Thanks, John. I always assumed they were hiding him because he was Jewish, and that may still be as all references to him are obliterated. However I recently heard that his family disowned him for marrying outside his faith. I guess we will never know the whole story. I have been thinking about the Carpenter book, and how to approach it. I could just rewrite the 1912 book with current research and citations but keeping the same numbering, or I could start from scratch. I had a question on the Samuel line I am preparing in accordance with the sample you sent me. How is that numbered? I.e. where do the sketches about the children come in and how are they numbered? I didn't figure that out in my brief perusal of the document after you sent it to me. No time to look since then. Work is far too hectic; I don't even have time for Christmas. Barbara Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: John R. Carpenter <jrcrin001@cox.net> To: carpenter@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 2:19:50 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Zimmerman to Carpenter in America Barbara, Not only is it not far fetched but perfectly reasonable with a good economic reason. If one speaks proper French and has a French name, then one is French. If one speaks French but has a German name then distrust is proper. If one speaks French, and is born is France, but does not look French, one must be a foreigner until one looks French. If one does not speak proper French, then one is a foreigner. Foreigners are also to be distrusted. They may be German spies or after the mid 1950s, uncouth Americans. Just ask (figuatively) Mata Hari who spoke French but pretended to be a foreigner and "hung" around with some alleged German spies during WWI. Never forget the animosity that persisted between France and Germany from about 1878 to about the mid 1950s. Why not 1945? The French occupied a small part of Germany for over ten years after WWII. It was only then when the French decided that the Germans were defeated enough that they felt safe with the British occupying the North of Germany and the Americans in the South. Shortly after they pulled out of NATO ... but that is another story! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <carpenter@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Zimmerman to Carpenter in America So its not far-fetched that my husband's grandmother after her German husband died in the flu epidemics would have changed her name back to her maiden French name (de Mare) to teach French in the schools? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARPENTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message