Hi Bruce ! >Does anyone have information on children >of Baldwin III of Flanders, in particular >Raoul de Gouy. Baldwin III, co-count of Flanders [with his father, whom he predeceased.], b.ca 940, d.962; m.961 Matilda (d.1008) dau.of Duke Hermann Billung of Saxony. His father was Ct Arnulf I "the Great" of Flanders, b.885/90, d.964; m.1st NN; m.2d 934 Adele (d.960) dau.of Cte Heribert de Vermandois; all kids were by the 2d marriage. Baldwin III and Matilda Billung had the following kids: 1.Arnulf II the Young, Ct of Flanders and Boulogne, b.961/2, d.987, bur Ghent; m.ca 968 Rozela=Suzanna of Ivrea (d.1003). He was the ancestor of Counts of Flanders & Hainaut, also probably (via his grandson Eudes, Count de Cambrai) the ancestor of Counts de Saint-Pol and Counts de Brienne. 2.Jean de Conteville (John de Bourg), Earl of Comyn, Baron of Toursbourg, b.ca.964/969. He was the ancestor of the family de Burgo/de Burgh (Viscounts de Conteville, Counts de Mortain, Earls of Cornwall, Barons/Earls of Connaught, Earls of Ulster, Lords of Warkworth). 3.Bertha of Flanders, b.ca.1008. I think that Raoul de Gouy was not a son of Baldwin III. The family de Gouy had another ancestry - from Hucbald, Count de Ostervant. They were Counts de Ostervant, Amiens, Vexin, Seigneurs de Crepy and Valois. Ostervant passed from this family (by marriage of Adela de Vexin [dau.of Raoul III "the_Great", of Valois de Crepi, Vitry, Amiens and Vexin] and Herbert IV, Count de Vermandois) to the family de Vermandois, later (also by marriage with Eleonore de Vermandois) to Geoffroy (1147-1163), grandson of Baldwin III [Count of Flanders]. Another possible connection between 'de Flanders' and 'de Gouy' is via Cambrai. One of branches of 'de Flanders' was the family of Counts de Cambrai. Raoul I (d.944), Count de Valois & d'Amiens, son of Hucbald de Osrevant [ancestor of 'de Gouy'] had nickname 'de Cambrai'. His son Raoul (Ralph) de Gouy, fl.ca.926/933, Count of Ostervant, Valois and Vexin, was married to Hildegarde of Flanders (b.ca.934-d.990), sister of Baldwin III. Therefore Raoul was the brother-in-law (not son) of Baldwin III. Raoul and Hildegarde were the ancestors of Counts of Ostrevant, Amiens, Valois and Vexin, Viscounts de Tracy(Tracey), Lords of Sudeley(co.Gloucester), Toddington (co.Gloucester), Chilvers Coton(co.Warwick) and Burton Dasset (co.Warwick). regards, aeg ______________________________________________________