In a message dated 10/26/2003 10:49:07 AM Central Standard Time, Cecinit@aol.com writes: My grandfather, Clyde Helm (b Crittenden IL 1881) had two Carter grandmothers: Sarah Carter Stanley, whose lineage goes back thru Quaker Carters to North Carolina, Northern Virginia, and early Quaker settlement in PA -- well documented, My Carters also go back to an early Quaker settlement in Pennsylvania. Jeremiah Carter and Mary (unknown)