Hi George, we've talked before, I mean e-mailed. I'm the one who has Caleb as the father, etc -- look back in your old e-mails (not too long ago). Since I wrote you last things have changed again. Everytime I talk to this new distant cousin who has the Bible she changes things on me. She has had me change my John around about four times now. So who knows. When I found out a bit more I'll let you know. May be a while. Another distant cousin lives in NY and is going to do some research there. Hang in - Penny from Nebraska