I am looking for any information on a Thomas J. Carpenter who was born in 1841 in Chemung County. He died in 1903 in the town of Veteran, Chemung County, New York. His first wife's name was Helen M. I want to know what her maiden name was. They had 5 children together before she passed away after giving birth to my great grandfather Thomas J. Turner. He has the last name Turner because he was raised by George and Betsy Turner after his mother passed away. Although he was never legally adopted. The other children born to this marriage were, Mary Carpenter (MacDougall), George Carpenter, Amy Carpenter (Vary), and Helen Carpenter (Thalheimer). Thomas J. Carpenter remarried after Helen died, to a Margaret Swartout and they had one child named Frank H. Carpenter. I believe that Helen Carpenter (Thalheimer) was raised by another family also, but I am not positive. If anyone has any information please send it to me. I am looking for the names of Thomas J. Carpenter's parents, Helen's maiden name, etc. I hope someone out there can help me on this quest. I have a copy of Thomas J. Carpenter's will. >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: CARPENTER-D Digest V04 #139 >Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:00:15 -0700 > >Content-Type: text/plain > >CARPENTER-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 139 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Fw: Carpenter English Lineage Null ["John R Carpenter 2" ><johnrcarpent] > #2 Re: Gene Zubrinsky's most recent C [[email protected]] > #3 NEW CARPENTER ARTICLES IN NEHGR [[email protected]] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from CARPENTER-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________ >X-Message: #1 >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:54:48 -0800 >From: "John R Carpenter 2" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Cc: <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Fw: Carpenter English Lineage Nullified >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Subject: Carpenter English Lineage Nullified > > >Carpenter Family Update > >December 2004 > >Carpenter English Lineage Nullified > > > >In the Carpenters' Encyclopedia of Carpenters (CE CD 2001) introduction, I >wrote the following: > >". genealogy or family history works are never completed ... because of >births, deaths, new > >material ... This CE CD version 2001 is dedicated to the Carpenter Family >Researchers who > >contributed to it, use it, add to it, and correct the errors in it" >(emphasis added). In the > >last section was this: "ALL WORKS OF MEN (and women) are imperfect. If you >find an error, > >and there is no doubt you will find some, please let me know." > > > >Many of you have taken the challenge and have made corrections and >additions to your lines. > >Gene Zubrinsky of Ojai, California, in particular has been forthright in >his effort to correct > >the errors to the Carpenter English ancestry he has seen in the CE CD 2001 >and elsewhere. > > > >Most of us are not even remotely proficient reading old English wills. >Having experience with > >sixteenth- and seventeenth-century handwriting, however, John F. Chandler, >Gene Zubrinsky and > >Terry L. Carpenter have been collecting and looking at the wills to glean >any clues that could > >help on the Carpenter ancestry. Gene has reviewed the recorded will of Rev. >Richard Carpenter > >(b. abt 1468, of Homme, Herefordshire; d. Wiltshire, 1503 [CE CD 2001, RIN >ref. no. 2781]) and > >found that it describes each of two beneficiaries, Robert and Peter (no >surnames given), not as > >"sonne/sunne" but as "svnt" (i.e., servant). (The difference is hard to >see when you are > >expecting to see sons listed in that part of the will.) > > > >The rest of us, John, Terry, and I, concur with his interpretation. (A PDF >file of the > >will-Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 13 Blanyr [PROB 11/13]-may be >purchased online at > >www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk; it is also available on FHL >film 0,091,903, and a > >copy is posted on my web page at: > >http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/a/r/John-R-Carpenter/PHOTO/0019photo.html > > > >This finding refutes the assertions of earlier researchers that Rev. >Richard Carpenter was the > >father of Robert Carpenter of Upton Scudamore and thus invalidates the >English lineage claimed > >for the Rehoboth and Providence Carpenters from Rev. Richard Carpenter >backward. > > > >Captain William Carpenter-584 (b. England abt 1605; d. Rehoboth 1658[/9?]) >came to America on > >the Bevis. It is certain that his father, who accompanied him, was also >named William > >Carpenter-98 (b. England abt 1576; d. abt 1638). Extensive reviews of >earlier research, however, > >have not found documentation or evidence that Robert Carpenter of >Marden-14708 (b. abt 1545; d. > >abt 1607) was the latter William's father, as previously claimed. Thus the >lineage to William > >Carpenter-14711 (b. abt 1520; d. abt 1587) and then to Robert Carpenter of >Upton Scudamore-14706 > >(b. abt 1495; d. abt 1545) is dubious. Even without the discovery of the >aforementioned errors > >in the will of Rev. Richard Carpenter, the lineage it nullifies would >therefore still be doubtful. > >The ancestry has not been proved as earlier given. > > > >As to the ancestry of the Providence Carpenters, recent findings seem to >point away from Marden > >and toward Newton Toney, adjacent to Amesbury (see The New England >Historical and Genealogical > >Register 159 [January 2005]:66, 67n). > > > >While this nullification of the Carpenter English ancestry has occurred, >the rightful pieces of > >the jig-saw puzzle will hopefully fall in place with more diligent >research. I encourage all > >Carpenter researchers to share what they find and to document where the >information came from. > >This way their new information can be verified by others. > > > >John R. Carpenter > >La Mesa, CA > > > > > > > >______________________________ >X-Message: #2 >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:47:47 EST >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Gene Zubrinsky's most recent Carpenter article >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > >In a message dated 12/29/2004 12:00:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Connie >writes: > ><< Is it published yet? Is it in TAG or in NEHGR? >> > > > >Thanks for asking, Connie. Two Carpenter articles will appear in the >January 2005 issue of the _Register_ (NEHGR), but since it probably won't >be >available until February, I was going to wait until, say, mid January to >announce >them and list the highlights. But since you've raised the issue, I might >as >well do it now (see separate posting, this date). > >Gene > >______________________________ >X-Message: #3 >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:48:28 EST >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: NEW CARPENTER ARTICLES IN NEHGR >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > >NEW CARPENTER ARTICLES > >Two articles pertaining both to the Carpenter family of Rehoboth, >Massachusetts, and that of Providence, Rhode Island, will appear in the >January 2005 >issue of ­_The New England Historical and Genealogical Register_ (it >might >not be available until February). The highlights of each are listed >below: >"Three John Carpenters: A Chain of Mistaken Identities" > * Identifies John Carpenter of East Greenwich, Rhode Island >(c.1667-1753), as the son of Joseph3 (William2 of Rehoboth) and Margaret >(Sutton) >Carpenter--not of Joseph's brother Abiah3--and presents as much basic data >about >him, his wives, and children (Martha, Mary, Sarah, Diadema, Prudence, >Cornel, >Dinah, and Joseph, who are often misattributed to another John Carpenter, >son >of Oliver4 [Abiah3]) as available records permit > * Corrects the commonly accepted year of Margaret (Sutton) >Carpenter's >death (1676, not 1700) > * Identifies John Carpenter of Norwich, Windham, and Stafford, >Connecticut (c.1694-1766), as the son of Oliver4 Carpenter (Abiah3)--not >of >Benjamin4 and Renew (Weeks) Carpenter--and presents as much basic data >about him, >his wives ([1] Sarah ______ and [2] Martha [Gould] Hibbard), and children >(Sarah, Lois [not Louis], Mehitabel, Huldah, John [b. 30 April 1728], >Sarah >[again], and Elizabeth) as available records permit > * Distinguishes John Carpenter of Swansea (and Rehoboth), >Massachusetts >(1691-c.1754), son of Benjamin4 and Renew (Weeks) Carpenter, from the >above >John Carpenter of Connecticut (the two have been treated as one, their >wives >confused, and their children grouped together) > * Identifies the wives of John Carpenter of Swansea as (1) Sarah >Thurston (1691-c.1721), daughter of John and Hannah (Cary) Thurston, (2) >Sarah >Hillard (1692-1744), daughter of William2 and Deborah (Warren) Hill(i)ard, >and >(3) widow Hannah Martin > * Identifies the children of John Carpenter of Swansea as Hannah >(w/ >1st wf), Barnard, John (b. 4 Jan. 1728/9), and Warren (last three w/ 2nd >wf) >and presents as much basic information about them and their mothers as >available records permit > >"Abiah3 Carpenter of Warwick, Rhode Island, and His Family: With >Additional >Material Concerning William1 Carpenter of Providence, Rhode Island, and >William2 Carpenter of Rehoboth, Massachusetts" > * Extensively corrects and augments what has appeared in the >secondary >literature about Abiah3 Carpenter, son of William2 and Abigail (Briant) >Carpenter of Rehoboth, and his family > * > > >Limits Abiah's children to the three supported by the available >evidence--Oliver, Rebecca, and Joseph (the last perhaps not with wife Mary >Redway)--and >explicitly excludes two others mentioned in the secondary literature >(John, >son of Joseph3 and Margaret [Sutton] Carpenter [see previous article], >and >Solomon, son of Samuel3 and Sarah [Redway] Carpenter) Distinguishes >Abiah's >daughter Rebecca from another Rebecca, misidentified as a Carpenter by >birth, >who married four times (to [1] Ephraim Hunt, [2] David Carpenter, [3] >Samuel >Wilson, and [4] Lt. John Wilson) and died at Rehoboth in 1749, in her 85th >year (the latter woman's maiden name was probably Ward) Addresses the >issue of >whether or not William2 Carpenter of Rehoboth and William1 Carpenter of >Providence were first cousins (as is so often said) Presents >irrefutable >evidence invalidating from Rev. Richard Carpenter (d. 1503) backward the >ancient >English and French ancestry often claimed for (1) William1 Carpenter of >Shalbourne, Wherwell, and the Bevis (c.1576-c.1638), father of William2 >Carpenter >of Rehoboth, and (2) RichardA Carpenter of Amesbury (bur. there 1625?), >father >of William1 Carpenter of Providence Argues that neither the respective >parents nor wives of William1 of Shalbourne, etc., or RichardA of Amesbury >have >been established; presents evidence pointing away from Robert Carpenter of >Marden, Wiltshire, as the putative father of Richard of Amesbury; >introduces >other evidence pointing toward the latter man's antecedents' being of >Newton >Toney (adjacent to Amesbury) Presents extensive evidence that William1 >Carpenter of Providence came to New England as a single man and did not >marry >Elizabeth Arnold until about 1637, probably at Providence; evidence >includes a >court record indicating that their son Joseph2 Carpenter of Warwick, Rhode >Island, and Musketa Cove, Long Island, was born about 1638 (not 1635, when >the >Arnolds left England) Discusses from the perspectives of English common >law >and the statutes of Plymouth Colony and early Bristol County, >Massachusetts, >certain rights and responsibilities acquired by minors of specific ages: >moral >accountability (age 7); "age of discretion" (14); and "legal age" (21 for >both sexes) >Note: Be sure to read the footnotes! _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. 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