Lura: Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I have been able to find my Carroll relatives back to Liverpool in the 1851 English Census. My Great Grandfather, Francis Carroll, was just a baby. He was the one that made it to North America circa 1866. He was put on a commercial ship at age seven as a cabin boy and eventually jumped ship in Maine and settled in Gloucester, Mass.. The English Census states that his father Henry and mother Mary, was born in Ireland. Searching parish records in Liverpool have been difficult and tedious especially since I was not sure of their religion. I never found a baptismal record or English birth record for Francis and that has made me consider that he may have been born in Ireland. So I have been searching parish records in County Down due to the assumptions I have made (stated in previous e-mail). Regards, Mike Lura wrote: > Mike, > > Most men with the surname of Carroll may have a lineage that leads > back to Ireland, but I don't believe we can assume that until the > research is done. > > At least two CARROLLS have learned since taking the DNA test that > their ancient background was from Eastern Europe. With that knowledge > they searched and found the ancestor with the Germans in PA. > > John Kirrell and Richard Kirrill were stockholders in the Virginia > Company of London and were in the Jamestown settlement by 1620. That > does not prove they lived in England, but it seems that they might > have. > > We have no idea yet where the Carrolls of Sampson County, NC were > before coming to that area, so we can't assume an Irish Sept. My > father did tell me that we were Scots-Irish, but his sister told me > that we were descended from Charles Carroll of Carrollton! I have > learned we can't depend on the stories we have been told, and I surely > won't decide my ancestry on a gut feeling.... but I don't think there > is any question about the facts on a DNA chart. Most court records > and census returns are accurate, too. Genealogy relies on facts. > > When you have opportunity to research in places like the LDS Library, > you might have better success if you study the court records, land > records, census records, etc. where your earliest known ancestor Henry > (according to the DNA chart) lived rather than trying to start in > Ireland and come west from there. If you learn that Henry was the > earliest ancestor on this continent, then try to find him on a ship > list. > > I guess folks have different reasons for doing genealogy. If we set > out to prove a forgone conclusion, we may be disappointed with the > result. If we just want to know who we are, the end result will > always be wonderful, because no matter what we learn about our > ancestors, it won't change who they helped us to become. > > Lura > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Carrroll" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [CARROLL] Britton Carroll SC, Ga > > : Lura: > : > : I am not exactly discouraged. I am just stuck and still just going > off > : gut feelings. When I saw the similarities between my kit and the > North > : Carolina kits it reinforced my origins research direction of County > : Down, County Louth and Couth Antrim. Since it is known that many of > the > : the early settlers of North America were from Northern Ireland, this > : North Carolina group I assume originated from Northern Ireland. My > : recently passed genealogist cousin from County Kildare said that she > : relied on gut feelings. Back in 1999 she said that her gut feelings > : told her that my Carroll's were from County Down. At that time, I > did > : not want to believe that since I assumed that my Carroll's came from > : Central Ireland (County Offaly, County Tipperary) based on nothing. > : However, with my increased education of the the five Carroll septs > and > : learning that County Louth is the homeland of the Oriel sept, I was > : becoming convinced my cousin may be correct with her gut feeling. > This > : week I spent two days at the Family History Library in Salt Lake > City > : searching County Down Carroll's. I found Carrol's who were > Presbytarian > : and Carroll's that were Catholic. The only name that was common to > the > : Carroll's and the Carrol's were the name Elizabeth and Henry. > Anyway, > : I will keep searching until I strike at the truth . > : > : Regards, Mike Carroll > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >