cemetery is not in Elk Grove. I would agree that we are off topic for the list, but the location of a cemetery in Sacramento County would seem to be an appropriate topic for the list because if there's a web page out there giving the wrong location for the Pt. Pleasant Cemetery, I should think researchers would want to be warned.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JW.2ADI/820.2.1.1.1.3.1.1 Message Board Post: The census is no less primary than a death certificate. Both rely on the knowledge of the informant and the dilligence of the recorder. In both cases, the record needs to be weighed against others to assess its ACCURACY, which is a different issue. One of my grand-uncles was the informant on the death certificates of his mother and two of his siblings. On all three certificates, he gave a different birth date and birth place for his mother. All three were wrong (and all three are in the LDS IGI, looking very official as extracted county records, not patron submissions). The most reliable date is the one given by the woman herself in a pension application. Bottom line: accuracy is independent of whether a record is primary or secondary. Yes, the CADI, as an index, is secondary, but it's an index of primary records, which makes it more likely to be accurate than the "hearsay" of family tradition. But in this case, the CADI agrees with the five census records, so there is no reason to suspect that this particular index entry is erroneous. You're supposed to be able to use a little judgment in assessing the validity of records. The more the records agree, the more validity they have. And when the records disagree with the story, you don't ignore the records, you change the story.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Schmidt Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JW.2ADI/820.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Mailing address. Again, this is not the venue for this type of exchange.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Schmidt, Mohr, Steinmeyer Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JW.2ADI/820.2.1.1.1.3.1 Message Board Post: Although I hate to get sucked into this type of debate, most genealogist recognize the census as a secondary not primary source. As for the death index, it is a secondary source. The actual death certificate would be the primary source.

My Father is buried at Pt Pleasant. It is indeed next to or behind the church actually. It is located at 3329 Point Pleasant Road in Elk Grove. DianaGM@dgmweb.net wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JW.2ADI/820.2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I'm sorry, but on your web page you said the cemetery was "next" to the church and proceeded to give the street address of the church — in Elk Grove. Now you say the cemetery is not in Elk Grove. I would agree that we are off topic for the list, but the location of a cemetery in Sacramento County would seem to be an appropriate topic for the list because if there's a web page out there giving the wrong location for the Pt. Pleasant Cemetery, I should think researchers would want to be warned.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JW.2ADI/820.2.1.1.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Astounding. I use *your* transcription of Point Pleasant Cemetery where you give the address as Elk Grove: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~npmelton/ppcem.htm and you complain to me about the inaccuracies of information on the web and *my* mistake as to the cemetery's location. Is your work that unreliable? As for my web page, it's loaded with documentation, you just won't accept any evidence that disagrees with you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Smith, Schmidt, Thomas Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/JW.2ADI/820.2.1.1.1.3 Message Board Post: I agree that "Lena" is the nickname for Magdalena, but... In the 1880 census, she is Lina SMITH. In the 1900 census, she is Madelane SMITH. In the 1910 census, she is Madeline THOMAS. In the 1920 census, she is Madline THOMAS. In the 1930 census, she is Madeline THOMAS. In the California Death Index, she is Madeline THOMAS. So, I should ignore six primary records in favor of one secondary source? P.S. Madeline is a French spelling of Magdalene, just as SMITH is an Anglicized spelling of SCHMIDT. You may find this page at my web site helpful: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/Ancillary/OnE/Spelling.shtml

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Schmidt, Steinmeyer, Mohr Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JW.2ADI/820.2.1.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Calm down? I'm not even upset. Just tried to explain to you about indexes and census being secondary sources and explain to you what I know about my Schmidt line through living in the family and documentation. As for the address, Elk Grove Post Office delievers mail to both the communities of Franklin and Point Pleasant. However, they are still separate communities. In fact, if you have a good map of Sacramento County it will show Point Pleasant on it. It does concern me as a genealogist that people don't document their work, but just put it on the internet as gospel, but it doesn't upset me. You asked for my reasoning and I gave it to you, however, this forum is probably not the place for this type of exchange so you can feel free to email me at Hauntedrose1949@aol.com if you have other comments on this matter.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JW.2ADI/820.2.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: P.S. Pt. Pleasant Cemetery 3329 Pt. Pleasant Road Elk Grove 95758

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JW.2ADI/820.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Calm down. You'll think more clearly.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Schmidt, Steinmeyer, Mohr Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JW.2ADI/820.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: First, I was able to identify Jan Christoffers Schmidt as the same "John Smith" you have in the census because this is my direct blood lines. I have copies of birth records from Grosswalde, immigration records, marriage records, death records and handwritten Bible records. This is documentation. Census and newspaper indexes and birth and death indexes are NOT documentation. They are secondary sources and you are taking someone else's word that the records state what is in the index. I have been doing genealogy research for myself and others for 40 years and have never accepted online indexes and census as a primary source. I agree the new age of Internet access is great. The danger is many newer researchers take this information as fact and do no further research nor do they back up their research with documenation. Rest assured no one in this Schmidt family ever changed their name to Smith. I still live in the same community this family settled in in the 1870s as do many of their descendants. The church they started is still there. This was an ethnic German community until the 1940s. My father, even though he and both his parents were born here, spoke only Platt Deutsch when he started school. They were proud of their name and their roots and never Americanized it. Another point is Annie's sister was not Madelane as the 1900 census states. Her name was Magdalena, hence the nickname Lena. Also in the 1900 census it lists Henry and Annie's first born as "Alma, July 1899, daughter" and although the month and year are right the child was in fact a son named Elmer. The census is riddled with mistakes. Part of it stems from the fact that the census taker usually spoke only English and the people he or she interviewed did not. Some stems from the fact that people didn't understand the question or didn't want to answer it for whatever reason. Sometimes the family wasn't home and the information was gleaned from a neighbor. As for the San Francisco call index, again great secondary source. I use it frequently to find documentation. But again, unless you have the marriage record in hand you can only state from that index that at the time of her marriage Anna Eckmann's last name was Eckmann. The index doesn't state if that was a maiden name or not. Nor does it state if Anna was a first or middle name as many people used their middle name frequently because the person they were named after was still living and this avoided confusion. To know whether or not she was married before you need to see the original marriage record. As for the 0/0 in the census. That too isn't always true. Many times I've seen that in a census when I already have birth records for children of that mother. If you are relying on one census to determine Henry was adopted then you are making a mistake. Before anyone should state that for sure, they need to be able to back it up with documentation. Also on your web site you list the Point Pleasant Cemetery as in Elk Grove, but it is in Point Pleasant. I notice you took you information regarding the cemetery from the reading I did for the Sacramento genweb site. But again, in transcribing, typing, etc. I could have made a mistake. You need to visit these places and find these documents yourself to make sure there were mistakes made. I understand this is not your blood line so you are happy with what you have and don't want to persue it further. However, it is my bloodline and I don't like people to post mistakes about it. And though you state your work on this line is finished, you have left information that is either incorrect or not proven for someone else to come along and take as fact.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Steinmeyer, Eckman, Eckmann Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/JW.2ADI/820.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: The evidence I have for Henry Louis STEINMEYER being adopted is indirect. We first see Henry at age 4 in the 1880 census of Sacramento, CA (Roll 71, p. 84C), living with Frederick W. STEINMEYER and his wife, Anna. Henry's relationship is given as "Adpt Son." As the Relationship field is supposed to relate to the head-of-household, this makes it clear that Henry is not Frederick's biological son, but it does not rule out that he might be Anna's son from a prior marriage, though usually in such a case he would be called a step-son, rather than an adopted son. By the 1900 census, Henry is married and living with his wife. We find Frederick & Anna still living in Sacramento, CA (Roll 98, p. 184B), and living with them is Frederick's widowed mother-in-law, Catherine ECKMAN. Assuming Catherine had not remarried after birthing Anna, we have tentatively determined that Anna's maiden name is ECKMAN. In the "San Francisco Call" newspaper, there is a mention of the 1873 marriage of Fred. Wm. STEINMEYER & Anna ECKMANN, so indeed, ECKMAN/ECKMANN is Anna's maiden name. What this marriage record also tells us is that Anna did not have a prior marriage (unless it was to another ECKMANN!), so unless Henry is her illegitimate son, he is her adopted son, too. Also of importance in the 1900 census is that Anna gives her child-birthing status as "0|0," meaning zero children born (so obviously, zero children surviving). In my opinion, the weight of evidence here overwhelmingly supports that Henry was adopted. Of course, we still want direct evidence, not just indirect evidence, so I would search the records in Sacramento County for the guardianship/adoption papers for Henry. If we're very lucky, they will name at least one of his parents. Am I going to do it? No, because I'm not a descendant of Henry. My work on this line is finished.