CARPENTERS of ENGLAND to AMERICA Listers, Gene was kind enough to help me understand the flaws in the English line of Carpenters that I always took for granted. This REALLY HELPED ME and he has given permission to post it to the list as I thought it may help others too. Below is an outline I made after reading the "Colonial Carpenters" edited by G.N. MacKenzie with added notes by Gene which start with #9 William. Thanks, Gene, for your permission to post this ! >CARPENTERS of ENGLAND TO AMERICA 1 COLONIAL CARPENTERS AS REPORT BY GEORGE N. MACKENZIE ...... 2 John CARPENTER b: Abt. 1303 in ENG Member of Parliament in 1323 age 20 .............. 3 Richard CARPENTER b: Abt. 1335 in ENG buried St Martin Outwitch Church .................... +CHRISTEA ...................... 4 John CARPENTER, Sr. b: Bet. 1350 - 1410 in * ............................... 5 John CARPENTER, Jr. b: Bet. 1400 - 1425 in * ....................................... 6 William CARPENTER b: Abt. 1440 d: 1520 ............................................. 7 James CARPENTER b: Bet. 1455 - 1515 .................................................... 8 John CARPENTER b: Bet. 1470 - 1530 ................................................................ 9 William CARPENTER b: Bet. 1510 - 1545 in * [The lineage given by MacKenzie down to this point is a repetition of that presented by Amos B. Carpenter (1898), who gives as this William's supposed sons (your nos. 10, below) only James and William (purported father of William b. ca. 1576). Both versions suffer from the absolute absence of evidence connecting this lineage to the immigrant Carpenters; most of the intergenerational links claimed above are similarly devoid of genealogical proof. More recently (1971), Raymond G. Carpenter and Harry Rogers revised this lineage, after William (your no. 6, above), as follows: Rev. Richard (said to be the brother of James [your no. 7, above]); Robert of Upton Scudamore, Wiltshire; William of Marden, Wiltshire; Robert of Marden, who they claim is the father of Richard of Amesbury and of William (born ca. 1576), father of Wm. of Rehoboth (The Carpenter Family News-Journal 1, no. 3[1971]: n. pag. [microfiche 3 of 18, FHL set no. 6,047,153; repr. in The Second Boat 1 no. 1(1980):15]). This is the version that appears on John R. Carpenter's CD, Carpenters' Encyclopedia of Carpenters, 2001. The only intergenerational connection for which there is supporting evidence, however, is that between the two Marden men. It turns out, moreover, that the lineage going back from Rev. Richard is positively nullified by the fact that the Robert named in his will is identified as his servant, not his son. Whatever the version, to say it doesn't make it so!] ....................... 10 James CARPENTER b: Bet. 1550 - 1559 in ENG inherited dad's estate ....................... 10 Alexander CARPENTER b: Abt. 1560 in ENG > Dissenter possibly went to Leyden, stopped at Yarmouth? [Alexander was of Wrington, Somersetshire; he has no known connection to the Rehoboth or Providence Carpenters, both of whose families came from Wiltshire. A connection has been fabricated, without supporting evidence of any kind, no doubt by someone eager to benefit from the fact that Alexander's daughter Alice was William Bradford's second wife.] ....................... 10 Richard CARPENTER b: Abt. 1565 in ENG "Possiblly to Amesbury" (to escape persecution [no basis for this]) Richard of Amesbury, Wiltshire, seems to have come from the neighboring parish of Newton Tony; his parentage--let alone earlier ancestry--is unknown (Zubrinsky, "Abiah3 Carpenter of Warwick, Rhode Island, and His Family," The New England Historical and Genealogical Register [hereafter Register] 159[2005]:55-68, at 67, note 63). In fact all that is truly known about him appears in the 1671 deed by which William1 of Providence gives sister Frideswide the Amesbury property he inherited from from his father, whom the deed names as Richard (perhaps the Richard Carpenter buried at Amesbury on 21 Sept. 1625). (The deed, incidentally, calls William's sister Fridgswett [once] and Fridgsweete [thrice], never Fridgswith, as is so often said.) The claim that William1 of Providence and William2 of Rehoboth were first cousins--which, if true, would make brothers of this Richard and the William born ca. 1676-- is based on a debatable interpretation of certain wording in the will of William2 of Rehoboth (Register 159:64-66 [appendix 1]). It remains to be proved that the two were closely related. Again, no matter how often it is repeated, to say it doesn't make it so!] ..................................... 11 William CARPENTER b: in ENG > to America 1636 (, lived in PROVIDENCE w Roger Wms. [It is widely accepted that William1 of Providence came in mid 1635 with his wife, Elizabeth Arnold, father-in-law William Arnold, and the latter man's family. Although the Arnolds arrived in Massachusetts in 1635, there are several reasons to believe that William Carpenter did not come with them (Register 159:67-68 [appendix 2]). It's highly likely that William1 Carpenter of Providence arrived in 1636 or 1637 and married Elizabeth Arnold at Providence in the latter year (ibid.).] ....................... 10 William CARPENTER b: Abt. 1576 in ENG London>(dissenter) Wherewell>America on Bevis 1638>Wherewell [(the second e is inappropriate; the correct spelling is "Wherwell") He, his son, and the latter man's family had come from Shalbourne, Wiltshire, and were only briefly at Wherwell, Hampshire, which is on the way from Shalbourne to Northampton, their point of embarkation. This man's ancestry, beginning with his parents, is unknown. For the most complete, accurate, and current scholarship on the early Rehoboth Carpenters and their English origin, see Zubrinsky, "The Family of William2 Carpenter of Rehoboth, Massachusetts," The American Genealogist (hereafter TAG) 70(1995):193-204. For more on Joseph3 and Margaret (Sutton) Carpenter, see Zubrinsky, "Three John Carpenters: A Chain of Mistaken Identities," Register 159:43-53, at 44-45, incl. note 13. For more on Abiah3 Carpenter and his family, see the previously cited Register article (159:55-68) in its entirety. Corrections and additions to the two Register articles will appear in the October 2005 issue.] ..................................... 11 William CARPENTER, Jr. b: Abt. 1605 in ENG, Wherewell> America 1638 on Bevis w/wife & "FOUR KIDS" d: in RI [(don't confuse with William1 of Providence; this man [William2 of Rehoboth] died at Rehoboth, on 7 February 1658[/9?]) , REHOBOTH progenitor See TAG article for more data.] .................................... +ABIGAYLE b: Abt. 1605 [She was Abigail Briant, baptized at Shalbourne 27 May 1604, daughter of John and Alice (_____) Briant; she married William Carpenter at Shalbourne 28 April 1625 (TAG article).] ....................................................... 12 John CARPENTER b: Abt. 1628 in ENG >America 1638 on Bevis with parents d: Abt. 1695 in NY, Hempstead, Long Island [He was baptized at Shalbourne, 8 October 1626 (TAG article), and died at Jamaica, Long Island, N.Y., 10 or 11 November 1694 (Herbert F. Seversmith, Colonial Families of Long Island, New York and Connecticut, 5 vols. [Washington, D.C., 1939-1958], 2:545, citing Jamaica, N.Y., Wills, A:98). If your descent is through this man, you should definitely check Seversmith, vol. 2, pp. 544-551, 1012 (FHL film 525304). But be careful: beginning with William and Abigail Carpenter (p. 551) he mostly repeats Amos B. Carpenter, with all the associated errors.] ....................................................... +Hannah HOPE b: Abt. 1628 [She was almost certainly Hannah Smith, daughter of William Smith of Weymouth and Rehoboth, Mass., and Huntington and Jamaica (L.I.), N.Y. (Seversmith, 2:544, 549-51, 1012).] ...................................................................... 13 William CARPENTER b: Abt. 1662 in NY, Long Is.>Dutchess Co. NY d: Aft. 1781 in NY, Dutchess Co. [Seversmith (2:548) gives his birth year as "about 1668" and date of death, at Hempstead (L.I.), N.Y., as 21 February 1749; res. Jamaica in 1707 (had inherited father's homestead there).] ......................................................................... +ELIZABETH b: Aft. 1684 ["She would have to be born "AFTER" 1684 if Daniel is born 1734] [Seversmith (2:548) gives no date of birth for Elizabeth or Daniel but says that the latter bought a farm in Dutchess Co., N.Y., in 1753. This, of course, implies a birth year for him no later than 1732--probably much earlier, if his father was born in the 1660s.] .............................................................................................. 14 Daniel CARPENTER b: Abt. 1734 in NY, Hempstead, Long Island >AM REV*VET d: June 13, 1814 in NY, Dutchess Co. [Sorry, can't help (except for previous paragraph).] ............................................................................................... +Esther THORNE b: Abt. 1734 d: 1809 [Can't help.] ............................................................................................................ 15 Henry CARPENTER b: in NY, Dutchess Co.? [Can't help.] .......................................................................................................................... 16 George Washington CARPENTER [Can't help.] ............................................ 12 Child of Wm "Rehoboth" CARPENTER b: Bet. 1620 - 1638 [See TAG article for all known children of William2 of Rehoboth, with a corrected birth order.] ............................................ 12 Child of Wm "Rehoboth" CARPENTER b: Bet. 1620 - 1638 [See TAG article for all known children of William2 of Rehoboth, with a corrected birth order.] ............................................. 12 Child of Wm "Rehoboth" CARPENTER b: Bet. 1620 - 1638 [See TAG article for all known children of William2 of Rehoboth, with a corrected birth order.] End. If plain text made this difficult to read, email for me a copy. Donna Carpenter Cuzze