Or, Jean le Carpentier, when writing his History of Cambrai, didn't feel he needed to belabor the obvious. When he wrote "Sires de Gouy" or Lords of Gouy, he assumed that his 17th century readers would immediately realize he was talking about descendants of the Counts of Flanders.Just we in the 1990s, in the USA, see these names as remote and exotic. Perhaps Carpentier was only being modest and not saying, "hey, look here folks, we Carpentiers are descendants of the Counts of Flanders"! BC