Mike, I'm sorry if I discouraged you in any way. I am not an expert in this field. Hopefully someone else will provide an answer that will give you more information which can provide hope for you. Since we are the first generation using DNA for genealogy, we are really building a framework which researchers of the future can use for identifying their roots. If you haven't yet identified a close relative, you may soon, but even if you don't find one in your lifetime, that record will be invaluable for someone in the future. So thanks for sending the DNA sample. It would be more helpful in the future if we each uploaded a pedigree of just the Carroll lineage with our haplotype at YSearch.com - of course not including any living person. I haven't done that yet for my cousin. Lura Southard List Administrator, [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Carrroll" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [CARROLL] Britton Carroll SC, Ga : Thanks for the explanation. Unfortuately, you put more doubt into my : present belief system. : : [email protected] wrote: : > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. : > : > Author: southard : > Surnames: CARROLL : > Classification: queries : > : > Message Board URL: : > : > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7146.1.1.1.1.1.1.3.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx : > : > Message Board Post: : > : > Mike, : > : > I believe that your kit # 31491 is shown in the chart where it is because the lines are listed by the order of the numbers. Yours begins 13-23 and the men in orange begin 13-24. : > : > You were wise to compare with the lines in the orange group which seemed to indicate an average. We don't know which of those was most like the ancestor, since each lineage may have mutated in a different direction. With only one exception, those men have not had a common ancestor in about 200 years, so some mutation could be expected in that period of time. : > : > I read somewhere, but can't find it right now that those DYS numbers shown in RED at the top of the chart designated alleles which were more apt to mutate than the ones shown in black. I think where the mismatch occurs may make a small amount of difference in the percent of probability that two men shared a common ancestor somewhere in the past. That is why it is difficult to say exactly how two men are related just by comparing the numbers. : > : > At http://www.familytreedna.com/GDRules_37.html there is a chart that gives the approximate relatedness based on comparing the numbers. For a 31/37 match it says: : > : > "31/37 is too far off to be considered related, unless you can find an "in-betweener' as for determining 'Only Possibly Related,' above. It is important to determine what set of results most typifies the largest number members of the group you are 'close' to matching. You may be 31/37 with an individual, but 34/37 with the center of the group, and your potential relatedness to him is through the center of the group." : > : > Your best way to learn to whom you are related is by using the personal web page provided for you by FamilyTreeDNA when they received your kit. You need to be sure to set your preferences for that display to include all Surnames and not just the Carroll surname. A few men have discovered that they did not match a man of the same surname at all, but they did match men of a surname which had lived near their ancestors. Comparisons shown on that personal page should take into consideration which markers are different between two men. : > : > We have three of the orange men who are extending the number of alleles to 67. My cousin's kit # 32061 is due back about October 23. You might want to consider extending yours to see if more of the markers match in those 30 more alleles. : > : > Hope this answered your questions. : > : > Lura Southard : > List Administrator, : > [email protected] : > : > Important Note: : > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Lura: I am not exactly discouraged. I am just stuck and still just going off gut feelings. When I saw the similarities between my kit and the North Carolina kits it reinforced my origins research direction of County Down, County Louth and Couth Antrim. Since it is known that many of the the early settlers of North America were from Northern Ireland, this North Carolina group I assume originated from Northern Ireland. My recently passed genealogist cousin from County Kildare said that she relied on gut feelings. Back in 1999 she said that her gut feelings told her that my Carroll's were from County Down. At that time, I did not want to believe that since I assumed that my Carroll's came from Central Ireland (County Offaly, County Tipperary) based on nothing. However, with my increased education of the the five Carroll septs and learning that County Louth is the homeland of the Oriel sept, I was becoming convinced my cousin may be correct with her gut feeling. This week I spent two days at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City searching County Down Carroll's. I found Carrol's who were Presbytarian and Carroll's that were Catholic. The only name that was common to the Carroll's and the Carrol's were the name Elizabeth and Henry. Anyway, I will keep searching until I strike at the truth . Regards, Mike Carroll Lura wrote: > Mike, > > I'm sorry if I discouraged you in any way. I am not an expert in this > field. Hopefully someone else will provide an answer that will give > you more information which can provide hope for you. > > Since we are the first generation using DNA for genealogy, we are > really building a framework which researchers of the future can use > for identifying their roots. If you haven't yet identified a close > relative, you may soon, but even if you don't find one in your > lifetime, that record will be invaluable for someone in the future. > So thanks for sending the DNA sample. > > It would be more helpful in the future if we each uploaded a pedigree > of just the Carroll lineage with our haplotype at YSearch.com - of > course not including any living person. I haven't done that yet for > my cousin. > > Lura Southard > List Administrator, > [email protected] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Carrroll" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 6:23 PM > Subject: Re: [CARROLL] Britton Carroll SC, Ga > > > : Thanks for the explanation. Unfortuately, you put more doubt into > my > : present belief system. > : > : [email protected] wrote: > : > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing > list. > : > > : > Author: southard > : > Surnames: CARROLL > : > Classification: queries > : > > : > Message Board URL: > : > > : > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7146.1.1.1.1.1.1.3.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx > : > > : > Message Board Post: > : > > : > Mike, > : > > : > I believe that your kit # 31491 is shown in the chart where it is > because the lines are listed by the order of the numbers. Yours > begins 13-23 and the men in orange begin 13-24. > : > > : > You were wise to compare with the lines in the orange group which > seemed to indicate an average. We don't know which of those was most > like the ancestor, since each lineage may have mutated in a different > direction. With only one exception, those men have not had a common > ancestor in about 200 years, so some mutation could be expected in > that period of time. > : > > : > I read somewhere, but can't find it right now that those DYS > numbers shown in RED at the top of the chart designated alleles which > were more apt to mutate than the ones shown in black. I think where > the mismatch occurs may make a small amount of difference in the > percent of probability that two men shared a common ancestor somewhere > in the past. That is why it is difficult to say exactly how two men > are related just by comparing the numbers. > : > > : > At http://www.familytreedna.com/GDRules_37.html there is a chart > that gives the approximate relatedness based on comparing the numbers. > For a 31/37 match it says: > : > > : > "31/37 is too far off to be considered related, unless you can > find an "in-betweener' as for determining 'Only Possibly Related,' > above. It is important to determine what set of results most typifies > the largest number members of the group you are 'close' to matching. > You may be 31/37 with an individual, but 34/37 with the center of the > group, and your potential relatedness to him is through the center of > the group." > : > > : > Your best way to learn to whom you are related is by using the > personal web page provided for you by FamilyTreeDNA when they received > your kit. You need to be sure to set your preferences for that > display to include all Surnames and not just the Carroll surname. A > few men have discovered that they did not match a man of the same > surname at all, but they did match men of a surname which had lived > near their ancestors. Comparisons shown on that personal page should > take into consideration which markers are different between two men. > : > > : > We have three of the orange men who are extending the number of > alleles to 67. My cousin's kit # 32061 is due back about October 23. > You might want to consider extending yours to see if more of the > markers match in those 30 more alleles. > : > > : > Hope this answered your questions. > : > > : > Lura Southard > : > List Administrator, > : > [email protected] > : > > : > Important Note: > : > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If > you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL > link above and respond on the board. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >