John: According to An Encyclopaedia of London the St. Martin Outwich burned down and was rebuilt in 1727, then "In 1874 the church was demolished" (p. 95).Could you recheck this information. Sincerely, Bruce -----Original Message----- From: John Carpenter <jrcrin001@home.com> To: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com <CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, July 15, 1999 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Chaundelers and Chandlers #3 >Dear Bruce, > >My father was in England several years ago and visited The CHURCH OF ST. >MARTIN, Ooutwich, Bishop Gate St., in London, England. On the floor was >1395 with Richard Carpenter's name. > >Per the booklet "THE CITY OF LONDON SCHOOL" - John Carpenter the >younger's will was made in his 70th year. This indicates his birth about >1371/1372. He had two older brothers (no sisters mentioned) which means >his parents could not have been born any earlier than 1350 (1372 -2 -2 = >1368 -18 = 1350). I have 1335 as a guesstimate using a wider range and >possible other children. John the elder born about 1360/1362 for >example. > >This leaves the "other" Richard, son of Robert, of Richard and Christina >Carpenter once again as a possibility. > >Let's keep brainstorming this! Maybe someone will come up with more >records or insight. > >By the way, How long did you spend in Japan teaching? I have a friend >who is thinking about teaching there. Can I give him your E-address? > >John R. Carpenter >La Mesa, CA >