This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------515D7B25460CFC44F377B481 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Mary, I'm sorry but your weak link is still not positive. The attached file is what I have on the subject. Maybe, I have something you don't have or have overlooked. Best of luck! I hope you prove a link one way or the other. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Mary Carpenter wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am not having any luck finding a "positive" link a few generations > back in my CARPENTER line. If our "best fit" link (Amasa CARPENTER) is > correct, then my line goes back to Wm. of Rehoboth. But in all the > searches I see on this list serve, I never see the names that connect > in the last few generations to my line. If anyone can help, please let > me know. Here's my line, from Me (Mary), going BACK through the male > side to my "problem" link: > > Mary C. CARPENTER, b. 2-5-1960 in WI; single, presently living in > Flagstaff, AZ. > > Clarence Frank CARPENTER, b. 9-20-1922 in Longwood Twp., Clark Co., WI; > d. 5-20-1995 in Marshfield, Wood Co., WI; buried Abbotsford, Clark Co., > WI; m. Doris Marie GENRICH on 8-18-1954 in Dorchester, Clark Co., WI. > > Frank Isaac CARPENTER, b. 2-20-1882 in Chesaning, MI; d. 3-29-1945 in > Sparta, WI; m. Catherine POMMERICH on 2-3-1909 in Fond du Lac, WI. > Children: > Evelyn Carpenter Young > Ione Carpenter Vandehey > Cathryn Carpenter Brunkhorst > Frank Herman Carpenter > Marie Carpenter Kramer > Clarence Frank Carpenter (my dad) > > CASS Carpenter, b. 11-26-1851 in MI; d. 5-3-1925 in an Infirmary, > Calhoun Co., MI; m(1). Czarina (Czarena) A. BUCKLAND on 6-30-1877 in > Chesaning, MI. > Children: > *John Carpenter, b. 8-1880 in St. Charles Twp., Saginaw Co., MI; d. > 10-9-1940 in Pacific B1 (or Smithers), British Columbia, Canada; m. > unknown (I have pictures of her visiting my grandfather after John's > death, but no one can remember her name!). They had a son who may have > been in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, or some other Canadian law > enforcement. *I am very interested in finding descendants of John! > Frank Isaac Carpenter (MY GRANDFATHER, see above). > Veva Dulcenia Carpenter DeMott > Eva J. Carpenter Homer (twin sister of Veva) > Cass married (2) Minnie C. FROST on 3-31-1898 in Merrill, MI. They had > a son, Walter Cass CARPENTER, b. 1901; d. 10-3-1926. > > Alonzo (Elanson) CARPENTERr, b. 1812 in Corinth Twp. Saratoga, NY; d. > Unknown; m. Julia FORBES in 1850. (Julia was born 6-13-1826 in NY; d. > 8-1-1899 in St. Charles, MI). I am also looking for more on the FORBES > side. > Children: > Sarah, b. 1850 in MI; d. unknown > Cass (my g.grandfather, see above) > Emma, b. 1855; d. unknown > Frank, b. 6-24-1857 in St. Charles, MI; d. 4-27-1926 in Battle > Creek, MI. > > > HERE IS MY WEAK LINK: > AMASA CARPENTER, b. 3-27-1783 in Thompson, Windham, CT; d. aft. 1850 in > Sandy Creek, Oswego Co., NY; m. Lucy STONE, unknown when/where. Lucy > was born abt. 1783 in CT; d. unknown. > > AMASA is Number 3751 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 415. He married > twice. Had 10 children and settled in Sandy Creek, NY. He is listed in > the 1850 census for Oswego Co., NY. > > The researcher would did much searching for my cousin in MI, could not > find names of Amasa and Lucy's children. She states in a letter that of > the many Carpenter lines in Oswego Co., NY (she ruled out Saratoga Co. > lines), there is one line she cannot rule out nor find proof that it is > the right line. This is AMASA CARPENTER. > > He occurs in the Oswego Co., NY census from 1820 through 1850, at which > time he is listed age 67 with wife Eunice age 62 and an Orlando Smith > age 12. There is a male in the household that would be the right age to > be Alonzo through 1840. Perhaps this Amasa is a different one than is > listed in the Memorial??? > > Amasa was the son of Samuel CARPENTER and Dolly ALTON, the last of a > line of 5 Samuel's if I'm counting correctly. > Samuel Carpenter, b. 5-24-1757 in Pomfret, Windham, CT; d. 1-7-1798 > in Thompson, Windham, CT; > m(1). Dolly ALTON on 4-27-1780 in Windham, CT. Dolly b. abt. 1760 in > Windham, CT; d. 30901785 in Thompson, Windham, CT. > m(2). Sybil ALTON > > Children of Samuel and (1)DOLLY: > Amasa; b. 12-29-1781 in Thompson, Windham, CT; d. 4-19-1782 in same > place. > *Amasa (MY problem LINE); b. 3-27-1783 in Thompson, Windham, Ct; d. > aft. 1850 in Sandy Creek, Oswego, NY; m. Lucy STONE. No mention of his > other marriage. > Samuel Carpenter, b. 3-6-1785 in Thompson, Windham, CT; d. Unknown > > Children of Sam. and (2)SYBIL: > Dolly > Eliot, b. 8-30-1792 in Thompson, Windham, CT; d. aft. 1835 in > Windham, CT. > Asa, b. 8-4-1795 in Thompson, Windham, CT; d. Unknown. > > ....So, I realize this is huge and probably hard to read, but if > ANYTHING rings a bell with anyone, please let me know. I need that link > to Alonzo's (Elanson's) dad! A list of Amasa's children would be a > great help too. I also mentioned wanting to find more "long lost > cousins" in Canada, through my grandfather Frank Isaac's brother John. > > Thanks for everyone's time! > > Mary C. Carpenter > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------515D7B25460CFC44F377B481 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="14581.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="14581.txt" Descendants of Amasa CARPENTER-14581 First Generation 1. Amasa CARPENTER-14581 was born 27 Mar 1783 in Thompson, Windham, CT. He died after 1850 in Sandy Creek, Osewego, NY. !Number 3751 in the Carpenter Memorial on page 415. Married twice. He had ten children and settled in Sandy Creek, NY. He is listed in the 1850 census for Osewego county, NY. Amasa married (1-MRIN:5191) Lucy STONE-14586 about 1802 in CT. Lucy was born about 1783 in CT. They had the following children: + 2 M i. Amasa CARPENTER-22391 was born 1804 and died 14 Jul 1854. + 3 M ii. Alonzo OR Elanson CARPENTER-14776 was born 1812. Amasa also married (2-MRIN:5192) SMITH a Widow-14587, daughter of Samuel STOEL-14588 (MRIN:5193). SMITH a Widow was born about 1783 in CT. Her father was named Samuel Stoel. Second Generation 2. Amasa CARPENTER-22391 was born 1804 in CT. He died 14 Jul 1854 in Cleveland, Cuyahoga, OH. Amasa may be his father. Amasa Carpenter resided at North Woodstock, CT. He moved to Cleveland, OH in 1853. He married first in 1830, Susan Richmond and secondly in 1836 to (name unledgible possibly a sister to Susan). Amasa married (1-MRIN:7192) Susan RICHMOND-22392 on 1830 in CT. Susan was born about 1804 in CT. Amasa also married (2-MRIN:8053) RICHMOND-22393 on 1836 in CT. RICHMOND was born about 1804. They had the following children: 4 M i. Edward Richmond CARPENTER-22394 was born 1838 in CT. He died in Collingwood, Ontario, Canada. He removed to Cleveland, OH with his father in 1853 and later finally settled in Collingwood, Canada. 3. Alonzo OR Elanson CARPENTER-14776 was born 1812 in Corinth Twp, Saratoga, NY. Information on this family supplied by John Wilfred DeMott of Rives Junction, MI. 4/1996. !Koos research: !CENSUS: 1850 US Census, Oswego, Oswego county, NY - Given name of "Alonzo" 1860 US Census, St. Charles Twp., Saginaw county, MI - First name is spelled Elanson. Cass gave his father's name as Alonzo on his marriage record. !IGI: Alonzo Carpenter born about 1812 at Corinth Twp., Saratoga county, NY. Relative of Joseph Hatten Carpenter. !PARENTS: Father may be Amasa # 3751. See page 415 of the Rehoboth Carpenters by Amos B. Carpenter. Both are in the same area in 1850. NAME: aka Elanson. Alonzo married (1-MRIN:5268) Julia FORBES-14777 on 1850. Julia was born 13 Jun 1826 in NY. She died 1 Aug 1899 in St. Charles, MI. They had the following children: 5 F i. Sarah CARPENTER-14778 was born 1850 in Oswego, MI. + 6 M ii. Cass CARPENTER-14772 was born 26 Nov 1851 and died 3 May 1925. 7 F iii. Emma CARPENTER-14779 was born 1855. 8 M iv. Frank CARPENTER-14780 was born 24 Jun 1857 in St. Charles, Saginaw, MI. He died 27 Apr 1926 in Battle Creek, Calhoun, MI. Third Generation 6. Cass CARPENTER-14772 was born 26 Nov 1851 in Oswego, MI. He died 3 May 1925 in Infirmary, Calhoun, MI and was buried 7 May 1925 in Oak Hill Cem., Battle Creek, Calhoun, MI. Information on this family supplied by John Wilfred DeMott of Rives Junction, MI. 4/1996. !CENSUS: 1860 US Census, St. Charles Twp., Saginaw county, MI - Pg 513, 7 June 1850 Age 7 - Living in the household of Elanson Carpenter, mother Julia age 36, Sarah age 10, Frank age 3 and an Emma Carpenter was living in the same area in the household of Benjamin and Catherine Holiday. 1870 US Census, St. Charles Twp, Saginaw county, MI - Pg 461. Julia 40, Emma age 15, Frank age 12, but no record of Cass. 1880 US Census, St. Charles Twp., Saginaw county, MI - Pg 2, ED320, 1 June 1880 Cass is age 28, wife Czarina A. age 28, and son John age 8 months. 1900 US Census, Arcada Twp., Gratiot county, MI - Village of Alma, ED45, Pg 19 Cass born Nov 1855, wife Minnie C., daughter Vevia age 6 and stepdaughter Della Sylvester. MARRIAGE: Marriage Record for Saginaw county 1867-1882 (MI F572.S17 M377 1950): Czarina A. Buckland, 25, St. Charles, born in NY to Cass Carpenter, 25 St. Charles, born in St. Charles, married June 30, 1877 at Chesaning. Minister J.M. McIntosh, Wm P. Dredge, J.P., Witnesses M. M. McIntosh and Hanitt E. Thompson of Chesaning. Certificate of Marriage Record Number 3881. See also LDS Family History Center info for same marriage date and marriage #2 info. Marriage #2 to Minnie C. Frost and Cass Carpenter dated March 31, 1898. !DEATH: Certificae of Death: Cass Carpenter died on 3 May 1925 at the County Farm, Marengo Twp., Calhoun county, MI - cause of death, carcinoma of the bladder - usual place of abode, 82 1/2 Division St., Battle Creek. Widowed, last wife Minnie. DOB 26 Nov. 1851 in MI. Occupation: teamster, employee Battle Creek lumber - parents unknown, Informant Walter Carpenter. Funeral Notice: Battle Creek Inquirer - Evening News, Wed. May 6, 11925, page 10,Funeral services for Cass Carpenter will be held Thursday morning at 10 o'clock from Spaulding Undertaking Parlors. Burial will be made in Oak Hill. (Microfilm to discolored to copy) Saginaw County Cemeteries (MICH F572.S17 S33z): Chesaning Wildwood Cemetery, Czarena Carpenter died May 30, 1887, age 35 years, first wife of C. Carpenter. Cass married (1-MRIN:5266) Czarena A. BUCKLAND-14773 on 30 Jun 1877 in Chesaning, Chesaning, MI. Czarena was born 1852 in NY. She died 30 May 1887 in St. Charles Twp, Saginaw, MI. They had the following children: 9 M i. John CARPENTER-14774 was born Sep 1880 in St. Charles Twp, Saginaw, MI. He died 9 Oct 1940 in Pacific B1, Canada. !*John Carpenter, b. 8-1880 in St. Charles Twp., Saginaw Co., MI; d. 10-9-1940 in Pacific B1 (or Smithers), British Columbia, Canada; m. unknown (I have pictures of her visiting my grandfather after John's death, but no one can remember her name!). They had a son who may have been in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, or some other Canadian law enforcement. *I am very interested in finding descendants of John! E-MAIL: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 from Mary Carpenter <mccarpenter@yahoo.com + 10 M ii. Frank Issac CARPENTER-28237 was born 20 Feb 1882 and died 29 Mar 1945. + 11 F iii. Veva Dulcenia CARPENTER-14732 was born 13 Feb 1884 and died 5 Oct 1971. + 12 F iv. Eva J. CARPENTER-14767 was born 13 Feb 1884 and died 18 Jan 1968. Cass also married (2-MRIN:5267) Minnie C. FROST-14775 on 31 Mar 1898 in Merrill, Mich. Minnie was born Jan 1870 in of, MI. They had the following children: 13 M v. Walter Cass CARPENTER-14781 was born 1901 in MI. He died 3 Oct 1926 in MI and was buried in Riverside Cem., Bellevue, MI. Fourth Generation 10. Frank Issac CARPENTER-28237 was born 20 Feb 1882 in Chesaning, Saginaw, MI. He died 29 Mar 1945 in Sparta, Kent, WI. Frank married (1-MRIN:10214) Catherine POMMERICH-28238 on 3 Feb 1909 in Fond du Lac, WI. Catherine was born 28 Sep 1886 in WI. She died 25 Aug 1965. They had the following children: 14 F i. Evelyn CARPENTER-28253 was born 4 Nov 1906 in Clark, WI. She died 1 Feb 1989. Evelyn married (1-MRIN:10219) Young WILLIAM-28255 on 18 Oct 1927. Young was born 23 Dec 1901 in MI. He died 2 Aug 1980. 15 F ii. Ione CARPENTER-28229 was born 2 Jul 1911 in Clark, WI. She died 2 Oct 1994 in Marshfield, Wood, WI. Ione married (1-MRIN:10213) Vandehey LEONARD-28232 on 16 Oct 1928. Vandehey was born 11 Apr 1909 in WI. He died 16 Nov 1987 in Wood, MI. 16 F iii. Cathryn CARPENTER-28254 was born 18 May 1913 in Clark, WI. She died 26 Nov 1995 in Abbotsford, Clark, WI. Cathryn married (1-MRIN:10217) Arlyn BRUNKHORST-28233 on 7 Sep 1935. Arlyn was born 6 Dec 1907. + 17 M iv. Frank Herman CARPENTER-28252 was born 13 May 1915 and died 10 Jul 1990. 18 F v. Marie CARPENTER-28231 was born 9 Oct 1920 in Clark, WI. Marie married (1-MRIN:10216) Myron KRAMER-28236 on 22 Nov 1945. Myron was born 10 Feb 1921 in WI. He died 23 Jun 1994 in Fond du Lac, Fond du Lac, WI. + 19 M vi. Clarence Frank CARPENTER-28230 was born 20 Sep 1922 and died 20 May 1995. 11. Veva Dulcenia CARPENTER-14732 was born 13 Feb 1884 in Chesaning, Saginaw, MI. She died 5 Oct 1971 in Battle Creek, Calhoun, MI and was buried 7 Oct 1971 in Riverside Cem., Bellevue, Eaton, MI. BIRTH: MI State Index to Births, 1884: Baby girl Carpenter, born Saginaw county. LDS Family History Center: Birth Record for Carpenter Twins, dated Feb. 13, 1884. Interestingly Eva was named but Veva was not. !CENSUS: 1900 US Census Arcada Twp., Gratiot county, MI, Village of Alma, ED 45, Pg 19 - Veva born Feb 1884, with father. In 1910 she was supposedly living with her father and had a son age 4. Not found. MARRIAGE: Certificate of Marriage: Record Number 353 - marriage date 3 July 1915 to Ray Demott age 27, his parents listed, in Battle Creek - she claimed to be 27 years old and this was her first marriage. !DEATH: Death Certificate State File Number 59668, Local File Number 1072, Veva D. DeMott, DOD Oct. 5, 1971 at 1:20 AM, age 87. DOB Feb. 13, 1884. Place of death, Calhoun county, Battle Creek, 425 West Jackson St.. Born in MI. Informant Eva Dingledine. Cause of death, Arterlosclerotic occlusion, cerebral or coronary and Arteriosclerosis generalized. Also Pharyneoesophareal Pulsion Diverriticulum. Burial at Riverside Cemetery, Bellvue, Eaton county, MI on Oct. 7, 1971. Funeral Home: Hebble's. OBIT: Battle Creek Inquirer and News, Tuesday, Oct. 5, 1971 page A-5 "Services for Mrs. Veva D. DeMott age 87 . . . Native of Chesaning . . . survived by ... daughters Eva Dingledine and Mrs. Charles Rhodes. See also Page B-7 for Funeral notice held at Maple United Methodist Church . . . Bellevue Riverside Cemetery records (MICH F574.B4 L3 1980) Pg 44: Veva D. (87) born 1884, died Battle Creek, MI. The ancestry of this family submitted by this person: John W. DeMo