I like that assertion "...man with that name was brave enough..." Makes my blood boil. Viva USA! [email protected] wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: southard > Surnames: CARROLL CARRELL CARROL CARREL > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153.2/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Changes in spellings took place in different families at different times. > > When Alexander CARROL (name written by the clerk) was married in 1783, his father signed the marriage bond (his own signature) as Demcy CARREL. In the 1790 census nine families in Sampson County, NC were CARROLS. Ten years later those same people were all CARRELLS. Court documents during that time were a mixture of spellings. > > Alexander's son moved to Stokes County, NC, as Major Hardy CARRELL. His children would come home from school with line marked through the surname and a correction written over it by the teacher as CARROLL. They finally gave up and all in Stokes became CARROLLS. > > I think one reason CARROLL has become the more universal spelling is because a man with that name was brave enough to not only sign the Declaration of Independence, but also write down where the English could find him and probably hang him if they won the Revolutionary War. > > Lura > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ohibette Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My theory is years ago people did not know how to write. So, when they learned how to write their names they wrote it as it sounded according to the region they lived in. Also, keep in mind when Daniel Webster wrote his dictionary it was no longer English as the people from England pronounced words it became American English. My Carrol family was from VA in the 1700's. In 1850's the next generations were then living in Indiana. Part of this group moved to Illinois, they changed their spelling from Carrol to Carrell. Now we call all they Carrell's in our family the Illinois Carrell's. I t may have been intentional to change the spelling. Hope there is some information you can gleen from this message that helps answer your Carroll vs Carrell spelling. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This may help. Last week I spent time at the LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City researching Carroll's from County Down in the early 1800's. There were two variations of spellings that I found, Carroll and Carrol. It appears that the Carrol's were Presbyterian and the Carroll's were Catholic. Perhaps the dropping of the "L" was a way to demonstrate they were not Catholic. [email protected] wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: Ohibette > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > My theory is years ago people did not know how to write. So, when they learned how to write their names they wrote it as it sounded according to the region they lived in. > Also, keep in mind when Daniel Webster wrote his dictionary it was no longer English as the people from England pronounced words it became American English. > My Carrol family was from VA in the 1700's. In 1850's the next generations were then living in Indiana. Part of this group moved to Illinois, they changed their spelling from Carrol to Carrell. Now we call all they Carrell's in our family the Illinois Carrell's. I t may have been intentional to change the spelling. > Hope there is some information you can gleen from this message that helps answer your Carroll vs Carrell spelling. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Janet, I would also like a copy. Jackie Purdy Carroll, Hollingsworth, Fryar, Gavin, Chesnutt, Gregory, Merritt, Murray and related families, in Sampson and Duplin co.NC

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jhcarrell Surnames: Carrell, Carroll Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Can anyone give the definitive time when this variation came into being? This has been a greatly debated subject in my family's past generations. J.H. Carrell Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ohibette Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7152.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There are 21 Carroll's on Kingston Village 1850 census. If you do not belong to a website that has census records you may want to consider a subscription. It is worth every minute you spend researching fruitlessly. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ohibette Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7152.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Harriet is on the Kingston Village, Ulster County NY 1850 census with John 27, Catherine 27, Georgiana 7, Maria 5, John R. 4, and Harriet 2 all family members born in NY. Census taken 5 Oct 1850. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ohibette Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7152.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I haven't seen a Carroill yet that doesn't believe they are not related to Charles Carroll of Carrolton. Don't rule out any surname that is spelled different from yours. Remember years ago not all people knew how to write. For the ones that knew how to write they spelled like it sounded whether from NY or the South. Have you been using the census records for research on your Carroll's? Can't get much better than a census record in my humble opinion. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Missreardon Surnames: Carroll/Coffey/Reardon/Overlock/Winnard/Regnier Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7152/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I was wondering if anyone has a record of a Harriet Louisa Carrol born around 1852 In Kingston, Ny. Her mother might have been a catherine. It is believed that She is a decendant of Charles Carrol of Carrolton. Anyone else who has any info please let me know. I am lost and I know her parents could be John and Catharine. They also might have been born in New york but we have been told that she is a decendant of Charles Carrol but I cant make the link. Her death records and birth records some how may show an error and list it as Carl for her last name but Family info states she was a carroll. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42Murphy_WinstonCoMS Surnames: CARROLL Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7151/mb.ashx Message Board Post: CARROLL John 1878 1900 Aleta Krauss photographed this gravestone in the Murphy Creek Baptist Church Cemetery, Winston County, Mississippi. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 179,957 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42Murphy_WinstonCoMS Surnames: CARROLL Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7150/mb.ashx Message Board Post: CARROLL D S Aleta Krauss photographed this gravestone in the Murphy Creek Baptist Church Cemetery, Winston County, Mississippi. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 179,957 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42Murphy_WinstonCoMS Surnames: CARROLL Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7149/mb.ashx Message Board Post: CARROLL C M Aleta Krauss photographed this gravestone in the Murphy Creek Baptist Church Cemetery, Winston County, Mississippi. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 179,957 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42Murphy_WinstonCoMS Surnames: CARROLL Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7148/mb.ashx Message Board Post: CARROLL A J 1888 1888 Aleta Krauss photographed this gravestone in the Murphy Creek Baptist Church Cemetery, Winston County, Mississippi. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 179,957 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ann3tt31 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7147/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 1794 Britton Carril Warren Co,. Tax list Thank you all for your help. Maybe this will help. I am intrested in the Carrolls that were in Abbeville SC in the 1820 census 1794 Britton Carril Warron Co Ga Tax list 1810 Elizabeth Carrol m. Thomas Reddick Abbeville Joanna Carrol m. James Reddick Abbeville 1820 Abbeville census Willam Carrol Robert Carrol James Carrol Margaret Carrol Elizabeth Reddick Anna Reddick 1820 Warren Co. Ga census Briton Carroll 1m10/16 2m18/26 1m45 John Carroll 2m0/10 2m10/16 1m45 (I don't know if either of these men are connected to the Carrols from Abbeville.) 1830 Warren Co. Ga census Britton Carroll James W Carroll Robert E Carroll John Carroll Robert E Carroll is listed on the William Creek Church records in Warren Co GA Thanks Annette Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Dear Janet, YES... PLEASE... by all means! I will write you off list. Lura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Rogers" <[email protected]> To: "CARROLL-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: [CARROLL] Sampson County, NC Carroll's : Dear List ~ : There has been a great deal of discussion on the Sampson County, NC Carroll's as of the last few days. : I do business with one of these Carroll's on a daily basis. I spoke with him yesterday about maybe writing down what he knows about his paternal line to see if maybe we can help those who are at a dividing point. : If you would like, I will post it to the list when I have it from him. I can say that I have been teasing him for the past 3 years about our being related as whenever I go to town somone comments that I favor his family. : If you want what I get, please send me your email and I will make sure you get it, sometimes a list post by me doesn't get through. : : Blessings, : Janet : Hunting Durham Co/Lee Co/Wake Co, NC Carroll's - (my Carroll would have a Holder connection in the early 1900's)

I would be most interested in any Carroll/Carrell info. you can share. our Carrell's were found in Wilkes/Burke/Caldwell.Co. NC Thanks Dianna Researching; Carrell,Dellinger,Franklin,Gragg,Parks,Selby.Street(L. Carrell m.a Street and Elizabeth Carrell m Moses Franklin) There is a question that some of our Carrell's may have lived in Globe and Gragg Co.,NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Rogers" <[email protected]> To: "CARROLL-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: [CARROLL] Sampson County, NC Carroll's > Dear List ~ > There has been a great deal of discussion on the Sampson County, NC > Carroll's as of the last few days. > I do business with one of these Carroll's on a daily basis. I spoke > with him yesterday about maybe writing down what he knows about his > paternal line to see if maybe we can help those who are at a dividing > point. > If you would like, I will post it to the list when I have it from him. > I can say that I have been teasing him for the past 3 years about our > being related as whenever I go to town somone comments that I favor his > family. > If you want what I get, please send me your email and I will make sure > you get it, sometimes a list post by me doesn't get through. > > Blessings, > Janet > Hunting Durham Co/Lee Co/Wake Co, NC Carroll's - (my Carroll would have a > Holder connection in the early 1900's) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Janet, I would like a copy of anything you get. Thanks Clifford Eubanks [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Rogers" <[email protected]> To: "CARROLL-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: [CARROLL] Sampson County, NC Carroll's > Dear List ~ > There has been a great deal of discussion on the Sampson County, NC > Carroll's as of the last few days. > I do business with one of these Carroll's on a daily basis. I spoke > with him yesterday about maybe writing down what he knows about his > paternal line to see if maybe we can help those who are at a dividing > point. > If you would like, I will post it to the list when I have it from him. > I can say that I have been teasing him for the past 3 years about our > being related as whenever I go to town somone comments that I favor his > family. > If you want what I get, please send me your email and I will make sure > you get it, sometimes a list post by me doesn't get through. > > Blessings, > Janet > Hunting Durham Co/Lee Co/Wake Co, NC Carroll's - (my Carroll would have a > Holder connection in the early 1900's) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Dear List ~ There has been a great deal of discussion on the Sampson County, NC Carroll's as of the last few days. I do business with one of these Carroll's on a daily basis. I spoke with him yesterday about maybe writing down what he knows about his paternal line to see if maybe we can help those who are at a dividing point. If you would like, I will post it to the list when I have it from him. I can say that I have been teasing him for the past 3 years about our being related as whenever I go to town somone comments that I favor his family. If you want what I get, please send me your email and I will make sure you get it, sometimes a list post by me doesn't get through. Blessings, Janet Hunting Durham Co/Lee Co/Wake Co, NC Carroll's - (my Carroll would have a Holder connection in the early 1900's)

Lura: Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I have been able to find my Carroll relatives back to Liverpool in the 1851 English Census. My Great Grandfather, Francis Carroll, was just a baby. He was the one that made it to North America circa 1866. He was put on a commercial ship at age seven as a cabin boy and eventually jumped ship in Maine and settled in Gloucester, Mass.. The English Census states that his father Henry and mother Mary, was born in Ireland. Searching parish records in Liverpool have been difficult and tedious especially since I was not sure of their religion. I never found a baptismal record or English birth record for Francis and that has made me consider that he may have been born in Ireland. So I have been searching parish records in County Down due to the assumptions I have made (stated in previous e-mail). Regards, Mike Lura wrote: > Mike, > > Most men with the surname of Carroll may have a lineage that leads > back to Ireland, but I don't believe we can assume that until the > research is done. > > At least two CARROLLS have learned since taking the DNA test that > their ancient background was from Eastern Europe. With that knowledge > they searched and found the ancestor with the Germans in PA. > > John Kirrell and Richard Kirrill were stockholders in the Virginia > Company of London and were in the Jamestown settlement by 1620. That > does not prove they lived in England, but it seems that they might > have. > > We have no idea yet where the Carrolls of Sampson County, NC were > before coming to that area, so we can't assume an Irish Sept. My > father did tell me that we were Scots-Irish, but his sister told me > that we were descended from Charles Carroll of Carrollton! I have > learned we can't depend on the stories we have been told, and I surely > won't decide my ancestry on a gut feeling.... but I don't think there > is any question about the facts on a DNA chart. Most court records > and census returns are accurate, too. Genealogy relies on facts. > > When you have opportunity to research in places like the LDS Library, > you might have better success if you study the court records, land > records, census records, etc. where your earliest known ancestor Henry > (according to the DNA chart) lived rather than trying to start in > Ireland and come west from there. If you learn that Henry was the > earliest ancestor on this continent, then try to find him on a ship > list. > > I guess folks have different reasons for doing genealogy. If we set > out to prove a forgone conclusion, we may be disappointed with the > result. If we just want to know who we are, the end result will > always be wonderful, because no matter what we learn about our > ancestors, it won't change who they helped us to become. > > Lura > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Carrroll" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [CARROLL] Britton Carroll SC, Ga > > : Lura: > : > : I am not exactly discouraged. I am just stuck and still just going > off > : gut feelings. When I saw the similarities between my kit and the > North > : Carolina kits it reinforced my origins research direction of County > : Down, County Louth and Couth Antrim. Since it is known that many of > the > : the early settlers of North America were from Northern Ireland, this > : North Carolina group I assume originated from Northern Ireland. My > : recently passed genealogist cousin from County Kildare said that she > : relied on gut feelings. Back in 1999 she said that her gut feelings > : told her that my Carroll's were from County Down. At that time, I > did > : not want to believe that since I assumed that my Carroll's came from > : Central Ireland (County Offaly, County Tipperary) based on nothing. > : However, with my increased education of the the five Carroll septs > and > : learning that County Louth is the homeland of the Oriel sept, I was > : becoming convinced my cousin may be correct with her gut feeling. > This > : week I spent two days at the Family History Library in Salt Lake > City > : searching County Down Carroll's. I found Carrol's who were > Presbytarian > : and Carroll's that were Catholic. The only name that was common to > the > : Carroll's and the Carrol's were the name Elizabeth and Henry. > Anyway, > : I will keep searching until I strike at the truth . > : > : Regards, Mike Carroll > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Mike, Most men with the surname of Carroll may have a lineage that leads back to Ireland, but I don't believe we can assume that until the research is done. At least two CARROLLS have learned since taking the DNA test that their ancient background was from Eastern Europe. With that knowledge they searched and found the ancestor with the Germans in PA. John Kirrell and Richard Kirrill were stockholders in the Virginia Company of London and were in the Jamestown settlement by 1620. That does not prove they lived in England, but it seems that they might have. We have no idea yet where the Carrolls of Sampson County, NC were before coming to that area, so we can't assume an Irish Sept. My father did tell me that we were Scots-Irish, but his sister told me that we were descended from Charles Carroll of Carrollton! I have learned we can't depend on the stories we have been told, and I surely won't decide my ancestry on a gut feeling.... but I don't think there is any question about the facts on a DNA chart. Most court records and census returns are accurate, too. Genealogy relies on facts. When you have opportunity to research in places like the LDS Library, you might have better success if you study the court records, land records, census records, etc. where your earliest known ancestor Henry (according to the DNA chart) lived rather than trying to start in Ireland and come west from there. If you learn that Henry was the earliest ancestor on this continent, then try to find him on a ship list. I guess folks have different reasons for doing genealogy. If we set out to prove a forgone conclusion, we may be disappointed with the result. If we just want to know who we are, the end result will always be wonderful, because no matter what we learn about our ancestors, it won't change who they helped us to become. Lura >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Carrroll" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [CARROLL] Britton Carroll SC, Ga : Lura: : : I am not exactly discouraged. I am just stuck and still just going off : gut feelings. When I saw the similarities between my kit and the North : Carolina kits it reinforced my origins research direction of County : Down, County Louth and Couth Antrim. Since it is known that many of the : the early settlers of North America were from Northern Ireland, this : North Carolina group I assume originated from Northern Ireland. My : recently passed genealogist cousin from County Kildare said that she : relied on gut feelings. Back in 1999 she said that her gut feelings : told her that my Carroll's were from County Down. At that time, I did : not want to believe that since I assumed that my Carroll's came from : Central Ireland (County Offaly, County Tipperary) based on nothing. : However, with my increased education of the the five Carroll septs and : learning that County Louth is the homeland of the Oriel sept, I was : becoming convinced my cousin may be correct with her gut feeling. This : week I spent two days at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City : searching County Down Carroll's. I found Carrol's who were Presbytarian : and Carroll's that were Catholic. The only name that was common to the : Carroll's and the Carrol's were the name Elizabeth and Henry. Anyway, : I will keep searching until I strike at the truth . : : Regards, Mike Carroll