Mr. Greenwood is confused. The 1998 Hidden transcriptions of the Wiltshire wills is an entirely different project than the online presentation of the Wiltshire wills images, which is quite recent. This is an important point because Mr. Hidden's transcriptions are his alone and grew out of an interest in his own family history. They should be treated with caution, although his efforts were unbelievable. In addition not all the Carpenter references from the collection are represented in the Hidden transcriptions which is another point to keep in mind. In short the online images will be an ongoing opportunity for English Carpenter study. Bruce, Clinton, WA

Mr. Carpenter is confused. The Wiltshire wills have been available long enough for Mr. Hidden to transcribe them and put them on his page by 1998, and the images have been online since at least 2004. An ongoing opportunity, dating back quite some time. Treating with caution is indeed good advice whenever dealing with someone whose research may be biased by an arrogant disregard for facts. David Washington, DC --- "Bruce E. Carpenter" <carp@tezukayama-u.ac.jp> wrote: > Mr. Greenwood is confused. The 1998 Hidden > transcriptions of the Wiltshire > wills is an entirely different project than the > online presentation of the > Wiltshire wills images, which is quite recent. > This is an important point > because Mr. Hidden's transcriptions are his > alone and grew out of an > interest in his own family history. They should > be treated with caution, > although his efforts were unbelievable. In > addition not all the Carpenter > references from the collection are represented > in the Hidden > transcriptions which is another point to keep > in mind. In short the online > images will be an ongoing opportunity for > English Carpenter study. > > > Bruce, > Clinton, WA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433

Hello, You are both right. Many English "shire" genealogical or historical groups have provided will information for decades. This includes the work by Mr. Hidden. More and more data is being collated from different sources and placed on line weekly. There are several different web pages that have wills and other documents in England. This includes, "... Wiltshire Wills goes live - December 2006." Please remember that when sharing Carpenter data and sources that some websites require passwords and payment. Please cite that when sharing. Most people can not afford to pay for all that which is out there. When sharing restricted sites or data from semi or private sources, cite (copy & paste or write) the critical portion. This is like providing a written review. Reviews, critques and such are allowable under the "Fair Use" portion of Copyright Law. Do not forget to tell the reader where the data came from. For example the following is cited as if under the Fair Use clause: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 "§ 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use 38 Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include - (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; (2) the nature of the copyrighted work; (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors." I hope this helps. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Greenwood" <daveyg33@yahoo.com> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] re. Carpenter > Mr. Carpenter is confused. The Wiltshire wills > have been available long enough for Mr. Hidden to > transcribe them and put them on his page by 1998, > and the images have been online since at least > 2004. An ongoing opportunity, dating back quite > some time. Treating with caution is indeed good > advice whenever dealing with someone whose > research may be biased by an arrogant disregard > for facts. > > David > Washington, DC

Thats good info to know John ,Thank you. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R Carpenter (JRC)" <jrcrin001@cox.net> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] re. Carpenter - You are both right Hello, You are both right. Many English "shire" genealogical or historical groups have provided will information for decades. This includes the work by Mr. Hidden. More and more data is being collated from different sources and placed on line weekly. There are several different web pages that have wills and other documents in England. This includes, "... Wiltshire Wills goes live - December 2006." Please remember that when sharing Carpenter data and sources that some websites require passwords and payment. Please cite that when sharing. Most people can not afford to pay for all that which is out there. When sharing restricted sites or data from semi or private sources, cite (copy & paste or write) the critical portion. This is like providing a written review. Reviews, critques and such are allowable under the "Fair Use" portion of Copyright Law. Do not forget to tell the reader where the data came from. For example the following is cited as if under the Fair Use clause: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 "§ 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use 38 Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include - (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; (2) the nature of the copyrighted work; (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors." I hope this helps. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Greenwood" <daveyg33@yahoo.com> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] re. Carpenter > Mr. Carpenter is confused. The Wiltshire wills > have been available long enough for Mr. Hidden to > transcribe them and put them on his page by 1998, > and the images have been online since at least > 2004. An ongoing opportunity, dating back quite > some time. Treating with caution is indeed good > advice whenever dealing with someone whose > research may be biased by an arrogant disregard > for facts. > > David > Washington, DC ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message