Thanks to John for taking the time to correct my departure from accuracy. I must have made John cranky because his remarks re. Dr. Weis suggest unjustified irritibility. The fact that the Weis books have undergone serval revisions is only an indication of the difficulty of the subject matter. Several editions is also an indication of continued reader interest. Natually there are old discarded editions. I didn't understand what John meant by "descent from a cousin of the grandfather". I had thought the individual Weis had discussed was a direct descendant of Charlemagne. Bruce Carpenter