For Gloria C: I do not find any "John Zimmerman" or any Kerker in the index. For PAt: I do not find any John C. Carpenter in the index. Remember, however, that inthe very early years (after immigration) the Carpenter and Zimmerman names were intermittantly switched-around. I cannot say where you can find the Seymour Carpentr book. I know some are around, becuae I have my copy (my brother found it in a yard sale) and I since saw another copy at a local used book sale (should have bought the extra, I guess). I have bought various old genealogical books at Tuttle Antiquarian Bookstore in Rutland VT. They have a web page. There are many others. Try bibliofind.com on the internet (and otehr similar services). If you don't have an antiquarian bookstore you rely on, get one. Get on their mailing and catalog list. The specific reference you're seeking here is: Generalogical Notes on the Carpenter Fam,ily Including the Autobiography and Personal Reminiscences of Dr. Deymour D. Carpenter Edited by Edwin Sawyer Walker A.M. Springfield IL Illinois State Journal Co,Printers MCMVII Copyright 1907, George N. Kreider, M.D. The back of the title page says that 500 copies were printed. My copy is unnumbered, however, so maybe there was an overrun. Good luck. RLC