Bruce wrote: > I didn't understand what John meant by "descent from a cousin > of the grandfather". I had thought the individual > Weis had discussed was a direct descendant of > Charlemagne. I guess Bruce didn't read what he wrote in the original message, which was that Childebrand the ancestor was a "germanus" of Karl Martel. ["germanus" is "cousin"] It was quoted from some edition (unstated) of "Ancestral Roots". The name Charlemagne was not part of the quote at all. If the quote was not reported correctly, this might be a good time to restate it. John Chandler