Dear Bruce, As a two-time descendant of the Carpenters, I have been following your messages with great interest. This latest is interesting in that you apparently have found mention of a different "Richard Carpenter". Can you provide me with the exact sources you have researched for this and other of your notices? Also, I would like to be able to quote you on my own Carpenter chart (I do not, and probably never shall have a Web Page). Do I have your permission to do so? I plan to bind copies of my books in the near future, and I do cite my sources! I am a family historian, and the Carpenter line is one of hundreds I have researched. Claudia Cridland .