> Joyce, I noticed you had Martha's last name spelled Hogg. Martha's last name is spelled HUGG. I know though that sometimes they weren't good at spelling or just changed it for whatever reason. Karen Karen wrote: > > > '' Carroll is the grandfather of my GG grandmother Martha E HUGG who > married >> John J Hammett. Her parents were William J Hugg & Martha Carroll, >> daughter of Joseph Carroll & ?. There are so many Joseph Carrolls that >> it >> is very confusing.'' > > > > Joyce wrote: > > AAA HHHHAAAAHHHH! > > > Mary Gaston was the daughter of Joseph Gaston (Rev. War Vet). Joseph > being > the son of Justice John Gaston. The same Joseph as written about in the > last report I sent you-all. > > Mary's sister, Narcissa was the one who m. Samuel Lewis...again in the > last > report. > > Mary Gaston born 1712 died 1802 in Chester Dist. She m. Justice James > McClure. > Her children include; > William McClure > Capt. John McClure > Hugh McClure > > I'll concentrate on Capt. John McClure now. > He was born 1780 died Battle of Hanging Rock buried Charlotte, Mecklenburg > Co NC. married Mary Porter. > The children of John and Mary McClure include: > Hannah b 1794 d 1833 m John Poag. > > James Poag was the son of James Poag and Mary Hogg. > > I'm going to do a bit of digging now to see about the relationship between > Mary and Karen's Martha Hogg > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes Larry. My kit # is 31491. What is your kit #? -Mike L Carroll wrote: > Mike, > have you done a DNA test yet? > Larry Carroll > [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Carrroll" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:41 AM > Subject: Re: [CARROLL] From Carroll to Carrell? > > >> I like that assertion "...man with that name was brave enough..." Makes >> my blood boil. Viva USA! >> >> [email protected] wrote: >>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >>> >>> Author: southard >>> Surnames: CARROLL CARRELL CARROL CARREL >>> Classification: queries >>> >>> Message Board URL: >>> >>> http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153.2/mb.ashx >>> >>> Message Board Post: >>> >>> Changes in spellings took place in different families at different >>> times. >>> >>> When Alexander CARROL (name written by the clerk) was married in >>> 1783, his father signed the marriage bond (his own signature) as >>> Demcy CARREL. In the 1790 census nine families in Sampson County, NC >>> were CARROLS. Ten years later those same people were all CARRELLS. >>> Court documents during that time were a mixture of spellings. >>> >>> Alexander's son moved to Stokes County, NC, as Major Hardy CARRELL. >>> His children would come home from school with line marked through >>> the surname and a correction written over it by the teacher as >>> CARROLL. They finally gave up and all in Stokes became CARROLLS. >>> >>> I think one reason CARROLL has become the more universal spelling is >>> because a man with that name was brave enough to not only sign the >>> Declaration of Independence, but also write down where the English >>> could find him and probably hang him if they won the Revolutionary War. >>> >>> Lura >>> >>> Important Note: >>> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If >>> you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board >>> URL link above and respond on the board. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >

Mike, have you done a DNA test yet? Larry Carroll [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Carrroll" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [CARROLL] From Carroll to Carrell? >I like that assertion "...man with that name was brave enough..." Makes > my blood boil. Viva USA! > > [email protected] wrote: >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: southard >> Surnames: CARROLL CARRELL CARROL CARREL >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153.2/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Changes in spellings took place in different families at different times. >> >> When Alexander CARROL (name written by the clerk) was married in 1783, >> his father signed the marriage bond (his own signature) as Demcy CARREL. >> In the 1790 census nine families in Sampson County, NC were CARROLS. Ten >> years later those same people were all CARRELLS. Court documents during >> that time were a mixture of spellings. >> >> Alexander's son moved to Stokes County, NC, as Major Hardy CARRELL. His >> children would come home from school with line marked through the surname >> and a correction written over it by the teacher as CARROLL. They finally >> gave up and all in Stokes became CARROLLS. >> >> I think one reason CARROLL has become the more universal spelling is >> because a man with that name was brave enough to not only sign the >> Declaration of Independence, but also write down where the English could >> find him and probably hang him if they won the Revolutionary War. >> >> Lura >> >> Important Note: >> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you >> would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link >> above and respond on the board. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Karen wrote: '' Carroll is the grandfather of my GG grandmother Martha E HUGG who married > John J Hammett. Her parents were William J Hugg & Martha Carroll, > daughter of Joseph Carroll & ?. There are so many Joseph Carrolls that it > is very confusing.'' Joyce wrote: AAA HHHHAAAAHHHH! Mary Gaston was the daughter of Joseph Gaston (Rev. War Vet). Joseph being the son of Justice John Gaston. The same Joseph as written about in the last report I sent you-all. Mary's sister, Narcissa was the one who m. Samuel Lewis...again in the last report. Mary Gaston born 1712 died 1802 in Chester Dist. She m. Justice James McClure. Her children include; William McClure Capt. John McClure Hugh McClure I'll concentrate on Capt. John McClure now. He was born 1780 died Battle of Hanging Rock buried Charlotte, Mecklenburg Co NC. married Mary Porter. The children of John and Mary McClure include: Hannah b 1794 d 1833 m John Poag. James Poag was the son of James Poag and Mary Hogg. I'm going to do a bit of digging now to see about the relationship between Mary and Karen's Martha Hogg Joyce Gaston Reece

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: southard Surnames: CARROLL CARRELL Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153.2.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for replying. Do you know where in NC James Hamilton died? Lura Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jhcarrell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Note* there are some discrepencies about where Thomas Benjamin was born ... some sources claim GA others claim Ireland. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jhcarrell Surnames: Carrell, Carroll Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It happened in Lamar and Fayette County, but the majority stayed with the Carrell spelling. My earliest confirmed ancestor (that I've found so far) is James Hamilton Carrell b. 1754, County Louth, Ireland d. 1803, North Carolina, USA ^Thomas Benjamin Carrell b. 15 Nov 1797, Carroll, Georgia, USA d. May 1860, Draketown, Paulding County, Georgia, USA ^^James Andrew Carrell b. 18 Mar 1833 d. 2 Jun 1913 While researching I came across the *oll and *ell spellings for Thomas Benjamin and James Hamilton, but I know that James Andrew's son's tombstone is spelled *ell. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Karen Did you send me your Carroll lineage? I suppose you know these Carroll's we're looking at in relation to the Lewis/Gaston's. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen G Dougherty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [CARROLL] From Carroll to Carrell? > > > My Carrell ancestors changed from spelling their name Carrell to Carroll > when they moved from Richland District,SC to across the river.Same > family. I descend from Joseph Carrell whose son Joseph Carroll married > Martha E Hugg, daughter of William J Hugg,also of Richland District,SC. I > believe this was back in 1700's when they changed the spelling. > > KG Dougherty > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: southard >> Surnames: CARROLL CARRELL >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153.2.1.1/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Where in AL did this change take place, and who was your earliest >> ancestor? Perhaps some of us can relate to your family. >> Lura >> >> Important Note: >> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you >> would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link >> above and respond on the board. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: > 10/10/2007 8:43 AM > >

> I think I did, but maybe not. I don't have a lot. I know that Joseph Carroll is the grandfather of my GG grandmother Martha E HUGG who married John J Hammett. Her parents were William J Hugg & Martha Carroll, daughter of Joseph Carroll & ?. There are so many Joseph Carrolls that it is very confusing. I have these wills, the earliest being the start of the Carrell family in Richland District,SC. If we had a FAX machine, I might could do it. I know, my daughter & son in law have one.I'll see if they would mind me using it. Although I would have to do them one at a time,depending on if you want them all. I have two or three Joseph Carrolls(one is spelled Carrell. This is the father of all of them), a John, a Jacob, one or two Williams,etc.The wife of the earlier Joseph Carrell/Carroll is Jeanett. I'll look & see what I have,unless you already have them.I'll pick out the ones I think pertain to me.Like I said it's really confusing. There is a Joseph Carroll that moved to Missouri, and I thought maybe this might be my Martha Carroll's father,but I don't know. Karen Karen > > Did you send me your Carroll lineage? > > I suppose you know these Carroll's we're looking at in relation to the > Lewis/Gaston's. > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen G Dougherty" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:46 PM > Subject: Re: [CARROLL] From Carroll to Carrell? > > >> > >> My Carrell ancestors changed from spelling their name Carrell to Carroll >> when they moved from Richland District,SC to across the river.Same >> family. I descend from Joseph Carrell whose son Joseph Carroll married >> Martha E Hugg, daughter of William J Hugg,also of Richland District,SC. >> I >> believe this was back in 1700's when they changed the spelling. >> >> KG Dougherty >> >> >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >>> >>> Author: southard >>> Surnames: CARROLL CARRELL >>> Classification: queries >>> >>> Message Board URL: >>> >>> http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153.2.1.1/mb.ashx >>> >>> Message Board Post: >>> >>> Where in AL did this change take place, and who was your earliest >>> ancestor? Perhaps some of us can relate to your family. >>> Lura >>> >>> Important Note: >>> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you >>> would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link >>> above and respond on the board. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1061 - Release Date: >> 10/10/2007 8:43 AM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Joan: Interesting story. Have you submitted a Y-DNA sample to the Carroll Surnname Project? Thanks, Mike [email protected] wrote: > With my family the > change of spelling came when our Irish ancestors? Migrated to Canada.? > They used a different last name while they > were in Canada, supposedly hiding from the English who where in control there during the late 1700's & early 1800's.? They used the? 'dit '? (-?? 'otherwise know > as..."? )? name? of Rufiange (because they were refugees)?? Then when they came to the > USA, they changed the Carroll spelling to Carrell and passed themselves off as Canadian because the 'Irish were not > welcome" . > > > > I am still looking for the connect to Ireland via France where the children were schooled. > > > > Good luck in your search, ? Joan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Carrroll <[email protected]> > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:41 am > Subject: Re: [CARROLL] From Carroll to Carrell? > > > > > > > > > > > I like that assertion "...man with that name was brave enough..." Makes > my blood boil. Viva USA! > > [email protected] wrote: > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: southard >> Surnames: CARROLL CARRELL CARROL CARREL >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153.2/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Changes in spellings took place in different families at different times. >> >> When Alexander CARROL (name written by the clerk) was married in 1783, his >> > father signed the marriage bond (his own signature) as Demcy CARREL. In the > 1790 census nine families in Sampson County, NC were CARROLS. Ten years later > those same people were all CARRELLS. Court documents during that time were a > mixture of spellings. > >> Alexander's son moved to Stokes County, NC, as Major Hardy CARRELL. His >> > children would come home from school with line marked through the surname and a > correction written over it by the teacher as CARROLL. They finally gave up and > all in Stokes became CARROLLS. > >> I think one reason CARROLL has become the more universal spelling is because a >> > man with that name was brave enough to not only sign the Declaration of > Independence, but also write down where the English could find him and probably > hang him if they won the Revolutionary War. > >> Lura >> >> Important Note: >> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would >> > like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and > respond on the board. > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: southard Surnames: CARROLL CARRELL Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Where in AL did this change take place, and who was your earliest ancestor? Perhaps some of us can relate to your family. Lura Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jhcarrell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for your replies. There was a big debate over the spelling with some of my extended family (here in Alabama) years back and one sect of decided to legally change from Carrell to Carroll (which they claimed was the "correct" spelling) Even went so far as to change their fathers tombstone to reflect it even though he had always used the *ell spelling in life. As I understand it, there was a bit of a falling out over it. Only later did I come to find out we're all related at one point or another and that there are numerous spelling variations. I've just been trying to find the points in which each variation came into being .. a task that has proven to be difficult. J.H. Carrell Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Elaine: Thank you for confirming the "l" trend. I knew a Luke Carroll who is now passed that lived in Barrington Hills, Illinois. He informed me in the 1970's that his Carroll's came from Virginia. If you are interested, I can search out to see if that family still lives there and get you a phone number or address. Best regards, Mike Carroll Elaine O'Neill wrote: > Mike, > > This is entirely possible. We've been told that the difference between > "O'Neill" and "O'Neil" is that with one "L" was Protestant, and with > "LL" it was Catholic. > > > To keep on topic, I am researching the family of Luke Carroll/Carrell > from VA to TN. Eliza Carroll married William Lockmiller 30 Nov 1825, > Rhea County, TN > > Elaine O' > Hollister, MO > > On 10/10/07, Mike Carrroll <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This may help. Last week I spent time at the LDS Family History Library >> in Salt Lake City researching Carroll's from County Down in the early >> 1800's. There were two variations of spellings that I found, Carroll >> and Carrol. It appears that the Carrol's were Presbyterian and the >> Carroll's were Catholic. Perhaps the dropping of the "L" was a way to >> demonstrate they were not Catholic. >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

> My Carrell ancestors changed from spelling their name Carrell to Carroll when they moved from Richland District,SC to across the river.Same family. I descend from Joseph Carrell whose son Joseph Carroll married Martha E Hugg, daughter of William J Hugg,also of Richland District,SC. I believe this was back in 1700's when they changed the spelling. KG Dougherty This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: southard > Surnames: CARROLL CARRELL > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153.2.1.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Where in AL did this change take place, and who was your earliest > ancestor? Perhaps some of us can relate to your family. > Lura > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: southard Surnames: CARROLL CARRELL CARROL CARREL Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Changes in spellings took place in different families at different times. When Alexander CARROL (name written by the clerk) was married in 1783, his father signed the marriage bond (his own signature) as Demcy CARREL. In the 1790 census nine families in Sampson County, NC were CARROLS. Ten years later those same people were all CARRELLS. Court documents during that time were a mixture of spellings. Alexander's son moved to Stokes County, NC, as Major Hardy CARRELL. His children would come home from school with line marked through the surname and a correction written over it by the teacher as CARROLL. They finally gave up and all in Stokes became CARROLLS. I think one reason CARROLL has become the more universal spelling is because a man with that name was brave enough to not only sign the Declaration of Independence, but also write down where the English could find him and probably hang him if they won the Revolutionary War. Lura Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Mike, This is entirely possible. We've been told that the difference between "O'Neill" and "O'Neil" is that with one "L" was Protestant, and with "LL" it was Catholic. To keep on topic, I am researching the family of Luke Carroll/Carrell from VA to TN. Eliza Carroll married William Lockmiller 30 Nov 1825, Rhea County, TN Elaine O' Hollister, MO On 10/10/07, Mike Carrroll <[email protected]> wrote: > This may help. Last week I spent time at the LDS Family History Library > in Salt Lake City researching Carroll's from County Down in the early > 1800's. There were two variations of spellings that I found, Carroll > and Carrol. It appears that the Carrol's were Presbyterian and the > Carroll's were Catholic. Perhaps the dropping of the "L" was a way to > demonstrate they were not Catholic. >

With my family the change of spelling came when our Irish ancestors? Migrated to Canada.? They used a different last name while they were in Canada, supposedly hiding from the English who where in control there during the late 1700's & early 1800's.? They used the? 'dit '? (-?? 'otherwise know as..."? )? name? of Rufiange (because they were refugees)?? Then when they came to the USA, they changed the Carroll spelling to Carrell and passed themselves off as Canadian because the 'Irish were not welcome" . I am still looking for the connect to Ireland via France where the children were schooled. Good luck in your search, ? Joan -----Original Message----- From: Mike Carrroll <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:41 am Subject: Re: [CARROLL] From Carroll to Carrell? I like that assertion "...man with that name was brave enough..." Makes my blood boil. Viva USA! [email protected] wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: southard > Surnames: CARROLL CARRELL CARROL CARREL > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153.2/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Changes in spellings took place in different families at different times. > > When Alexander CARROL (name written by the clerk) was married in 1783, his father signed the marriage bond (his own signature) as Demcy CARREL. In the 1790 census nine families in Sampson County, NC were CARROLS. Ten years later those same people were all CARRELLS. Court documents during that time were a mixture of spellings. > > Alexander's son moved to Stokes County, NC, as Major Hardy CARRELL. His children would come home from school with line marked through the surname and a correction written over it by the teacher as CARROLL. They finally gave up and all in Stokes became CARROLLS. > > I think one reason CARROLL has become the more universal spelling is because a man with that name was brave enough to not only sign the Declaration of Independence, but also write down where the English could find him and probably hang him if they won the Revolutionary War. > > Lura > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

With my family the change of spelling came when our Irish ancestors? Migrated to Canada.? They used a different last name [a 'dit ' name -? an 'otherwise know as..."? name]? of Rufiange (because they were refugees)?? while they were in Canada (supposedly hiding from the English who where in controll there during the early 1800's)? Then when they came to the USA, they passed themselves off as Canadian because the 'Irish were not welcome" and changed the spelling to Carrell. I am still looking for the connect to Ireland via France where the children were schooled. Good luck in your search, ? Joan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 4:33 pm Subject: [CARROLL] From Carroll to Carrell? This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jhcarrell Surnames: Carrell, Carroll Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Can anyone give the definitive time when this variation came into being? This has been a greatly debated subject in my family's past generations. J.H. Carrell Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

Indeed! The Irish/Maryland Carroll family motto was "Anywhere so long as there be freedom". :-) See http://www.charlescarrollhouse.com/history.shtml Eric > [Original Message] > From: Mike Carrroll <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Date: 10/10/2007 8:45:14 AM > Subject: Re: [CARROLL] From Carroll to Carrell? > > I like that assertion "...man with that name was brave enough..." Makes > my blood boil. Viva USA! > > [email protected] wrote: > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > Author: southard > > Surnames: CARROLL CARRELL CARROL CARREL > > Classification: queries > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153.2/mb.ashx > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > Changes in spellings took place in different families at different times. > > > > When Alexander CARROL (name written by the clerk) was married in 1783, his father signed the marriage bond (his own signature) as Demcy CARREL. In the 1790 census nine families in Sampson County, NC were CARROLS. Ten years later those same people were all CARRELLS. Court documents during that time were a mixture of spellings. > > > > Alexander's son moved to Stokes County, NC, as Major Hardy CARRELL. His children would come home from school with line marked through the surname and a correction written over it by the teacher as CARROLL. They finally gave up and all in Stokes became CARROLLS. > > > > I think one reason CARROLL has become the more universal spelling is because a man with that name was brave enough to not only sign the Declaration of Independence, but also write down where the English could find him and probably hang him if they won the Revolutionary War. > > > > Lura > > > > Important Note: > > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My "Carroll" started I believe as "Karol" or "Carle" in Central Europe, which simply means Charles or Carl. In colonial Pennsylvania it morphed into Carrol and Carrel. After 1812 the family was in that part of Jefferson County, Ohio, which became Carroll County in 1832, named after Charles Carroll of Carrollton who died in that year. By 1850 most of them had adopted the current Carroll spelling... They are not Irish... I use Soundex C640 for searches Eric > [Original Message] > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Date: 10/10/2007 8:25:24 AM > Subject: Re: [CARROLL] From Carroll to Carrell? > > > With my family the change of spelling came when our Irish ancestors? Migrated to Canada.? They used a different last name [a 'dit ' name -? an 'otherwise know as..."? name]? of Rufiange (because they were refugees)?? while they were in Canada (supposedly hiding from the English who where in controll there during the early 1800's)? Then when they came to the USA, they passed themselves off as Canadian because the 'Irish were not welcome" and changed the spelling to Carrell. > > I am still looking for the connect to Ireland via France where the children were schooled. > > Good luck in your search, ? Joan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 4:33 pm > Subject: [CARROLL] From Carroll to Carrell? > > > > > > > > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: jhcarrell > Surnames: Carrell, Carroll > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/7153/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Can anyone give the definitive time when this variation came into being? > > This has been a greatly debated subject in my family's past generations. > > J.H. Carrell > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like > to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond > on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message