Gene, thank you for your time and effort to help get this straightened out. Its hard when time-honored ideas prove to be incorrect, isn't it? People don't like anyone to upset the apple cart. I am facing that with the Haviland family. If I can't get it straightened out, I won't be able to find where my family fits in. thanks Marilyn (Heavilin) Current, descended from one of the many Stephen Havilands, but which one?!!!! ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com