Several years ago - seven/eight? - when this Alexander Harvey Carson "line" was set forth, a number of the Carson researchers (with decades of experience in genealogy) managed to track down the originator of the information - a guy in Arizona. He was repeatedly contacted and asked for evidence/documentation/verification of the information cited by him. He absolutely refused to do so. Further, people started trying to verify themselves and there exists nothing that supports his whole myth in terms of linage although there was information on specific individuals at specific times, i.e. there was a Rev. Alexander Carson (if I remember correctly) who was in Scotland at one time. Genealogy data without evidence/documentation is mythology. With reference to the DNA testing, you can independently verify via internet research that the process they are using can only establish a linkage going back three or four generations, if that. The other form of DNA testing is more accurate. Since everyone in the world (according to some archeaologistis and geneticists) go back to "Lucy", you're bound to find some linkages. With respect to establishing genalogical proof, it is totally worthless. It's a waste of money and basically takes your time and money from pursuing real genealogy research. I cannot tell you how many people write me telling me that they are part of the Henry Maxwell/Agness Carson line (which goes back to 1725) because of the DNA testing. We have everyone, and I mean everyone documented, proven beyond doubt. And, they keep writing back and saying but the DNA proves it. It is really totally worthless. If you look at family search data, you can see the "carsons" who are from the nordic countries (spelled slightly differently, converted or rather angelized to Carson). There is also an Italian line. People always look for shortcuts to the plodding required in genealogy research. And, sometimes you hit a dead end and it is really a dead end. I cannot get Walter and Agness Carson or Samuel and Jane Carson back to Scotland/Ireland nor can I get HEnry Maxwell back. I suspect that will always be the case. The records just aren't there. Josette -----Original Message----- >From: Stephanie Carson Feldman <[email protected]> >Sent: Oct 8, 2006 12:00 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CARSON] WILLIAM CARSON > >Josette, >I also have seen the Alexander Harvery Carson. Do you >know what source records prompted this? There must be >something to have started it, though I'm sure the >internet has propagated it. > >Are there male Carsons of this line around today? I'd >love to have more people participate in the DNA >studies. They have a 67 marker test now that can >bring the generations down to a much smaller number. > >Stephanie > >--- "Josette L. Maxwell" <[email protected]> >wrote: >> There is absolutely no evidence/documentation of any >> relationship >> to the "Alexander Carson" line, if indeed it is a >> line. It's been >> discredited many times. >_______________________________________________ >CARSON mailing list >[email protected] > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Josette, Thank you so much for the information. Confirming a match three generations back is EXCELLENT! If you could confirm one 6 or 7 back that would be enough to tie lines together very closely. This can never replace research! Don't think that! But if you find you have a match to someone approximately 8 generations back and others 30 generations back, you now know to stop looking to connect certain families. I have found that you can do a lot of research and connect what you can and THEN all that seems to be left is the process of elimination. DNA can help there. Groups of Carson research are already being divided up by the DNA evidence. I doubt I'll be able to convince you that this is another method to go, but I hope others decide to make their own decision. For what it's worth, a lot of people do not understand DNA research, and I am only a beginner. But if you have a 12 marker match, that common ancestor can be 24 generations back or so (I don't know the approximate number). The paper trail would still need to be found, but maybe it could be traced nack farther on ONE of those lines, this would help the others. My Uriah Carson is done with paper trails. He was dropped by UFO about 1743. Family legend says to look to William & Eleanor (McDuff) Carson. Their children are accounted for, but maybe he can be traced back farther. Stephanie --- "Josette L. Maxwell" <[email protected]> wrote: > Several years ago - seven/eight? - when this > Alexander Harvey > Carson "line" was set forth, a number of the Carson > researchers > (with decades of experience in genealogy) managed to > track down > the originator of the information - a guy in > Arizona. He was repeatedly > contacted and asked for > evidence/documentation/verification of > the information cited by him. He absolutely refused > to do so. > Further, people started trying to verify themselves > and there exists > nothing that supports his whole myth in terms of > linage although > there was information on specific individuals at > specific times, i.e. > there was a Rev. Alexander Carson (if I remember > correctly) > who was in Scotland at one time. > > Genealogy data without evidence/documentation is > mythology. > > With reference to the DNA testing, you can > independently verify > via internet research that the process they are > using can only > establish a linkage going back three or four > generations, if that. > The other form of DNA testing is more accurate. > Since everyone > in the world (according to some archeaologistis and > geneticists) > go back to "Lucy", you're bound to find some > linkages. With > respect to establishing genalogical proof, it is > totally worthless. > It's a waste of money and basically takes your time > and money > from pursuing real genealogy research. > > I cannot tell you how many people write me telling > me that they > are part of the Henry Maxwell/Agness Carson line > (which goes > back to 1725) because of the DNA testing. We have > everyone, > and I mean everyone documented, proven beyond doubt. > And, > they keep writing back and saying but the DNA proves > it. It > is really totally worthless. > > If you look at family search data, you can see the > "carsons" who > are from the nordic countries (spelled slightly > differently, converted > or rather angelized to Carson). There is also an > Italian line. > > People always look for shortcuts to the plodding > required in > genealogy research. And, sometimes you hit a dead > end and > it is really a dead end. I cannot get Walter and > Agness Carson > or Samuel and Jane Carson back to Scotland/Ireland > nor can > I get HEnry Maxwell back. I suspect that will > always be the case. > The records just aren't there. > > Josette > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Stephanie Carson Feldman > <[email protected]> > >Sent: Oct 8, 2006 12:00 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [CARSON] WILLIAM CARSON > > > >Josette, > >I also have seen the Alexander Harvery Carson. Do > you > >know what source records prompted this? There must > be > >something to have started it, though I'm sure the > >internet has propagated it. > > > >Are there male Carsons of this line around today? > I'd > >love to have more people participate in the DNA > >studies. They have a 67 marker test now that can > >bring the generations down to a much smaller > number. > > > >Stephanie > > > >--- "Josette L. Maxwell" <[email protected]> > >wrote: > >> There is absolutely no evidence/documentation of > any > >> relationship > >> to the "Alexander Carson" line, if indeed it is a > >> line. It's been > >> discredited many times. > >_______________________________________________ > >CARSON mailing list > >[email protected] > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > _______________________________________________ > CARSON mailing list > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >
Thank you, Josette, for stating this. I have enjoyed reading this discussion. It is so tempting to look for ways to confirm what you suspect - especially when the searching gets frustrating. I am not involved in the DNA research and am somewhat cautious as to its actual value. My scepticism always leads me to wonder if the most vigorous proponents of anything might have a financial benefit from it. Also, it is sad to see people given information that makes them optimistic/excited about something when it is not really accurate. There are many of us who are finding dead ends in our Irish research - but we keep trying - perhaps somewhere there is a tiny bit of information that will help. Personally, I am having some difficulty with William Carson (born abt 1787 in Fermanagh) and his wife Ann (born about 1787 in Leitrim). Many of us here in Canada are descendents of this couple - as well as many who are now in the U.S. And, as most of us have discovered, the Carson families did not show much originality in naming their children. Shirley Carson Johnson British Columbia, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josette L. Maxwell Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CARSON] WILLIAM CARSON Several years ago - seven/eight? - when this Alexander Harvey Carson "line" was set forth, a number of the Carson researchers (with decades of experience in genealogy) managed to track down the originator of the information - a guy in Arizona. He was repeatedly contacted and asked for evidence/documentation/verification of the information cited by him. He absolutely refused to do so. Further, people started trying to verify themselves and there exists nothing that supports his whole myth in terms of linage although there was information on specific individuals at specific times, i.e. there was a Rev. Alexander Carson (if I remember correctly) who was in Scotland at one time. Genealogy data without evidence/documentation is mythology. With reference to the DNA testing, you can independently verify via internet research that the process they are using can only establish a linkage going back three or four generations, if that. The other form of DNA testing is more accurate. Since everyone in the world (according to some archeaologistis and geneticists) go back to "Lucy", you're bound to find some linkages. With respect to establishing genalogical proof, it is totally worthless. It's a waste of money and basically takes your time and money from pursuing real genealogy research. I cannot tell you how many people write me telling me that they are part of the Henry Maxwell/Agness Carson line (which goes back to 1725) because of the DNA testing. We have everyone, and I mean everyone documented, proven beyond doubt. And, they keep writing back and saying but the DNA proves it. It is really totally worthless. If you look at family search data, you can see the "carsons" who are from the nordic countries (spelled slightly differently, converted or rather angelized to Carson). There is also an Italian line. People always look for shortcuts to the plodding required in genealogy research. And, sometimes you hit a dead end and it is really a dead end. I cannot get Walter and Agness Carson or Samuel and Jane Carson back to Scotland/Ireland nor can I get HEnry Maxwell back. I suspect that will always be the case. The records just aren't there. Josette -----Original Message----- >From: Stephanie Carson Feldman <[email protected]> >Sent: Oct 8, 2006 12:00 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CARSON] WILLIAM CARSON > >Josette, >I also have seen the Alexander Harvery Carson. Do you >know what source records prompted this? There must be something to >have started it, though I'm sure the internet has propagated it. > >Are there male Carsons of this line around today? I'd >love to have more people participate in the DNA >studies. They have a 67 marker test now that can >bring the generations down to a much smaller number. > >Stephanie > >--- "Josette L. Maxwell" <[email protected]> >wrote: >> There is absolutely no evidence/documentation of any relationship >> to the "Alexander Carson" line, if indeed it is a >> line. It's been >> discredited many times. >_______________________________________________ >CARSON mailing list >[email protected] > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _______________________________________________ CARSON mailing list [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Josette L. Maxwell wrote: > Several years ago - seven/eight? - when this Alexander Harvey > Carson "line" was set forth, a number of the Carson researchers > (with decades of experience in genealogy) managed to track down > the originator of the information - a guy in Arizona. He was repeatedly > contacted and asked for evidence/documentation/verification of > the information cited by him. He absolutely refused to do so. > Further, people started trying to verify themselves and there exists > nothing that supports his whole myth in terms of linage although > there was information on specific individuals at specific times, i.e. > there was a Rev. Alexander Carson (if I remember correctly) > who was in Scotland at one time. Can you be more specific? What are the names of the people, including the one in Arizona; what publications contain their results? -- Thomas M. Sommers -- [email protected] -- AB2SB