Laurie, Thank you for your reply. I research southern lines of germanic origin and would certainly be very pleased to know that Stephen has been positively linked, since he has at times been said to have a germanic connection through Yelverton Carpenter, which has not been borne out by more recent research. It is good to see serious researchers like you bringing a higher standard for proof to Carpenter family history research. I might point out in case the transcript of the Overwharton Parish records you have does not include it, that the same records that show the birth of John's and Mary's son Charles Carpenter on 6 September 1756, go on to show that Charles died 10 October 1756, so there is no connection between this Charles and any living Charles subsequent to that date. Again, thanks for your reply, and best wishes for success in your search. Dave --- L Carpenter <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello David and fellow researchers, > > Please excuse me for not stating that the > Stephen Carpenter who went to NC, > GA, and TN, is assumed to be the son (Stephen) > of John and Mary b. June 24, > 1737. > As most researchers of Stephen Carpenter > (NC>GA>TN) have found, it has been > a tough road in the locating of written > documentation as well as census and > marriage/death records or wills and most of us > have yet to prove his > children. > > What has drawn me to researching John and Mary > of Overwharton Parish, > Stafford Co., Virginia, is the conclusion that > the CARPENTER Y-DNA project > (see Carpenter Southern Cousins Y-DNA project > by Terry Lee Carpenter) has > found there to be an exact match between > Stephen of NC, GA and TN to that > of Benjamin Carpenter of Amherst Co., Virginia. > It is also assumed that > Benjamin of Amherst was the son of John and > Mary as well born Oct. 5, 1746. > > A Couple of other matches with Stephen and > Benjamin is Temple Carpenter (b. > abt. 1769 NC) who is assumed to have been the > son of Thomas Owen Carpenter > (b. abt. 1740) of Moore Co., North Carolina and > Reuben Carpenter b. abt. > 1776. who died in South Carolina. > > As I have planned for a trip to Virginia and > the Carolina's in the Fall. I > am looking to gather more information prior to > my leaving, in hopes to > narrow down searching for documents and saving > sometime. In prior search of > documents, I have found connections, clues as > well as proof in searching > back further. Hoping that something here may > pan out as well. *Keeping > fingers crossed* > > I would like to THANK Terry Carpenter for his > wonderful summary to the > Southern Carpenter lines, as well as John > Carpenter for all his work on the > Carpenter DNA project. I am sure that I am not > the only one who greatly > appreciates all the work the two of you have > done for this group. > > Now just to convince my own brother to > participate in Y-DNA project so he > doesn't feel someone is just trying to clone > him. (ha ha) > > Thank you for your time, > > Sincerely, > Laurie Carpenter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Greenwood" <[email protected]> > To: "L Carpenter" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] John and Mary > CARPENTER of Overwharton Parish, > Stafford Co., Virginia > > > > Hello, > > > > Regarding your statement "Stephen went on to > > North Carolina, Georgia and then to > Tennessee", I > > am very interested in how you proved that > Stephen > > Carpenter is identical to the one born 1737 > in > > Overwharton Parish. Thank you, > > > > David Greenwood > > > > --- L Carpenter <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hello fellow list members, > > > > > > Just wanted to share some information I > came > > > across that I have not seen posted anywhere > in > > > regards to this couple and line. > > > > > > John and Mary Carpenter of Overwharton > Parish, > > > Stafford County, Virginia had the following > > > children listed in the Overwharton Parish > > > Records for 1720-1760. > > > > > > Stephen Carpenter born June 24, 1737 > > > John Carpenter born May 15, 1739 > > > William Carpenter born May 5, 1742 > > > Thomas Carpenter born August 7, 1744 > > > Benjamin Carpenter b. October 5, 1746 > > > Ann (Nanny) Carpenter born October 16, 1748 > > > George Carpenter born March 24, 1753 > > > Charles Carpenter born September 6, 1756 > > > > > > I would like to gather more information on > the > > > above individuals if anyone has something > to > > > share. > > > > > > As most know, Stephen went on to North > > > Carolina, Georgia and then to Tennessee > where > > > he is said to have died. As for the others, > I > > > have just came across this information and > am > > > just beginning to research more. > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your time, > > > > > > Laurie Carpenter > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > Dave > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ===== Dave __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Dear List, I am one of the people who confused everyone about the ancestry of Yelverton Carpenter. When I did my book, Carpenters A Plenty, in the 1980's I corresponded with a number of descendants of Yelverton. All thought he was German. His movement from NC to SC and then to Tennessee seemed to mirror other Carpenters I was tracing. So I suggested that he might be related and showed how he might be related to the Carpenter/Zimmermans I was tracing. I really put a "?" next to his name and his lineage number in my book. I never made the conclusion that he was related to our family and that I had proven his relationship. I printed what I had in hopes that someone could prove or disprove it. I am very happy now that the DNA project has disproven that he was a Zimmerman. I have had great difficulty in locating primary source documentation of Stephen Carpenter. I found Reuben and Fielding and Yelverton. I have had lots of trouble locating anything on Stephen. I suspected after printing Carpenters A Plenty that Stephen may have birthed a number of these mountain NC, Tennessee, and Kentucky Carpenters. But without finding a will, estate papers, or almost anything on Stephen making the case was really hard. I also suspected, now incorrectly, that Stephen and his sons were somehow related to the Mathias Zimmerman of Stokes, then Yancey County, NC. Mathias was not a Moravian and I still wonder if he is related to my Zimmerman family. Maybe the DNA project will solve that one too. For the record my book and my research involved the Zimmermans who arrived on the ship Pink Plaisance in 1732, who lived until the 1750's in Lancaster County, Pa, who moved in the middle 1750's to Lincoln County, NC, and whose descendants spread throughout NC and the west. All the family changed their name to Carpenter. I am very pleased that the ancestry of Yelverton, Fielding, Reuben, and others is now secure. I am glad that this information was shared on this list. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Greenwood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] John and Mary CARPENTER of Overwharton Parish, Stafford Co., Virginia > Laurie, > > Thank you for your reply. I research southern > lines of germanic origin and would certainly be > very pleased to know that Stephen has been > positively linked, since he has at times been > said to have a germanic connection through > Yelverton Carpenter, which has not been borne out > by more recent research. It is good to see > serious researchers like you bringing a higher > standard for proof to Carpenter family history > research. > > I might point out in case the transcript of the > Overwharton Parish records you have does not > include it, that the same records that show the > birth of John's and Mary's son Charles Carpenter > on 6 September 1756, go on to show that Charles > died 10 October 1756, so there is no connection > between this Charles and any living Charles > subsequent to that date. > > Again, thanks for your reply, and best wishes for > success in your search. > > Dave > > > --- L Carpenter <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hello David and fellow researchers, > > > > Please excuse me for not stating that the > > Stephen Carpenter who went to NC, > > GA, and TN, is assumed to be the son (Stephen) > > of John and Mary b. June 24, > > 1737. > > As most researchers of Stephen Carpenter > > (NC>GA>TN) have found, it has been > > a tough road in the locating of written > > documentation as well as census and > > marriage/death records or wills and most of us > > have yet to prove his > > children. > > > > What has drawn me to researching John and Mary > > of Overwharton Parish, > > Stafford Co., Virginia, is the conclusion that > > the CARPENTER Y-DNA project > > (see Carpenter Southern Cousins Y-DNA project > > by Terry Lee Carpenter) has > > found there to be an exact match between > > Stephen of NC, GA and TN to that > > of Benjamin Carpenter of Amherst Co., Virginia. > > It is also assumed that > > Benjamin of Amherst was the son of John and > > Mary as well born Oct. 5, 1746. > > > > A Couple of other matches with Stephen and > > Benjamin is Temple Carpenter (b. > > abt. 1769 NC) who is assumed to have been the > > son of Thomas Owen Carpenter > > (b. abt. 1740) of Moore Co., North Carolina and > > Reuben Carpenter b. abt. > > 1776. who died in South Carolina. > > > > As I have planned for a trip to Virginia and > > the Carolina's in the Fall. I > > am looking to gather more information prior to > > my leaving, in hopes to > > narrow down searching for documents and saving > > sometime. In prior search of > > documents, I have found connections, clues as > > well as proof in searching > > back further. Hoping that something here may > > pan out as well. *Keeping > > fingers crossed* > > > > I would like to THANK Terry Carpenter for his > > wonderful summary to the > > Southern Carpenter lines, as well as John > > Carpenter for all his work on the > > Carpenter DNA project. I am sure that I am not > > the only one who greatly > > appreciates all the work the two of you have > > done for this group. > > > > Now just to convince my own brother to > > participate in Y-DNA project so he > > doesn't feel someone is just trying to clone > > him. (ha ha) > > > > Thank you for your time, > > > > Sincerely, > > Laurie Carpenter > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Greenwood" <[email protected]> > > To: "L Carpenter" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 9:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] John and Mary > > CARPENTER of Overwharton Parish, > > Stafford Co., Virginia > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Regarding your statement "Stephen went on to > > > North Carolina, Georgia and then to > > Tennessee", I > > > am very interested in how you proved that > > Stephen > > > Carpenter is identical to the one born 1737 > > in > > > Overwharton Parish. Thank you, > > > > > > David Greenwood > > > > > > --- L Carpenter <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello fellow list members, > > > > > > > > Just wanted to share some information I > > came > > > > across that I have not seen posted anywhere > > in > > > > regards to this couple and line. > > > > > > > > John and Mary Carpenter of Overwharton > > Parish, > > > > Stafford County, Virginia had the following > > > > children listed in the Overwharton Parish > > > > Records for 1720-1760. > > > > > > > > Stephen Carpenter born June 24, 1737 > > > > John Carpenter born May 15, 1739 > > > > William Carpenter born May 5, 1742 > > > > Thomas Carpenter born August 7, 1744 > > > > Benjamin Carpenter b. October 5, 1746 > > > > Ann (Nanny) Carpenter born October 16, 1748 > > > > George Carpenter born March 24, 1753 > > > > Charles Carpenter born September 6, 1756 > > > > > > > > I would like to gather more information on > > the > > > > above individuals if anyone has something > > to > > > > share. > > > > > > > > As most know, Stephen went on to North > > > > Carolina, Georgia and then to Tennessee > > where > > > > he is said to have died. As for the others, > > I > > > > have just came across this information and > > am > > > > just beginning to research more. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your time, > > > > > > > > Laurie Carpenter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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