Gary, I believe that I have talked to you before and did not respond due to leaving for FLA . Refresh my memory, have we discussed this before and did you ask me to give you other surnames of CO-lateral families? Patricia

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Carson DNA Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DiH.2ACEB/1753.1 Message Board Post: What is involved? my father is a Carson, but through his grandmother, she never married, does this count? Also, how much is the test?

Patricia, Margaret Carson married John Reed in Guilford NC 1779 (bondsman William Carson). She was born 1762 according to some family trees I've seen. I think she may be a daughter of one of my Carson line. In Lancaster PA, Robert Carson married Margaret Woods 1755, William Carson married Margaret McCord 1760, and David Carson married Sarah Woods 1753 and all moved from PA to Caswell/Orange NC 1760s-1770s along with Moses Carson - Elizabeth Hannah (a Woods inlaw). Robert then shows up in Guilford 1777-1779 near near some Woods and Hannah inlaws. There was also a John Carson near them earlier that is possibly connected. When William died in 1790, he mentions oldest daughter Jennet and second daughter Mary. He doesn't mention a daughter Margaret. I speculate Robert/Margaret might be her parents. All of these Carsons moved to Washington/Greene TN by the 1780s. In Guilford NC (Buffalo Presbyterian church) Mary Carson married James Bell and Elizabeth Carson married Thomas Bell. They both also moved to TN and were near the Carsons. The circumstantial findings suggest these were daughters of David Carson and Sarah Woods. They had a daughter Mary born 1756 back in Lancaster PA. They also had an oldest daughter Margaret born 1754 (too old to be the one marrying John Reed if she was born 1762). Gary

Any Reed/Reid in this group? Patricia

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DiH.2ACEB/1756 Message Board Post: I am interested in finding out if Edward Haskell Carson is still alive and where he might be living. I am researching Edward's family and I would like to get in touch with him. Edward's parents were Thomas Craig Carson and Sarah Survilla Thomas. I found the following children listed for Edward Haskell Carson and his wife in the Texas Birth Index, 1903 - 1997: Edward Craig Carson (born in Ector Co., TX), Deborah Laverne Carson (born in El Paso Co., TX) and Johnny Haskell Carson (born in El Paso Co, TX). Any help would be appreciated.

Anyone have any idea or information related to the transition of any with the Carson surname to McCarson ? Thanks, Eugene Summers Madisonville, KY ----- Original Message ----- This Email has been scanned for viruses, courtesy of Tnets.net

Geri, Anyone can see the results to date. I'm working on getting pedigrees listed for all that have done the DNA test. You would not be able to match with the test results unless you had a brother of Lucy and a male Carson descendant from him who could do a test. Do take a look. We're working on adding some source documentation for the different Carson lines on the Forum for the Carson discussion page. http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/c/carson/index.html Best regards, Stephanie --- Geri Baze <[email protected]> wrote: > I, too, am a Carson descendent. My g-grandmother > was Lucy Carson (b. > mid-1800s), married to John Robert Eldridge. I > understand that my Lucy > Carson was a niece to Christopher Kit Carson, but I > haven't > substantiated that yet. Where, if possible, might I > go to access the > DNA results page? Is it possible for any Carson > descendent to access > it? Thanks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Stephanie Carson Feldman > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 12:02 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CARSON] Carson DNA[Scanned] > > I just wanted to state that neither Gary or I gain > any > money from this DNA research! Gary is just as he > states and I answered the call to be a > co-coordinator > for the site, seeing as I was born a Carson. I have > been emailing those who have done their DNA and put > their pedigrees on line and worked with Terry Barton > to update the DNA results page. I've also started > working on adding some source material to those > lines > that have already been tested. > > Gain money from this, hmm, I hesitate to assign a > number to how much time and money I've put into my > own > research, several thousand I am sure. Gained money? > > Not one time! Gained answers, ancestors, cousins, > and > friends? Plenty! > _______________________________________________ > CARSON mailing list > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _______________________________________________ > CARSON mailing list > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

I, too, am a Carson descendent. My g-grandmother was Lucy Carson (b. mid-1800s), married to John Robert Eldridge. I understand that my Lucy Carson was a niece to Christopher Kit Carson, but I haven't substantiated that yet. Where, if possible, might I go to access the DNA results page? Is it possible for any Carson descendent to access it? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephanie Carson Feldman Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 12:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CARSON] Carson DNA[Scanned] I just wanted to state that neither Gary or I gain any money from this DNA research! Gary is just as he states and I answered the call to be a co-coordinator for the site, seeing as I was born a Carson. I have been emailing those who have done their DNA and put their pedigrees on line and worked with Terry Barton to update the DNA results page. I've also started working on adding some source material to those lines that have already been tested. Gain money from this, hmm, I hesitate to assign a number to how much time and money I've put into my own research, several thousand I am sure. Gained money? Not one time! Gained answers, ancestors, cousins, and friends? Plenty! _______________________________________________ CARSON mailing list [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DiH.2ACEB/1310.2.2 Message Board Post: Diane, The Thomas Carson/Mary Smith line in Washington PA was an exact match with my YDNA results. My Carson line was in Lancaster PA 1740-1760 then moved to NC, TN and back to NC. Later, many ended up in TX and CA. What do you have for Thomas' ancestors in PA (or prior)? I guess we connect somewhere way back. Gary

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bratton, Hunt Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DiH.2ACEB/1310.2.1 Message Board Post: Do you have any additional information on Jacob Bratton? I am looking for information on a Jacob Bratton from OH in the 1840s. Thanks!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Holmes, Carson, Norton, Helfenstein, Riley, Knight, Egan Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DiH.2ACEB/1749.1.2 Message Board Post: Sadly, I know of no Carson male descendants carrying the name of Carson. The last one died a couple years ago. I wonder if that means my quest is hopeless. I have a newsclipping with photos from the Boston Globe when they had their fiftieth anniversary in 1939. And I have William's job record with the City of Boston and his immigration papers. I guess if I were smarter I could do better with those clues. Thanks for your note. Sandy holmes

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Holmes, Carson, Norton, Helfenstein, Riley, Knight, Egan Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/DiH.2ACEB/1749.1.1 Message Board Post: Sadly, I know of no Carson male descendants carrying the name of Carson. The last one died a couple years ago. I wonder if that means my quest is hopeless. I have a newsclipping with photos from the Boston Globe when they had their fiftieth anniversary in 1939. And I have William's job record with the City of Boston and his immigration papers. I guess if I were smarter I could do better with those clues. Thanks for your note. Sandy holmes

Hi Josette, I've found doing the 37 marker YDNA (after years of research) to be extremely valuable in establishing a link to two other descendants from the I (Nordic) Carsons. Fortunately, these were exact matches (so far). It is helping to narrow down the locations to research. It also eliminated some other Carson lines as being biologically closely related even though some were in the same areas. I've found that doing the YDNA is like having a telephone. A telephone is useless unless enough other people have one to make a connection. The same goes for the YDNA. The more that do it, the more possible links. I'm still researching regardless. Gary

Several years ago - seven/eight? - when this Alexander Harvey Carson "line" was set forth, a number of the Carson researchers (with decades of experience in genealogy) managed to track down the originator of the information - a guy in Arizona. He was repeatedly contacted and asked for evidence/documentation/verification of the information cited by him. He absolutely refused to do so. Further, people started trying to verify themselves and there exists nothing that supports his whole myth in terms of linage although there was information on specific individuals at specific times, i.e. there was a Rev. Alexander Carson (if I remember correctly) who was in Scotland at one time. Genealogy data without evidence/documentation is mythology. With reference to the DNA testing, you can independently verify via internet research that the process they are using can only establish a linkage going back three or four generations, if that. The other form of DNA testing is more accurate. Since everyone in the world (according to some archeaologistis and geneticists) go back to "Lucy", you're bound to find some linkages. With respect to establishing genalogical proof, it is totally worthless. It's a waste of money and basically takes your time and money from pursuing real genealogy research. I cannot tell you how many people write me telling me that they are part of the Henry Maxwell/Agness Carson line (which goes back to 1725) because of the DNA testing. We have everyone, and I mean everyone documented, proven beyond doubt. And, they keep writing back and saying but the DNA proves it. It is really totally worthless. If you look at family search data, you can see the "carsons" who are from the nordic countries (spelled slightly differently, converted or rather angelized to Carson). There is also an Italian line. People always look for shortcuts to the plodding required in genealogy research. And, sometimes you hit a dead end and it is really a dead end. I cannot get Walter and Agness Carson or Samuel and Jane Carson back to Scotland/Ireland nor can I get HEnry Maxwell back. I suspect that will always be the case. The records just aren't there. Josette -----Original Message----- >From: Stephanie Carson Feldman <[email protected]> >Sent: Oct 8, 2006 12:00 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CARSON] WILLIAM CARSON > >Josette, >I also have seen the Alexander Harvery Carson. Do you >know what source records prompted this? There must be >something to have started it, though I'm sure the >internet has propagated it. > >Are there male Carsons of this line around today? I'd >love to have more people participate in the DNA >studies. They have a 67 marker test now that can >bring the generations down to a much smaller number. > >Stephanie > >--- "Josette L. Maxwell" <[email protected]> >wrote: >> There is absolutely no evidence/documentation of any >> relationship >> to the "Alexander Carson" line, if indeed it is a >> line. It's been >> discredited many times. >_______________________________________________ >CARSON mailing list >[email protected] > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just wanted to state that neither Gary or I gain any money from this DNA research! Gary is just as he states and I answered the call to be a co-coordinator for the site, seeing as I was born a Carson. I have been emailing those who have done their DNA and put their pedigrees on line and worked with Terry Barton to update the DNA results page. I've also started working on adding some source material to those lines that have already been tested. Gain money from this, hmm, I hesitate to assign a number to how much time and money I've put into my own research, several thousand I am sure. Gained money? Not one time! Gained answers, ancestors, cousins, and friends? Plenty!

Hi Carolyn, My YDNA test results show a perfect match to a descendant (Mary Ann and her brother Michael who did the test) of your John Carson who came to SC in 1767 and moved to Hardin Co KY. I also matched another one in PA whose ancestor connects back to Alexander Harvey Carson, which is consistent with some things I've uncovered. Alexander Harvey Carson supposedly moved from Scotland to northern Ireland, then went back to Scotland. Some say he was born in the 1780s and some say 1760s. AH Carson is said to have been a Presbyterian minister. Some of his sons and grandsons came to PA (Lancaster and York counties) in the early 1700s. My ancestor would be a grandson of AH Carson. My ancestor was one of a group of his grandsons (David, William, Robert, John, Moses, Alexander and James all born 1730s) who moved from Lancaster PA down to NC then some went to TN. I don't yet know which which belongs to which father. I think David, William, Robert and John were brothers (one of these would be my 5g grandfather), and I think Moses, Alexander and James may have been brothers and cousins of the others. What information do you have on these lines? Gary In a message dated 10/8/2006 8:07:32 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Gary, Do you have any information on your family back in either Ireland or Scotland? Our family is from the John Carson who came to SC in 1767, and like many, we have the legend of being related to Kit Carson. It seems to me that the connection has to be made in Ireland or Scotland. Carolyn Carson Greencastle, IN

Thank you, Josette, for stating this. I have enjoyed reading this discussion. It is so tempting to look for ways to confirm what you suspect - especially when the searching gets frustrating. I am not involved in the DNA research and am somewhat cautious as to its actual value. My scepticism always leads me to wonder if the most vigorous proponents of anything might have a financial benefit from it. Also, it is sad to see people given information that makes them optimistic/excited about something when it is not really accurate. There are many of us who are finding dead ends in our Irish research - but we keep trying - perhaps somewhere there is a tiny bit of information that will help. Personally, I am having some difficulty with William Carson (born abt 1787 in Fermanagh) and his wife Ann (born about 1787 in Leitrim). Many of us here in Canada are descendents of this couple - as well as many who are now in the U.S. And, as most of us have discovered, the Carson families did not show much originality in naming their children. Shirley Carson Johnson British Columbia, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Josette L. Maxwell Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CARSON] WILLIAM CARSON Several years ago - seven/eight? - when this Alexander Harvey Carson "line" was set forth, a number of the Carson researchers (with decades of experience in genealogy) managed to track down the originator of the information - a guy in Arizona. He was repeatedly contacted and asked for evidence/documentation/verification of the information cited by him. He absolutely refused to do so. Further, people started trying to verify themselves and there exists nothing that supports his whole myth in terms of linage although there was information on specific individuals at specific times, i.e. there was a Rev. Alexander Carson (if I remember correctly) who was in Scotland at one time. Genealogy data without evidence/documentation is mythology. With reference to the DNA testing, you can independently verify via internet research that the process they are using can only establish a linkage going back three or four generations, if that. The other form of DNA testing is more accurate. Since everyone in the world (according to some archeaologistis and geneticists) go back to "Lucy", you're bound to find some linkages. With respect to establishing genalogical proof, it is totally worthless. It's a waste of money and basically takes your time and money from pursuing real genealogy research. I cannot tell you how many people write me telling me that they are part of the Henry Maxwell/Agness Carson line (which goes back to 1725) because of the DNA testing. We have everyone, and I mean everyone documented, proven beyond doubt. And, they keep writing back and saying but the DNA proves it. It is really totally worthless. If you look at family search data, you can see the "carsons" who are from the nordic countries (spelled slightly differently, converted or rather angelized to Carson). There is also an Italian line. People always look for shortcuts to the plodding required in genealogy research. And, sometimes you hit a dead end and it is really a dead end. I cannot get Walter and Agness Carson or Samuel and Jane Carson back to Scotland/Ireland nor can I get HEnry Maxwell back. I suspect that will always be the case. The records just aren't there. Josette -----Original Message----- >From: Stephanie Carson Feldman <[email protected]> >Sent: Oct 8, 2006 12:00 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CARSON] WILLIAM CARSON > >Josette, >I also have seen the Alexander Harvery Carson. Do you >know what source records prompted this? There must be something to >have started it, though I'm sure the internet has propagated it. > >Are there male Carsons of this line around today? I'd >love to have more people participate in the DNA >studies. They have a 67 marker test now that can >bring the generations down to a much smaller number. > >Stephanie > >--- "Josette L. Maxwell" <[email protected]> >wrote: >> There is absolutely no evidence/documentation of any relationship >> to the "Alexander Carson" line, if indeed it is a >> line. It's been >> discredited many times. >_______________________________________________ >CARSON mailing list >[email protected] > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _______________________________________________ CARSON mailing list [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Josette, Thank you so much for the information. Confirming a match three generations back is EXCELLENT! If you could confirm one 6 or 7 back that would be enough to tie lines together very closely. This can never replace research! Don't think that! But if you find you have a match to someone approximately 8 generations back and others 30 generations back, you now know to stop looking to connect certain families. I have found that you can do a lot of research and connect what you can and THEN all that seems to be left is the process of elimination. DNA can help there. Groups of Carson research are already being divided up by the DNA evidence. I doubt I'll be able to convince you that this is another method to go, but I hope others decide to make their own decision. For what it's worth, a lot of people do not understand DNA research, and I am only a beginner. But if you have a 12 marker match, that common ancestor can be 24 generations back or so (I don't know the approximate number). The paper trail would still need to be found, but maybe it could be traced nack farther on ONE of those lines, this would help the others. My Uriah Carson is done with paper trails. He was dropped by UFO about 1743. Family legend says to look to William & Eleanor (McDuff) Carson. Their children are accounted for, but maybe he can be traced back farther. Stephanie --- "Josette L. Maxwell" <[email protected]> wrote: > Several years ago - seven/eight? - when this > Alexander Harvey > Carson "line" was set forth, a number of the Carson > researchers > (with decades of experience in genealogy) managed to > track down > the originator of the information - a guy in > Arizona. He was repeatedly > contacted and asked for > evidence/documentation/verification of > the information cited by him. He absolutely refused > to do so. > Further, people started trying to verify themselves > and there exists > nothing that supports his whole myth in terms of > linage although > there was information on specific individuals at > specific times, i.e. > there was a Rev. Alexander Carson (if I remember > correctly) > who was in Scotland at one time. > > Genealogy data without evidence/documentation is > mythology. > > With reference to the DNA testing, you can > independently verify > via internet research that the process they are > using can only > establish a linkage going back three or four > generations, if that. > The other form of DNA testing is more accurate. > Since everyone > in the world (according to some archeaologistis and > geneticists) > go back to "Lucy", you're bound to find some > linkages. With > respect to establishing genalogical proof, it is > totally worthless. > It's a waste of money and basically takes your time > and money > from pursuing real genealogy research. > > I cannot tell you how many people write me telling > me that they > are part of the Henry Maxwell/Agness Carson line > (which goes > back to 1725) because of the DNA testing. We have > everyone, > and I mean everyone documented, proven beyond doubt. > And, > they keep writing back and saying but the DNA proves > it. It > is really totally worthless. > > If you look at family search data, you can see the > "carsons" who > are from the nordic countries (spelled slightly > differently, converted > or rather angelized to Carson). There is also an > Italian line. > > People always look for shortcuts to the plodding > required in > genealogy research. And, sometimes you hit a dead > end and > it is really a dead end. I cannot get Walter and > Agness Carson > or Samuel and Jane Carson back to Scotland/Ireland > nor can > I get HEnry Maxwell back. I suspect that will > always be the case. > The records just aren't there. > > Josette > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Stephanie Carson Feldman > <[email protected]> > >Sent: Oct 8, 2006 12:00 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [CARSON] WILLIAM CARSON > > > >Josette, > >I also have seen the Alexander Harvery Carson. Do > you > >know what source records prompted this? There must > be > >something to have started it, though I'm sure the > >internet has propagated it. > > > >Are there male Carsons of this line around today? > I'd > >love to have more people participate in the DNA > >studies. They have a 67 marker test now that can > >bring the generations down to a much smaller > number. > > > >Stephanie > > > >--- "Josette L. Maxwell" <[email protected]> > >wrote: > >> There is absolutely no evidence/documentation of > any > >> relationship > >> to the "Alexander Carson" line, if indeed it is a > >> line. It's been > >> discredited many times. > >_______________________________________________ > >CARSON mailing list > >[email protected] > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > _______________________________________________ > CARSON mailing list > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

John Carson of Rutherford is the proven son of Walter and Agness Carson who resided in Menellan, in what became Adams Ct. PA. Walter Carson arrived in the US by 1729 when he appears on the tax list of Chester Ct. In the same city, 1725, Samuel Carson m. Jane Patterson appeared plus there is a letter from John Carson family of Rutherford Ct. NC to Walter Carson York Ct. SC establishing that they were related. Walter Carson of York m. Mary Carson, daughter of Samuel Carson of Chester Ct. It is probable but not proven that the Walter Carson who married Mary Carson, daughter of Samuel/Jane, is also a son of Walter and Agness Carson of Menellan. Walter and Agness Carson had a daughter Agness who married Henry Maxwell circa 1754. There is absolutely no evidence/documentation of any relationship to the "Alexander Carson" line, if indeed it is a line. It's been discredited many times. No one has been able to trace either Walter and Agness Carson or Samuel and Jane Carson back to Ireland or Scotland. Josette Maxwell Boone NC -----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >Sent: Oct 8, 2006 4:09 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CARSON] WILLIAM CARSON > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Surnames: Carson >Classification: Query > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/DiH.2ACEB/1690.1.1.1.3.1 > >Message Board Post: > >Gary, > >The John Carson you mention (John Daniel Carson, husband of Mary McFarland) was my 6th ggrandfather. I have him listed as born ca 1725-1730 in York co., PA and died ca 1790 in Rutherford co., NC. > >Alexander Harvey Carson is thought to be a 7th ggrand uncle. > >_______________________________________________ >CARSON mailing list >[email protected] > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was also under that opinion, but the DNA tests are showing that there are at least two distinct groups and that one of those groups the relationship is back MANY generations. Carsons who have done the DNA test are understandably R1b1, which you would expect from Ireland and Scotland, but we also have a set of I Carsons, which are Nordic. This group was likely started from a Viking invader, so it doesn't mean that those Carsons immigrated to America from Sweden (my first very confused thought!). DNA results (to date) here: http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/c/carson/results.html I am currently working on expanding my DNA knowledge so I can better understand how far back these relationships might be. It's not exact as you can't be sure when a sequence will mutate, but they have models that they have followed. --- [email protected] wrote: > It is the OPINION of many Carsons that all are related.