I posted this message when Rootsweb was down. I learned from another list that all messages posted during that time were lost, so if anyone did happen to receive this before, please forgive the duplicate...... Haven't posted this dilemma for awhile, so I'll try again. John and Frances (Kibler) Carter were married in Jasper Co. Illinois in 1860. They moved to Newton County Missouri sometime between 1878 and 1880. 1880 Oldest daughter, Mary, was married to Benjamin Turner, living in Newton County. Daughter Jane, born about 1863, was possibly living with and employed by the Parker family in Newtonia. Other children: Elizabeth (or Ann), Emma, Bertha ("Carrie"), George and David were at home. 1881 John Carter died in August in Newton County MO. Daughter Ida Mae was born in Dec. of 1881. 1883 Frances married Henry Clapper in McDonald Co. MO. Emma married Henry's son, Calvin Clapper. 1885 April - Frances divorced Henry. May - Marriage license for Frances Carter and William A. Baldridge in Jasper Co. MO. June - James CARTER, son of Frances and ??, was born in Arkansas. (per 1900 census) 1895 "Carrie" lived in Reno County KS, married John Koontz in 1892. Mary was in Iowa, married George Wheeler in 1890. Emma was still in MO. I cannot find Frances or any of the other children. 1900 James was living with his sister Mary in Douglas County KS. Ida reappeared in Reno Co. and married Frank Sutton in 1900. John and Carrie Koontz were still in Reno Co., near Hutchinson KS. I could not find anyone else in 1900 census index. 1910 George seems to have appeared in Reno County KS, married Daisy Bell in 1906. 1920 Lost George, but found David living in Denver, CO with his wife Luella ("Lulu") and children Gladys and Earl. (Earl was born in 1904 in Colorado.) MISSING: Frances - Can't find her after 1885. Almost positive that she died before 1900, possibly before 1890. Jane and Elizabeth/Ann (depending on the census)- Can't find any marriage or death records that even look like a good possibility. George and James - One of them apparently died in WWI. Family stories: Carrie, my grandmother, was said to have been raised by an uncle in Texas. (Possibly Emanuel Kibler) Ida's grandsons said they had never heard anything about Texas at all. They said Carrie "raised" Ida after Frances died, but Ida was not with John and Carrie Koontz in the 1895 Reno Co. KS census. (There is, however, a photo of Ida, James, and Carrie that was taken about 1895.) Ida's grandsons also have information that one of the brothers was killed at the Battle of Argonne in WWI, but no name. If anything about this family sounds familiar at all, I would love to hear from you! Thanks, Nancy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com