Hi Shirley, Maybe we are related? I am a Carson from an Irish descendency. My Carson great grandfather came to Nanaimo, British Columbia, in 1909 from Ayrshire, Scotland, where his family had lived and worked as coal miners since 1801 when they had arrived from Ireland. My earliest known ancestor is Robert Carson born in Ireland in the late 1700's. I don't know where. He married Mary Neil, also born in Ireland, sometime prior to 1802. I have a fairly substantial descendency tree from there. The family were Protestants, and in 1909 were members of the Orange Lodge, so likely they could have been Ulsters back in the 1700's. Robert was a linen weaver. I live in Vancouver, by the way just in case you live in the area. If any of this sounds familiar to anyone, let me know and I can provide more details. I would love it if anyone can help me get over the great Irish abyss in information. I've been stuck here for a while. Elaine Carson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [CARSON] WILLIAM CARSON > Thank you, Josette, for stating this. I have enjoyed reading this > discussion. > > It is so tempting to look for ways to confirm what you suspect - > especially when the searching gets frustrating. I am not involved in > the DNA research and am somewhat cautious as to its actual value. My > scepticism always leads me to wonder if the most vigorous proponents of > anything might have a financial benefit from it. Also, it is sad to see > people given information that makes them optimistic/excited about > something when it is not really accurate. > > There are many of us who are finding dead ends in our Irish research - > but we keep trying - perhaps somewhere there is a tiny bit of > information that will help. > > Personally, I am having some difficulty with William Carson (born abt > 1787 in Fermanagh) and his wife Ann (born about 1787 in Leitrim). Many > of us here in Canada are descendents of this couple - as well as many > who are now in the U.S. And, as most of us have discovered, the Carson > families did not show much originality in naming their children. > > Shirley Carson Johnson > British Columbia, Canada > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Josette L. Maxwell > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:57 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CARSON] WILLIAM CARSON > > > Several years ago - seven/eight? - when this Alexander Harvey Carson > "line" was set forth, a number of the Carson researchers (with decades > of experience in genealogy) managed to track down the originator of the > information - a guy in Arizona. He was repeatedly contacted and asked > for evidence/documentation/verification of the information cited by him. > He absolutely refused to do so. Further, people started trying to verify > themselves and there exists nothing that supports his whole myth in > terms of linage although there was information on specific individuals > at specific times, i.e. there was a Rev. Alexander Carson (if I remember > correctly) who was in Scotland at one time. > > Genealogy data without evidence/documentation is mythology. > > With reference to the DNA testing, you can independently verify via > internet research that the process they are using can only establish a > linkage going back three or four generations, if that. The other form of > DNA testing is more accurate. Since everyone in the world (according to > some archeaologistis and geneticists) go back to "Lucy", you're bound to > find some linkages. With respect to establishing genalogical proof, it > is totally worthless. It's a waste of money and basically takes your > time and money from pursuing real genealogy research. > > I cannot tell you how many people write me telling me that they are part > of the Henry Maxwell/Agness Carson line (which goes > back to 1725) because of the DNA testing. We have everyone, and I mean > everyone documented, proven beyond doubt. And, > they keep writing back and saying but the DNA proves it. It > is really totally worthless. > > If you look at family search data, you can see the "carsons" who are > from the nordic countries (spelled slightly differently, converted or > rather angelized to Carson). There is also an Italian line. > > People always look for shortcuts to the plodding required in genealogy > research. And, sometimes you hit a dead end and it is really a dead > end. I cannot get Walter and Agness Carson or Samuel and Jane Carson > back to Scotland/Ireland nor can I get HEnry Maxwell back. I suspect > that will always be the case. The records just aren't there. > > Josette > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Stephanie Carson Feldman <[email protected]> >>Sent: Oct 8, 2006 12:00 PM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [CARSON] WILLIAM CARSON >> >>Josette, >>I also have seen the Alexander Harvery Carson. Do you >>know what source records prompted this? There must be something to >>have started it, though I'm sure the internet has propagated it. >> >>Are there male Carsons of this line around today? I'd >>love to have more people participate in the DNA >>studies. They have a 67 marker test now that can >>bring the generations down to a much smaller number. >> >>Stephanie >> >>--- "Josette L. Maxwell" <[email protected]> >>wrote: >>> There is absolutely no evidence/documentation of any relationship >>> to the "Alexander Carson" line, if indeed it is a >>> line. It's been >>> discredited many times. >>_______________________________________________ >>CARSON mailing list >>[email protected] >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _______________________________________________ > CARSON mailing list > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > _______________________________________________ > CARSON mailing list > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message