I want to thank everone who offered help and advice in my search for the Carroll crest. I understand the "official" take on the use of a crest, but I am simply searching for a representative crest of the Carroll's of Ireland, not so much for some exact and provable historical significance, but merely as yet another way to enforce the strong link I feel with my Irish ancestors. Everyone's help and advice was very useful. Slainte, David ----- Original Message ----- From: <CarrollMS@aol.com> To: <CARROLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 6:20 AM Subject: [CARROLL] Crests - Authority, Use, and Creation > In my experience and discussions with those knowledgeable of family crests > there are three things that might be relevant to one choosing to use a crest. > > 1. There is a custom in Ireland that says that anyone may use the accepted > crest of their last name. Current Irish rule is that you can use the crest: > "Edward MacLysaght, former Chief Herald of Ireland, in his book. Irish > Families (1957) stated the position is, Arms shown in Part III, of the book, > may be displayed without impropriety, of the Sept if that person really does > belong to the Sept. The Clan Cian chief advises that any person desiring to > bear Arms apply for a Letter of Confirmation from the Irish heraldry. See > http://www.clancian-carroll.com/ > > 2. In America we have no noble class. Heraldry in America is a choice of > each individual. One can create their own if they so desire. > > > > >

I found the three mentioned at: http://www.elyocarroll.com/ - see the "Our History" page. http://www.clancian-carroll.com/home.html http://www.carroll.co.uk/irish/irish.htm ...and I just now noticed that actually the first and third are very similar except for the colouring. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lura" <luraj@triad.rr.com> To: "David Kinney" <dkinney@harriscomputer.com>; <CARROLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [CARROLL] Need Crest info > Welcome to the list, David. > > I was aware of only one CARROLL Crest. Are the ones you know > about on the internet? If so, would you give us the URLs for > them? > > Thanks. > Lura > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Kinney" <dkinney@harriscomputer.com> > To: <CARROLL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:33 PM > Subject: [CARROLL] Need Crest info > > > > Greetings to one and all, > > > > I am new to this list, and before I ask for assistance, I > believe it would be proper and polite to say a little about > myself. My name is David Kinney, I live in Windsor, CT in the US. > My great grandfather was Anthony Carroll, born somewhere around > 1867 - 1869 in (I have been told) Rathdowney, Co. Laois. I am > very happy and excited to have found this list and its associated > web site(s). > > > > Now, as to my question, I am searching for a Carroll crest, and > have so far found 3! I am trying to find the most appropriate to > my ancestry, and, as my intent is to have this tattooed > permanently on my person, getting it right is very iimportant! > Any help would be most appreciated. > > > > Slainte, > > > > David > > > > > > > > >

This is all I have on my Carroll connection: Anthony Carroll, born 17 March, 1867 (or 1869) in Rathdowney, Co. Laois. Married Mary Ann O'Driscoll (b. 1863, Cork) on 18 Sept. 1895 in White Plains, NY. Died in 1952 in Jackson Heights, NY. Daughter Mary Ellen Carroll was my grandmother. Born 7 Apr 1899 in Bronx, NY, died in Central Islip, NY on 29 Jul 1970. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Sanderson" <beth52095@hotmail.com> To: <CARROLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 7:58 PM Subject: [CARROLL] my Carroll family Nc.&Tn. > My Carroll kin are Daniel Huff Carroll B.1815 Nc. and his bro.Sterling > Carroll B.10-03-1806 Nc. > > > Daniel Huff B.1815-nc. married 12-1837 they were married in Cheatham co. Nc. > Mary Juliette Granvill Womble -Both died in Carroll co.Tn. > their childern are : > Thomas W. born:1838 > Sarah born:1840 > William T.born:1842 > Josiah James born:1844 > Sterling Dickson born:1845 > Lydia born:1847 > Susan born:1850 > Martha born:1853in Bedford co.Tn. > > Sterling bro. to Daniel married Winnie Tillman in Cheatham co.Nc. They > both died in Carroll co.Tn. > > This is all the info. i have on them until Martha married my Great grand > father Deronda W.Smith in Carroll co. if you know of these people please let > me know. Thank you. Elizabeth > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >

David, Actually this was rather fun. Gerry Hook was correct when stating that you would need to know which clan or sept your Carrolls descended from in order to pick the correct Carroll crest. If you can narrow down the county in Ireland your family originated, you would be able to make an educated guess as to which clan they belonged to. I commend you for your strong loyalty to your Irish roots, and wish you luck with not only finding the correct crest, but also that tattoo!! Happy July 4th!! Linda Carroll Bifulco ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kinney" <dkinney@harriscomputer.com> To: <CARROLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [CARROLL] Crests - Authority, Use, and Creation > I want to thank everone who offered help and advice in my search for the > Carroll crest. I understand the "official" take on the use of a crest, but I > am simply searching for a representative crest of the Carroll's of Ireland, > not so much for some exact and provable historical significance, but merely > as yet another way to enforce the strong link I feel with my Irish > ancestors. > > Everyone's help and advice was very useful. > > Slainte, > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <CarrollMS@aol.com> > To: <CARROLL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 6:20 AM > Subject: [CARROLL] Crests - Authority, Use, and Creation > > > > In my experience and discussions with those knowledgeable of family crests > > there are three things that might be relevant to one choosing to use a > crest. > > > > 1. There is a custom in Ireland that says that anyone may use the accepted > > crest of their last name. Current Irish rule is that you can use the > crest: > > "Edward MacLysaght, former Chief Herald of Ireland, in his book. Irish > > Families (1957) stated the position is, Arms shown in Part III, of the > book, > > may be displayed without impropriety, of the Sept if that person really > does > > belong to the Sept. The Clan Cian chief advises that any person desiring > to > > bear Arms apply for a Letter of Confirmation from the Irish heraldry. See > > http://www.clancian-carroll.com/ > > > > 2. In America we have no noble class. Heraldry in America is a choice of > > each individual. One can create their own if they so desire. > > > > > > > > > > >

Census Taker It was the first day of census, and all through the land; The pollster was ready ... a black book in hand. He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride; His book and some quills were tucked close by his side. A long winding ride down a road barely there; Toward the smell of fresh bread wafting up through the air. The woman was tired, with lines on her face; And wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place. She gave him some water ... as they sat at the table; And she answered his questions ... the best she was able. He asked of her children ... Yes, she had quite a few; The oldest was twenty, the youngest not two. She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red; his sister, she whispered, was napping in bed. She noted each person who lived there with pride; And she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside. He noted the sex, the color, the age ... The marks from the quill soon filled up the page. At the number of children, she nodded her head; And saw her lips quiver for the three that were dead. The places of birth she "never forgot"; Was it Kansas? or Utah? or Oregon ... or not? They came from Scotland, of that she was clear; But she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here. They spoke of employment, of schooling and such; They could read some and write some ... though really not much. When the questions were answered, his job there was done; So he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun. We can imagine his voice loud and clear; "May God Bless you all for another ten years." Now picture a time warp ... it's now you and me; As we search for the people on our family tree. We squint at the census and scroll down so slow; As we search for that entry from long, long ago. Could they only imagine on that long ago day; That the entries they made would effect us this way? If they knew, would they wonder at the yearning we feel; And the searching that makes them so increasingly real. We can hear if we listen the words they impart; Through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart. Author Unknown

Census Taker It was the first day of census, and all through the land; The pollster was ready ... a black book in hand. He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride; His book and some quills were tucked close by his side. A long winding ride down a road barely there; Toward the smell of fresh bread wafting up through the air. The woman was tired, with lines on her face; And wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place. She gave him some water ... as they sat at the table; And she answered his questions ... the best she was able. He asked of her children ... Yes, she had quite a few; The oldest was twenty, the youngest not two. She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red; his sister, she whispered, was napping in bed. She noted each person who lived there with pride; And she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside. He noted the sex, the color, the age ... The marks from the quill soon filled up the page. At the number of children, she nodded her head; And saw her lips quiver for the three that were dead. The places of birth she "never forgot"; Was it Kansas? or Utah? or Oregon ... or not? They came from Scotland, of that she was clear; But she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here. They spoke of employment, of schooling and such; They could read some and write some ... though really not much. When the questions were answered, his job there was done; So he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun. We can imagine his voice loud and clear; "May God Bless you all for another ten years." Now picture a time warp ... it's now you and me; As we search for the people on our family tree. We squint at the census and scroll down so slow; As we search for that entry from long, long ago. Could they only imagine on that long ago day; That the entries they made would effect us this way? If they knew, would they wonder at the yearning we feel; And the searching that makes them so increasingly real. We can hear if we listen the words they impart; Through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart. Author Unknown

Census Taker It was the first day of census, and all through the land; The pollster was ready ... a black book in hand. He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride; His book and some quills were tucked close by his side. A long winding ride down a road barely there; Toward the smell of fresh bread wafting up through the air. The woman was tired, with lines on her face; And wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place. She gave him some water ... as they sat at the table; And she answered his questions ... the best she was able. He asked of her children ... Yes, she had quite a few; The oldest was twenty, the youngest not two. She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red; his sister, she whispered, was napping in bed. She noted each person who lived there with pride; And she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside. He noted the sex, the color, the age ... The marks from the quill soon filled up the page. At the number of children, she nodded her head; And saw her lips quiver for the three that were dead. The places of birth she "never forgot"; Was it Kansas? or Utah? or Oregon ... or not? They came from Scotland, of that she was clear; But she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here. They spoke of employment, of schooling and such; They could read some and write some ... though really not much. When the questions were answered, his job there was done; So he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun. We can imagine his voice loud and clear; "May God Bless you all for another ten years." Now picture a time warp ... it's now you and me; As we search for the people on our family tree. We squint at the census and scroll down so slow; As we search for that entry from long, long ago. Could they only imagine on that long ago day; That the entries they made would effect us this way? If they knew, would they wonder at the yearning we feel; And the searching that makes them so increasingly real. We can hear if we listen the words they impart; Through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart. Author Unknown

If one were to reproduce a crest of one's Carroll family, won't a determination have to be made as to the sept that particular Carroll descends? My understanding is that the surname CARROLL could be a derivative of: Mac Cearbhaill or O Cearbhaill At this point in my Carroll research all that can be determined is my Carroll family are Iowegians. Gerry

Thank you, that made my day :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Berry" <berrytd@bellatlantic.net> To: <CARROLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 8:13 AM Subject: [CARROLL] census taker > Census Taker > > It was the first day of census, and all through the land; > The pollster was ready ... a black book in hand. > He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride; > His book and some quills were tucked close by his side. > A long winding ride down a road barely there; > Toward the smell of fresh bread wafting up through the air. > The woman was tired, with lines on her face; > And wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place. > She gave him some water ... as they sat at the table; > And she answered his questions ... the best she was able. > He asked of her children ... Yes, she had quite a few; > The oldest was twenty, the youngest not two. > She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red; > his sister, she whispered, was napping in bed. > She noted each person who lived there with pride; > And she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside. > He noted the sex, the color, the age ... > The marks from the quill soon filled up the page. > At the number of children, she nodded her head; > And saw her lips quiver for the three that were dead. > The places of birth she "never forgot"; > Was it Kansas? or Utah? or Oregon ... or not? > They came from Scotland, of that she was clear; > But she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here. > They spoke of employment, of schooling and such; > They could read some and write some ... though really not much. > When the questions were answered, his job there was done; > So he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun. > We can imagine his voice loud and clear; > "May God Bless you all for another ten years." > Now picture a time warp ... it's now you and me; > As we search for the people on our family tree. > We squint at the census and scroll down so slow; > As we search for that entry from long, long ago. > Could they only imagine on that long ago day; > That the entries they made would effect us this way? > If they knew, would they wonder at the yearning we feel; > And the searching that makes them so increasingly real. > We can hear if we listen the words they impart; > Through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart. > > Author Unknown > > > > >

In my experience and discussions with those knowledgeable of family crests there are three things that might be relevant to one choosing to use a crest. 1. There is a custom in Ireland that says that anyone may use the accepted crest of their last name. Current Irish rule is that you can use the crest: "Edward MacLysaght, former Chief Herald of Ireland, in his book. Irish Families (1957) stated the position is, Arms shown in Part III, of the book, may be displayed without impropriety, of the Sept if that person really does belong to the Sept. The Clan Cian chief advises that any person desiring to bear Arms apply for a Letter of Confirmation from the Irish heraldry. See http://www.clancian-carroll.com/ 2. In America we have no noble class. Heraldry in America is a choice of each individual. One can create their own if they so desire.

Juling, you are right. I was reading on line the other day about Britain's Royal Family and it showed that each family member had their own crest. This is from one of the websites: "Coats of Arms of members of the Royal family are broadly similar to The Queen's with small differences to identify them." -----Original Message----- From: H. Juhling McClung [mailto:mcclung.1@osu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:31 PM To: CARROLL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CARROLL] Need Crest info It is really fun to see if anyone in a family can trace their line back to someone who had a crest. Perhaps a few words of caution are in order. There are lots of commercial operations who will come up with a "crest" for any family. Many [?most?] crests were not "hereditary". That is, they did not pass on to the children. Those that were passed on usually only went to the oldest son. Since most crests were "individual" not "family", different people with the same last name often had different crests. There are a few authoritative texts. Major genealogy libraries usually carry them. It is probably best not to trust the "texts" often found in stores that sell crests. Juhling McClung At 12:33 PM 7/3/01 -0400, David Kinney wrote: >Greetings to one and all, > >I am new to this list, and before I ask for assistance, I believe it would be proper and polite to say a little about myself. My name is David Kinney, I live in Windsor, CT in the US. My great grandfather was Anthony Carroll, born somewhere around 1867 - 1869 in (I have been told) Rathdowney, Co. Laois. I am very happy and excited to have found this list and its associated web site(s). > >Now, as to my question, I am searching for a Carroll crest, and have so far found 3! I am trying to find the most appropriate to my ancestry, and, as my intent is to have this tattooed permanently on my person, getting it right is very important! Any help would be most appreciated. > >Slainte, > >David > > > >

It is really fun to see if anyone in a family can trace their line back to someone who had a crest. Perhaps a few words of caution are in order. There are lots of commercial operations who will come up with a "crest" for any family. Many [?most?] crests were not "hereditary". That is, they did not pass on to the children. Those that were passed on usually only went to the oldest son. Since most crests were "individual" not "family", different people with the same last name often had different crests. There are a few authoritative texts. Major genealogy libraries usually carry them. It is probably best not to trust the "texts" often found in stores that sell crests. Juhling McClung At 12:33 PM 7/3/01 -0400, David Kinney wrote: >Greetings to one and all, > >I am new to this list, and before I ask for assistance, I believe it would be proper and polite to say a little about myself. My name is David Kinney, I live in Windsor, CT in the US. My great grandfather was Anthony Carroll, born somewhere around 1867 - 1869 in (I have been told) Rathdowney, Co. Laois. I am very happy and excited to have found this list and its associated web site(s). > >Now, as to my question, I am searching for a Carroll crest, and have so far found 3! I am trying to find the most appropriate to my ancestry, and, as my intent is to have this tattooed permanently on my person, getting it right is very important! Any help would be most appreciated. > >Slainte, > >David > > > >

Yup, couldn't have said it better myself. Crests were given to individuals for certain acts of bravery, heroism, or some other noteworthy deed. Most generally they just pertained to that one individual. On some occasions they were passed down to the eldest son. We, in this day and age, in this country, can't just order up a crest. Linda Carroll Bifulco ----- Original Message ----- From: "H. Juhling McClung" <mcclung.1@osu.edu> To: <CARROLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [CARROLL] Need Crest info > It is really fun to see if anyone in a family can trace their line back to > someone who had a crest. Perhaps a few words of caution are in order. > > There are lots of commercial operations who will come up with a "crest" for > any family. > Many [?most?] crests were not "hereditary". That is, they did not pass on > to the children. > Those that were passed on usually only went to the oldest son. > Since most crests were "individual" not "family", different people with the > same last name often had different crests. > There are a few authoritative texts. Major genealogy libraries usually > carry them. It is probably best not to trust the "texts" often found in > stores that sell crests. > > Juhling McClung > > At 12:33 PM 7/3/01 -0400, David Kinney wrote: > >Greetings to one and all, > > > >I am new to this list, and before I ask for assistance, I believe it would > be proper and polite to say a little about myself. My name is David Kinney, > I live in Windsor, CT in the US. My great grandfather was Anthony Carroll, > born somewhere around 1867 - 1869 in (I have been told) Rathdowney, Co. > Laois. I am very happy and excited to have found this list and its > associated web site(s). > > > >Now, as to my question, I am searching for a Carroll crest, and have so > far found 3! I am trying to find the most appropriate to my ancestry, and, > as my intent is to have this tattooed permanently on my person, getting it > right is very important! Any help would be most appreciated. > > > >Slainte, > > > >David > > > > > > > > >

http://www.family-crests.com/n_r.html this might help http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Cabana/1716/tree.html

Welcome to the list, David. I was aware of only one CARROLL Crest. Are the ones you know about on the internet? If so, would you give us the URLs for them? Thanks. Lura ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kinney" <dkinney@harriscomputer.com> To: <CARROLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:33 PM Subject: [CARROLL] Need Crest info > Greetings to one and all, > > I am new to this list, and before I ask for assistance, I believe it would be proper and polite to say a little about myself. My name is David Kinney, I live in Windsor, CT in the US. My great grandfather was Anthony Carroll, born somewhere around 1867 - 1869 in (I have been told) Rathdowney, Co. Laois. I am very happy and excited to have found this list and its associated web site(s). > > Now, as to my question, I am searching for a Carroll crest, and have so far found 3! I am trying to find the most appropriate to my ancestry, and, as my intent is to have this tattooed permanently on my person, getting it right is very iimportant! Any help would be most appreciated. > > Slainte, > > David > > >

My Carroll kin are Daniel Huff Carroll B.1815 Nc. and his bro.Sterling Carroll B.10-03-1806 Nc. Daniel Huff B.1815-nc. married 12-1837 they were married in Cheatham co. Nc. Mary Juliette Granvill Womble -Both died in Carroll co.Tn. their childern are : Thomas W. born:1838 Sarah born:1840 William T.born:1842 Josiah James born:1844 Sterling Dickson born:1845 Lydia born:1847 Susan born:1850 Martha born:1853in Bedford co.Tn. Sterling bro. to Daniel married Winnie Tillman in Cheatham co.Nc. They both died in Carroll co.Tn. This is all the info. i have on them until Martha married my Great grand father Deronda W.Smith in Carroll co. if you know of these people please let me know. Thank you. Elizabeth _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Greetings to one and all, I am new to this list, and before I ask for assistance, I believe it would be proper and polite to say a little about myself. My name is David Kinney, I live in Windsor, CT in the US. My great grandfather was Anthony Carroll, born somewhere around 1867 - 1869 in (I have been told) Rathdowney, Co. Laois. I am very happy and excited to have found this list and its associated web site(s). Now, as to my question, I am searching for a Carroll crest, and have so far found 3! I am trying to find the most appropriate to my ancestry, and, as my intent is to have this tattooed permanently on my person, getting it right is very iimportant! Any help would be most appreciated. Slainte, David

Jackie: Thanks for the reply. Yes this must be the same Absalom. I show He had 11 children. I'm not sure how they are divided among his four wives. I had not verified any data on Absaloms date/place of birth. This helps me a lot. If you need any information on other Carrolls....I have a considerable amount of data. Thanks very much. Charles Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: JACKIE <mjpurdy@cwnet.com> To: <CARROLL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [CARROLL] Re: CARROLL-D Digest V01 #80 > Alma, > I am not sure if this will be any help to you. I have been going back thru > some old e-mails this week. > I remembered the Absalom name as that was my , G.Grandfathers & Grandfathers > middle name.(Thomas Absalom Dutton) > It is one you don't hear very often. > I found in an e-mail I received in 2/1999, the following: > > CARROLL, ABSALOM > born 1762 - Johnston Co.NC > died ca 1828 MS > married as wife #4-S.C. ca 1800 Eleanor Robinson > This could possibly be the son of your Absalom who came from Ireland. > Let me know if this is any help. > > Jackie in Shingle Springs, CA. > > Researching: Hollingsworth, Carroll, Fryar, Gavin, Chesnutt, Gregory, in NC > Dasher, Bird, Hagan, Dutton, Foy in GA. > Covert, Fitzwater, Dains, Gould, Gunn in NY,PA,MI > Kinder, Bilyeu in KY,MO,OR > Purdy in NY, PA, OH, CA > > ----- Original Message ---- > - > From: <JohnR25442@aol.com> > To: <CARROLL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:41 AM > Subject: [CARROLL] Re: CARROLL-D Digest V01 #80 > > > > Lura, > > I do so wish that I could connect Absolum Carroll with a family. I > > think (don't have my papers handy, so this is from memory, as flawed as it > > may be!) that Absolum and his wife arrived in Baltimore, but as I said > this > > is without my papers handy. He was Methodist. I do know that and that may > > well be why he left Ireland. He left Cork for America. I think (without my > > papers, I am not 100% on this) that his son, Absolum fought in the > American > > Revolution. If so, his papers would be available and this may help to > connect > > to your ancestor. > > I only began my Carroll research a few years ago and have not done > a > > thorough job, but there are so many gracious Carroll descendants who share > > material that I think you will find your man. > > Good luck, > > Alma > > > > >

>From another board. I found it very interesting. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ann Farnsworth [SMTP:afarn@airmail.net] > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:26 PM > To: TXFREEST-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TXFREEST] Tracing English ancestors > > FINDING ENGLISH ANCESTORS IN THEIR NATURAL HABITAT > By Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CGSM > > Tracing English ancestors should be easy for Americans > because the language is the same, right? Wrong. Not > only do the Brits drive on the other side of the road > but they have some curious terms relating to > localities. Although many of these designations are > not commonly used today, it's helpful to understand > them when doing genealogical research. Here's just a > sampling: > Hundred. A subdivision of a county, so named for its > having originally contained either 100 families, 100 > fighting men, or 100 hides of land (roughly 12,000 > acres). > Hide of Land. An amount of land sufficient to support > one family; under old English law totaling 60 to 120 > acres or more, depending on local usage. The hide was > the basis of the earliest taxation and the basis for > mustering the primitive English militia, the fyrd. > Tithing. A unit of civil administration containing 10 > hides of land. > Chapelry. A part of a parish that has its own small > chapel. It may have a separate church register. These > are often indicated on parish maps. Some of your > ancestors' records may be in the regular parish book, > others in the chapelry. > Shire. A county. > Union. A unit of joint administration where two or > more parishes cooperate on the operation of a > workhouse for the poor. > Wapentake. An administrative division of the English > counties of York, Lincoln, Leicester, Nottingham, > Derby and Rutland -- the area of the former Danelaw > (that part of northern and central England once > controlled by the Danes and later, the Norwegians). > The term is of Scandinavian origin and originally > meant the taking of weapons; it later signified the > clash of arms by which the people assembled in a > local court expressed assent to its decision. > Manor. An estate under the ownership of a lord > entitled to hold its own court. > Liberty. A manor, or group of manors, or other area > lying outside the jurisdiction of the sheriff, and > having a separate 'Commission of the Peace.' > In gazetteers, you will often find the different > jurisdictions of a parish listed. These can be > important to genealogical research. For example, manor > records are major sources for proof of relationships > in the 15th-17th centuries. If you're having trouble > locating an English place name, possibly it is a farm > name or house name. There's now a gazetteer of British > place names on the Web: > http://www.abcounties.co.uk/newgaz/ > If all you have is the name of the shire for your > ancestor's origins, start a search in the market > towns. They are usually where hiring fairs were held, > and it may have been in the market town where your > ancestors met and married. Hiring fairs started as > early as the 14th century in England, and your > ancestors may have worked and lived in a market town, > and additional records about them may be in that > locality rather than in the parishes of their births. > English gazetteers note localities that were market > towns. If libraries in your area do not have good > gazetteers for England, consult Wilson's 'Imperial > Gazetteer of England and Wales,' which is on > microfiche and available at many Family History > Centers. For a Web site pertaining to British > counties, parishes and localities, see: > http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/counties.htm > > For additional links for English genealogical research > visit: http://www.cyndislist.com/england.htm > > > > > ==== TXFREEST Mailing List ==== > Support free genealogy on the Internet. Join Rootsweb.com today. > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

I posted yesterday but don't knowif it went thru so I am reposting: I am searching for a Mrs. Peggy Carroll that lived in Monroeville, Ohio in 1971 who gave birth to a baby girl the week of 4/5/71, at Fisher Titus Hospital in Norwalk, Ohio. I am searching for my biological family and she is the only woman on the hospital dismissal list that I have not been able to make contact with to talk to her about the birth. I was born 4/5/71 by a dr. named E. R. McLoney and was possibly given the name of Ivalee at birth. I had a brother and a sister that was 3 and 5 at the time. >From what I have been told by my adoptive parents, my mom and dad had ties to Pikeville, Ky, my grandmother.......Ivalee????? They took us to Pikeville and left....I guess we got too much for our grandmothr to handle so somewhere along the line I and possibly my siblings were fostered by a family named Sweet that may have been related (?) My siblings were adopted out first and I was placed for adoption at approx. 9 mos. old when my adoptive parents got me. The case worker was a Teresa Robinson from childrens services in Pikeville, Ky. and the atty was a Charles Lowe. I have spoken to both of them and they can't seem to remember anything about my adoption so naturally they are no help to me at all. If any of this sounds familiar to any of you Carroll's out there please contact me, I am trying desperately to find my family. I do not wish to disrupt anyones lives, I just want to know who I am and where I come from. I would like to be able to tell my baby daughter who her grandparents are and where here aunts and uncles are. If anyone can help please email me at: babbs455@aol.com. Thanks, Sincerely, Barbara