Listers, My mother Edith Carroll's family surname was spelled CARREL or CARROL up until about 1850, when it changed it to CARROLL. I have found CARRELs in Slovakia, Jersey in the Channel Islands, France (Huguenots), Canton Berne in Switzerland, and in the Ukraine. In the passenger list for the 1748 sailing of the ship Patience, from Rotterdam to Philadelphia with a stop in Cowes, England, are two Carrel men, John and Jacob, but when they took the oath of naturalization the next day, there were spelled as Carle and Karle. (by some courthouse clerk?). Karle to Carrel to Carroll? Yes it's possible. I believe Soundex C640 treats them all the same phonetically.. The Australian Carrall I have not heard of before, but there are Carrals in Spain. In eastern Europe Karol can mean Charles or Carl, and I guess King in Russia. Charlemagne can be interpreted as Charles. Most Carrolls of course are Irish, and I think it an occupational surname originally meaning "butcher" or "hacker", as in a fierce warrior... But not all present day Carrolls are Irish. Eric .> [Original Message] > From: Mabel <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 10/17/2007 12:14:12 PM > Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] Australian CARROLLS/CARRALLS > > Penny, > > It would be great if you could have one of your Carroll surname males join > the DNA project. If you would like to know more about the project and some > info about the Carroll's you can look at the following websites. As you do > more research you will find that while the Carroll surname primarily comes > from the British Isles, the name is also found in other countries. For > example, in Russian the word King is KAROL so it would be possible for > Russian moving to another country to write their name as carol or carroll. > These same type of translations could exist in many situations. As you > know, many of the Irish it the 17 and 1800's did not speak English so names > were written by English speakers as they sounded not necessarily as they > might actually be! > > http://www.childtalk.com/History/carrollfamilydna.html > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carroll/ > > I did some research on one family of Carroll surname who originated in > County Cavan. The father, Thomas was born around 1798 while the mother, > Margaret McMahon, county Meath about the same time. Most of their children > immigrated to the United States, however at least one, Owen immigrated to > Australia. There is another brother who may have gone but we do not have > his name. Two Brothers fought on the Confederate side in the American > Civil War ( One Terence died in the conflict ). > > As mentioned by Lura, the surname project crosses all borders and is not > only a United States project. If you can get one of your relatives to > participate it would be nice if they could have the 37 marker test done > since this is a very good test for close relationships. You can go into the > familytreedna.com website and look at the FAQ's ( Frequently Asked > Questions ) in order to find answers to many questions. > > Good luck and we will look forward to the possibility of your family joining > the project. > > Sincerely > > Kevin Carroll > Voluntee > Administrator FamilyTreeDNA Carroll Surname Project, > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Penny Ferguson" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:37 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [CARROLL-DNA] Australian CARROLLS/CARRALLS > > > I note that this is primarily an American List. Do you know where the > > original Carroll/Carrells came from? There were quite a few Carrolls that > > came to Australia in the 1790's to early 1800s. Mine was Peter Carroll on > > the first convict ship from Ireland and was a possible Defender. He > > started > > out with an unfair disadvantage. He was a RC, Irish, Convict and ? > > possibly > > did not speak English but gaelic. His sons in the early Australian state > > of > > NSW were Carroll around the town of Windsor NSW and those who traveled > > north became Carrall. Until I did Carroll (!) research, those who were > > Carrall would not accept that they were of the same family. Lots of lovely > > photos and certificates later it is now fact. Nobody has traced Peters > > parents as yet but he was convicted at Louth. I can possibly find a > > descendant of the name Carroll/Carrall to see if we can find a DNA > > match -at > > least 7 gens. Is this worthwhile at this stage or would it not compare > > with > > any existing ? My own line is mother, grandmother, g grandmother, > > ggfather then Peter 1. I guess my DNA would not be "reliable"? as not a > > straight paternal line. I would be interested in a reply. With thanks, > > Penny in Australia > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message