This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rootslilla Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/2863.1.1.2.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for it now... do you happen to have national #? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: debbiehawkins04 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/2863.1.1.2.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Debi, I remember now where I saw Margaret Bates as Robert Carson's wife. It's on the DAR record that Lilla Crank filed. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rootslilla Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/2863.1.1.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: PS - David and Elizabeth's marriage year is definitely a typ0. The book it appears in is "Pennsylvania Marriage Records Prior to 1810; it was published in 1880 : http://books.google.com/ebooks?id=PnMFAAAAQAAJ Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rootslilla Surnames: Carson, Beaty, Beatty, Bates Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/2863.1.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Debbie, Yes, I have seen George Carson's family history document, which I found immensely useful. He was closer to the family (timewise), and so I am inclined to accept his words as fairly accurate. Too bad he didn't include the names of the ladies in question! I believe I've heard that David's first wife may have been the victim of Indians, but I have nothing substantive on that question. I do, however, have copies of both David and Roberts wills as well as that of Robert Beaty which confirms that David Carson was the husband of his daughter Elizabeth. David Carson's name was listed as the recipient of Elizabeth's share of her father's estate. (I've included a copy of my transcription of the accounts portion of R. Beaty's estate document) So, I believe that the record of David Carson and Elizabeth Beaty's marriage in Philadelphia is correct - but for 1784 not 1884. The book that includes this transcription is available on Google books, if I remember correctly. The other entries on the same page are all from the late 1700's... not 1800's. So my two mysteries remain - who was David's first wife. And was Robert's wife really Margaret Bates? Love to share notes, Debi Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rootslilla Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/2863.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Oh, yes... I would def agree that this is a typo! :) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: debbiecarsonhawkins Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/2863.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I went back and noticed the Elizabeth Beatty marriage to David Carson "1784, March 30, Beatty, Elizabeth, and David Carson." It's odd that 100 years later they list another marriage for "1884, March 30, Carson, David, and Elizabeth Beatty." Same day but different years. Hmm. Makes you wonder if someone didn't make a mistake in this. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: debbiecarsonhawkins Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/2863.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Debi, I was going back over my records about David Carson. He was married twice, we both know that. According to "Sketches from the Carson Family- John M. Carson, Centennial" - George W. Carson,Attorney at Law of Council Bluffs, Iowa, in 1894 tells the story as this: "...about the time that Robert became of age he married, and of that union our great,great, grandfather, David Carson, was born in 1741. David was twice married. Of the first union, Robert Carson was born in 1762 in Chester County, Pennsylvania. Other children born of this union were sons, James and George, and a daughter Mary Anne, of the second union the sons Hiram and David were born..." "Concerning his grandfather and his brother who were also the brothers of our great grandfather, robert Carson (1762). The brothers were Hiram and George. I have often heard my father tell the same story. Hiram and Geroge were chums and took each otthers part in battles of the period. In those days an insulting remark called for a blow, hiram often said he never was laid on his back in a wrestling match, and whipped every man he fought with, he was not quarrelsome and seldom became involved. he was very strong and has lifted a 40 gallon whiskey barrel full with 15 hides thereon, by the chimes and fingerends. Our great grandfather, Robert Carson improved and lived upon a farm in Chester County, Pennsyvania, but the settlers were driven out by an indian war and he returned to the old homestead and became owner by will of his father, Robert. This will is on record at West Chester, Pennsylvania. This information given me November 10, 1894 at Carlock hotel, Tecumseh, Oklahaoma. Respectfully submitted, Geo. W. Carson" Also, the marriage between a David Carson and a Elizabeth Beatty was listed as "1884, March 30, Carson, David, and Elizabeth Beatty." This cannot be the same David because he died before this. It also takes place at Philadelphia Church which is miles from the Forks of the Brandywine Church in which he was a pewholder with his father. I hope this helps some. You may already have the George W. Carson testimony. Debbie Carson Hawkins Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jBsKm3000 Surnames: Carson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/2876/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for information on the children and ancestors of Andrew Carson b. 1800 (Ireland) d. 1873 and Margaret (don't know maiden name but would like to) b. Unknown but I know she was born in Ireland, d. 1890. They had the following children Andrew b. abt. 1840 in Ireland d. unknown but aft. 1900, I have been looking for his grave I know that he was last living in the Clinton Allegheny Co. PA area., Lizzie b. 1850 in Ireland, I am looking for any other information about her, Bell b. 1852 in Ireland, I also need more info about her, Jennie Carson Work b. 1854 in Canada, d. 1874 (my g-g-grandmother), and Etta (Ettie) b. 1858 in PA. I have been seeking any information I can but seem to be at a dead end. I would greatly appreciate any help, I can be contacted directly at jandbmccoy@verizon.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gkcarson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/2863.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi again Debbie, I've seen the family trees listing a Robert Carson with a wife Margaret Bates. Some of those list his date of birth around 1700. Others listed it as your Robert born 1762 PA. Many of those family trees listing him born 1700 tie to that phantom Alexander Harvey Carson person born 1650s and they have a jumble of Carson children and grandchildren, many of whom aren't connected. I suspect that various researchers have tried to connect their lines to the famous Kit Carson line, in turn causing major errors in many other Carson family trees when others pick up those errors as fact. I found a funeral for a child of an Alexander Carson in Belfast N Ireland dated 1719. That's the year some of the family trees say Alexander Harvey Carson died, but it was actually a child's funeral. Gary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gkcarson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/2863.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Debbie, Regarding our connecting Carson lines out of PA, I've been making note of any new hints. I'm also trying to sort out my Robert Carson (born 1730s) who married Margaret Woods in Lancaster Co PA and moved to Orange Co NC c1758 then to eastern TN (I think) around 1780. There was Robert in Rowan/Iredell NC 1761 who had a brother William (his 1759 will mentions brother Robert). In 1780, Robert sells his land there (with wife Margaret signing the deed). There was a Robert/Margaret in nearby Chester SC who bought land c1772 on Suzey Bolls branch then sells out in 1775, apparently leaving the area. There was a Robert/Margaret in Jefferson Co TN c1800 selling a lot in Dandridge. In 1815, Ruth Carson Patterson in Washington Co TN sues a Robert and Peggy (Peggy is a nickname for Margaret), "now residents of OH", for her dower (her husband William Carson Jr had died 1796 Washington Co TN). On another note, there was a William Carson born 1720 N Ireland died 1791 Fayette Co PA (wife Sarah) whose descendant is an almost exact YDNA match with me (and with your Carson relative). That William had these children (according to various descendants): William Carson Jr b1748 married Rachel Wilson John Carson Alexander Carson Elizabeth Carson Jeane Carson Sarah Carson I've also been researching in Ireland prior to 1750. I found some connecting surnames in church records there near Carson families. Gary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: debbiecarsonhawkins Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/2863.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Debi, David WAS married twice. Family history points to his first wife dying from an Indian raid in Cumberland County before he returned to Chester County near his father, Robert. As to the Bates name, there is a possibility that Margaret was an aunt or cousin to Elizabeth. Grandparent's name of Bates? I have tried to find this connection. I know there has to be a simple explanation and the coincidence of the Bates name being so close to Margaret's generation has to point us to the existence of her last name as Bates, eventually! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: debbiecarsonhawkins Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/2863.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Gary, I haven't had much time for more research this year, but I wanted to comment on your thread with Debi. I know that through family history, my David Carson's first wife was killed by natives when they were in the frontier of Cumberland County. He then returned to Chester County and lived near his father. They attended Forks of Brandywine Church and are listed as pewholders. David is buried in the original cemetary along with Elizabeth. I wanted to assume that Robert, his father was buried there but there is no record. I visited this area two years ago and talked to people at the church. I connected the Elizabeth to Beatty's also as there were Beatty's at this church during this time period. I don't think David and his first wife had any children. Even though our DNA is traced through the Carson's I wonder if there is any possibility that there is a connection with other bloodlines.Sorry I haven't been much help lately. I would love to find the evidence that Debi is also looking for in the Margaret Bates/Robert Carson marriage. Somewhere in my family history I remember an old! er relative saying that Margaret's last name was Bates but I don't know where she got her information from. The online listing for the Swamp Cemetary in Ohio lists her as Margaret. Why oh Why, did women's last names not seem important in wills, burials, marriage records,etc.! Our job would be so much easier! Debbie Carson Hawkins Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rebeccagarton1006 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/1605.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My ggg grandparents were Thomas M and Charlotte Carson. Susan Carson married Madison Vinyard, they lived in webster county, mo. Madison's father was William. I cannot find any information on Thomas. Any information welcome. I have heard that Thomas M was buried in Webster County, mo in 1869, I have searched all cemeteries, and am looking for a single grave. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RootsLilla Surnames: Carson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/1524.1.2.1.1.2.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry... not much help on that. I, too, suspect that several (probably) related Carsons arrived in the U.S. in the 1730-1740ish time frame. Perhaps they were brothers, perhaps cousins. Either way, I can't conclusively draw any conclusions that I can back up with documentation. I will keep you in mind as I continue my research. If you happen to come accross additional information about the wives of Robert b. 1716 (Rachel last name?), David b. 1741, or Robert b. 1762 I would love to hear it. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gkcarson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/1524.1.2.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Debi, My email is gkcarson@aol.com (forgot to include it). Thanks, Gary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gkcarson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/1524.1.2.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Debi, Thanks for the link. I viewed the will transcriptions of Robert Carson dec'd 1797 and David Carson dec'd 18@9 Chester PA. I'm trying to figure out how Robert Carson 1717-1797 Chester Co PA is related to my Robert Carson born c1730 and Moses Carson born 1737 both of whom moved to Orange NC 1760s/1770s who were probably brothers. The YDNA close match suggests a common ancestor the generation prior to Robert b1717 or not much earlier. Thanks, Gary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RootsLilla Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/1524.1.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Oops! I cannot email you the will in question as I do not have your email address. You can find my transcription and some of my notes about the family on my Carson family tree (limited... I have a bit more at home) at http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/926762/person/1864858472. Debi Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RootsLilla Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/1524.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: No, sorry. The Carsons I am researching were in the Chester County, Pennsylvania area (West Nantmeal, Uwchlan) Debi Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RootsLilla Surnames: Carson, Beaty, Beatty Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/1524.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks, Gary. Yes, I have Robert Beaty's will, too, which mentions his daughter Elizabeth Carson and - in the list of accounts paid - clearly identifies David Carson as the recipient of Elizabeth's share of her father's estate. I have also seen the mention of their marriage in Philadelphia in 1784. But, David had several children b. before his 1784 marriage to Elizabeth. So, a first as yet unidentified wife is likely - and my current "brick wall". It is her that I seek to identify, as she would be the mother of Robert b. 1762, my husband's ancestor as well as David's older children. Many of the Carson families used the same given names (over and over and over again!), making it difficult at times to distinguish which David or which Robert is referred to in each piece of evidence. I'll send you an email privately with the will. Debi Debi Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gkcarson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carson/1524.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Debi, The information I have came from two descendants of Robert Carson born 1762 (son of David). That line is a close YDNA match with me. My ancestors are a Robert Carson who married Margaret Woods 1755 in Lancaster Co PA (Paxtang). They moved to NC/TN. Moses Carson's descendants are an exact match with me. Moses (born 1737 married Elizabeth Hannah) and my Robert are presumed to be brothers. Do you have a copy of David Carson's will 1829? I'd like a transcription if possible. The Mary Carson born "after 1806" was a daughter of Robert Carson b1762 (may had had a typo in my message). David Carson had a daughter named Mary Anne born 1788 married George Young. They both died and left small children (apparently are some guardianship documents). On a side note, the 1746 Chester PA will of John Williams in West Caln says his daughter is Elizabeth Carson. David Carson m. Elizabeth Beathy/Beatty 30 Mar 1784 Second Presby in Philadelphia. A David Carson married Sarah Wood 29 Aug 1785 at Third Presby. Philadelphia. There was a Robert Carson died 15 Sep 1759 according to Philadelphia church records, stating his father was named Robert. 4 Oct 1760 Cumberland PA Moses Carson was deed the goods and chattels of Robert Carson deceased. This Robert is somehow related to my Carson line. Gary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.