This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B990D59E1DB556BB9B92FDBA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is the next part in Tony Carpenter's story of the Carpenter Family. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA USA --------------B990D59E1DB556BB9B92FDBA Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <tony.c.@skynow.net> Received: from h3.mail.home.com ([24.2.2.27]) by lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991104152439.WVII20951.lh2.rdc1.sdca.home.com@h3.mail.home.com> for <jrcrin001@mail.elcjn1.sdca.home.com>; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:24:39 -0800 Received: from mx4-e.mail.home.com (mx4-e.mail.home.com [24.2.2.25]) by h3.mail.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA07292 for <jrcrin001@home.com>; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:24:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.cluster1.telinco.net (smtp1.cluster1.telinco.net [212.1.128.150]) by mx4-e.mail.home.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA25439 for <jrcrin001@home.com>; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:24:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from chippy (ppp-1-13.cvx1.telinco.net [212.1.159.13]) by smtp1.cluster1.telinco.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA32555 for <jrcrin001@home.com>; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:24:34 GMT Message-ID: <000501bf26d8$9fc5e040$0d9f01d4@chippy> From: "Tony Carpenter" <tony.c.@skynow.net> To: "John Carpenter" <jrcrin001@home.com> Subject: The Carpenters Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:23:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Dear John As you can see I am still working away on our history, thought you might be interested to read where I have got to so far. So much history to read to get the story in my mind. What would I have done in this period of time, considering the circumstances that William and the family found themselves in. Preservation of the family was paramount importance as it is today. Only 750 years to go. How are things going with you. our clocks whent back last week so we have wintter over here wet and warm at the moment. Take good care of yourselves Tony and Gill. ******************************************** WILLIAM5 CARPENTER (WILLIAM "THE CARPENTER" DE4 MELUN, URSION I DE3, HERVE DE2, JOSSELIN I DE1) was born in of Melun, Seine-et-Marne, Ile De France, France, and died in Ypres, West Vlaanderen, Flanders, France. Children of WILLIAM CARPENTER are: i. WILLIAM6 CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1090, of Melun, Seine-et-Marne, Ile De France, France; d. Abt. 1162, near, Coventry, Warwickshire, England. ii. GODWIN CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1100, of Melun, Seine-et-Marne, Ile De France, France. Godwin was christened in Suffolk, East Anglia. The first mention of Godwin in Suffolk is a record dated 1121 and also in 1114, this later date is believed to be in his own hand. It has been put forward by others that he may have been nominated, or promised, the Earldom of Suffolk. But Hugh Bigod was Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk in 1140, and the first Earl of Suffolk was created about 1340, so there seems to be no foundation for this theory. The country was in an unstable situation at this time, King William II had died in 1100 in a hunting accident in the New Forest. Henry I had seized the treasury at Winchester the next day and later was crowned King in Westminster Abbey. Henry I (b. 1068), known as Beauclerc or the Scholar, was the youngest Son of William the Conqueror. He was a Skilled administrator and a believer in legal reform Although he had many mistresses and numerous illegitimate children, he kept on good terms with his wife Matilda, a daughter of Malcolm III of Scotland, throughout the eighteen years of their marriage. Well educated and calm, he could be cruel and ruthless, but the reforms he sought to introduce to England were diluted by an ongoing conflict with his brother. In 1101 Duke Robert of Normandy landed at Portsmouth claiming the Crown, after negotiation at Alton he agreed to give up his claim to the English throne for a pension of £2000 a year. Not a bad pension in those days, in fact one could safely say that it was a fortune. At the battle of Tinchebria: in 1106, Henry I captured his brother Robert and gained Normandy. He then sent Robert to Cardiff Castle as a prisoner, where he stayed for the rest of his life - no brotherly love there. Robert was doomed to spend the last twenty eight years of his life in prison. Henry I gave orders for the tomb of Edward the Confessor to be opened, some years after his death, the body showed no signs of decay. Abbot Crispin was in serious trouble with Bishop Grundulf of Rochester for trying to pull tufts of hair from the dead King's Edwards white beard to sell as relics. Relics, or souvenirs, were of great value then, as today, when you consider that a dress belonging to Marilyn Munroe was sold in 1999 year for £800.000, what comparable price could have been asked for a tuft of a King's Beard?. Henry I has an important place in English history. In 1110 the Pipe Rolls, official accounts and records of sheriffs and other officials, were introduced, these continued until 1834. In 1123 St Bartholomew's Hospital was founded in London. The only legitimate son of Henry I, William, was drowned in 1120 when the White Ship, the vessel on which he was travelling to England from Normandy was wrecked, the crew were allegedly drunk on wine he had supplied to them. Without a legitimate male heir to the throne, Henry persuaded the barons to accept his daughter Matilda as heir to the throne. Before Henry died of food poisoning near Rouen in France in 1135, Matilda (the widow of emperor Henry V) had married Geoffrey, count of Anjou. (1113-5 1). We know that William the Carpenter was supporting the King at this Period. Three of his sons had been given lands in three different counties in England, as previously mentioned. Was this a deliberate move on William's part in order to protect his family? I believe it was his form of protectionism, as all his sons survived. We note that Godwin was christened in Norfolk, had he been put into the care of Roger Bigod or Richard of Clare, two of the Norman Knights that William had fought beside, both had lands in Norfolk, which would indicate that this was the case. GODWIN6 CARPENTER (WILLIAM5, WILLIAM THE4, URSION I3 DE MELUN, HERVE2 MELUN, JOSSELINI1 DE MELUN) was born Abt. 1100 in Melun Seine-et-Marne France. Child of GODWIN CARPENTER is: 7. i. RALPH7 CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1135, Yorkshire England. We can see that Ralph was born in Yorkshire, references to him are found in the Pipe Rolls of 1175. His cousin Robert Carpenter, Bishop of Hereford was consecrated on December 22 1163. d. 27 February 1167. this is the first recorded member of the family who entered the church. Godwin had lost his lands to Henry II because of his support of King Stephen. Later when he had proved his loyalty to the King, Godwin regained lands in Norfolk. to be continued 7. RALPH7 CARPENTER (GODWIN6, WILLIAM5, WILLIAM THE4, URSION I3 DE MELUN, HERVE2 MELUN, JOSSELINI1 DE MELUN) was born Abt. 1135 in Yorkshire England. Child of RALPH CARPENTER is: 8. i. AILRIC8 CARPENTER, b. Abt. 1166, Norfolk England. --------------B990D59E1DB556BB9B92FDBA--