Common error in address. jrcrin001@home.com (jrc rin 001) John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Robin Carpenter wrote: > > >Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:13:24 > >To: jcrin001@home.com <<<----JOHN: this address failed! > >From: Robin Carpenter <ANALYTIX@valley.net> > >Subject: JC's 1732 Will > >Cc: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Hi John: > > Thanks for the info responding to my posting re John's 1738 Will. Not > surprisingly, your additional info prompts me to several further comments > and questions. These are all matters of detail, and describing it all may > seem tedious...but I'm hoping that with specificity it'll be "easier" to > follow the earlier mentions etc. Here goes: > > 1. Interesting that your birth dates table shown under "Family > #518" pretty nearly follows my interpretation (from the will) of birth > sequence of John #24's children. The only major exception is my > interpretation would put Solomon up at #2 position. I note that you have > Solomon's birth range "1690/1712." I have seen assertions of this Solomon > as one of the earliest settlers of Goshen; in such case he would be an adult > by 1714, or 1720 at the latest. Wouldn't this make Solomon's latest > plausible birth year would be 1693, or maybe 1699. Of course, this revised > boundary could still have him halfway down the sequence of John's kids--just > as your table has it. > > 2. Who is the "John" shown in your table as a son of our subject John? > > ("3. John CARPENTER 3rd-12755 Abt 1685/1687") This all new > to me, and clearly not mentioned in the Will. One thing that is not at all > ambiguous in the Will is that there are exactly 9 offspring. > > 3. Re that same table overall, where do the birth dates come from? > (Is all this table from the "New England Marriages Prior to 1700" that is > cited in the short paragraph just above the table, or "Colonial Families," > or some other source?) > > 4. Regarding that same paragraph(*), can you interpret the info > for me? (*)--"PER NEW ENGLAND MARRIAGES PRIOR TO 1700; JOHN (1658ABT-1732) > & MARY RHODES?, DAU JOHN; 9 FEB 1680; JAMAICA, LI/WEYMOUTH/ATTLEBORO. SEE: > Colonial Families of Long Island by Seversmith." I get the part of John's b > and d dates, and I get that someone (who?) believes but is unsure wife Mary > was a Rhodes. But I don't understand what is "DAU JOHN." Also, does the > reference to "Colonial Families..." mean that the author of "New England > Marriages..." refers to "Colonial Families..." or is Colonial Familes a side > note added in your synopsis? > > 5. The summary paragraph describing the 1732 Will should include > mention of Joseph. He is cited in the Will three times. > > 6. Of course you are right in that it is "still in question" as to > which of John's wives was mother to which of the offspring. Still in > question today, and probably to will remain in question forever. So my > interpretation of maternity from the Will is necessarily subjective and > (most assuredly) unauthoritative. > > But just to be a gadfly about my interpretation, I note that the > birthdates given in your table of "Family #518" have daughter Mary (b. "Abt > 1692") the first of the girls and before Nehemiah. Given that John's 2nd > wife was named Mary, this small item would seem at least a tiny hint that > dau Mary was a child of mother Mary. And if so, then all the other girls, > too. And tying back to my earlier interpretation of the Will, note that > there are three separate citations of "Joseph Increase & Nehemiah." All > three citations are (a) exactly in that order, (b) inheriting shares equal > to each other, (c) twice cited in same breath with the sisters, and (d) > never mentioned together with or sharing items regarding John and Solomon. > To me, that's a scenario of high (albeit unproven) liklihood that these 6 > children were born to Mary, with John and Solomon born to Abigail. (Are you > persuaded of the liklihood, or no?) > > 7. Finally, I am surprised to learn of a known and published > marriage between John Carpenter and Mary Rhodes, Feb 9, 1680. "Surprised" > only because I would have expected a known and published marriage to have > appeared in works of ABC, RGC, and whoever authored "Ancestors & Descendants > of Col Solomon Carpenter." (Who did author that?). Well, I've been > surprised by facts before, and I'll be surprised again. But what's the > source of this John/Mary marriage info? > > Sorry to go on at such length. Look forward to hearing back. > > Robin C. > >