This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1hH.2ACEB/3519.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Michael, There was a family story way back that said John Joseph or his father was a gardener on an estate in Ireland and ran off with the daughter of a Lady Griffith. No one is alive now who remembers more of this story, and I have not done any serious searching in Ireland. Does this story ring any bells? Agnes