My line is: John Carroll/Carrell married Jane Jaynes/Janes Sept 22, 1815 (I was thinking it was 1817, so 1815 may be a typo - I'll have to check on that and I don't have the bond right in front of me, but there is a marriage bond in Rutherford County for them) in Rutherford County. I have their children as Fannie, Sallie (which would probably be Sarah), Peggy, Jennie, Elias, Ben R., Thomas, Elizabeth, and my gg grandmother, Martha (Mattie) Carroll. I have since proven, however, that the child listed as Fannie was actually in all probability Jane Janes' sister. There is an early deed in Haywood County in land is referred to as given or sold for a small amount to Fanny Floyd (according to one of Martha's daughters, "Fannie married a Floyd"), daughter of John or James Janes. The Fanny Floyd on the 1850 Haywood County census is much older than the other Carroll siblings, so I have always thought that she might be a sister to Jane instead of a child. That deed proved it. There is also a very interesting court case in Haywood County (NC, of course <g>) that rocked on for about 15 years over a note of debt that was found in the Bible of James Janes at the sale of his estate. A Carroll fellow who bought the Bible and an Enloe man were accused of fraudulently collecting the amount of the note instead of returning it to the estate, which they should have done as the estate administrator claimed that the note was part of the estate and not part of the item purchased (the Bible) at the estate sale. The names involved in that case and listed on the many pages of documents concerning the case are all those of the Oconaluftee Settlement (later known as Qualla Town and is where the present day Qualla Boundary (the Reservation of the Eastern Band of the Cherokee) lies, which is where the Gibsons came around 1815 and the Carrolls and Janes a bit later. I know that one of Martha's sisters married a Nichols, and Elizabeth married Matt (probably Matthew) "Cammel" (Campbell). Martha married John Stewart/Stuard/Stuart/Steward Gibson in 1839 and they promptly began their family which would grow to 15 children. All but one lived to adulthood, and all but one of those 14 had families( some 10-14 children.) (John S. was an only child, but he sure made up for it! <g>). Martha (or Mattie) died when her youngest child was only 22 months old, and John S. soon remarried (who can blame him since his mother also died just a few weeks later, leaving him with little help with the children, as most of the daughters old enough to really help were married with families of their own. I would venture a guess that of the families who were living in present day Jackson, Swain, and Macon Counties in the 1930s, at least 50% of them in some way connect back to John S. and Martha Carroll Gibson. I have seen some erroneous information in the Old Tryon Genealogy Society on this family. One source had Martha born around 1839-1840, when she was actually giving birth to her first child in 1840. John Carroll disappears from the records in Haywood and Macon Counties by 1850 and we are not sure if he died or moved on. I have seen him referred to by the older family members (such as the older children of John S. and Martha C. Gibson) as "Johnnie" or "Johnny." I have pictures of most of John S. and Martha's children, and almost all (if not all) are dark headed, dark eyed, and most appear to have an olive tint to their skin. At this point, we are not sure where that comes from, or if there was NA blood in the family. If there was, it was almost certainly not Cherokee, as none of that family was living where the Cherokee inhabited. The Gibsons, however, did live in the area inhabited by the Catawba Indians, so I leave anyone to draw their own conclusions. As most everyone knows, docomenting NA ancestry if difficult and often impossible! I have researched this family for almost 30 years now, and often say I have severe head injuries from beating my head on this brick wall for so long! <g> I have discovered little bits of info in the most unexpected places, and have put together a picture of the family from what I have gleaned, subject, of course, to correction and revision at all times. Please tell me what you line is. I hope we find we can connect and can share some information! Dee ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.