Dear Bruce, I have 3 Robert Carpenters in that time period. INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:28078 - ------------------------------------------ Name:Robert CARPENTER Sex:M ID No: Birth:Abt 1150 Place:of,Hampshire,England Son of Robert Carpenter-200031 - Bishop Melun. INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:16310 - ------------------------------------------- Name:Robert CARPENTER Sex:M ID No: Birth:Abt 1167 Place:of,Suffolk,England Chr: Place: Marr: Spouse:Unknown Father:Ralph OR Raulf CARPENTER-16308 Mother: Notes ------------------------------------------ !Robert or Robert Le Carpenter found in Suffolk Curia Regis Rolls in 1212. He is believed to be the descendant of William the Carpenter, b. abt 1042. Found in the IGI as born abt 1167 in Huntingdon,C,England The paper on the early Curia Regis Rolls of 1212 lists him as above. INDIVIDUAL DATA RIN:28082 - ----------------------------------------------- Name:Robert CARPENTER Sex:M ID No: Birth:Abt 1181 Place:Winchester,Hampshire,England Father:Robert CARPENTER-28078 Mother: !SEE: Calendar of Antrobus Deeds before 1625, edited by R. B. Pugh in 1947. Published by by the Wiltshire Archaeology & Natural History Society Records Branch. Submitted by Peter Goodhugh, 1992 of the Amesbury Society in Amesbury, Wiltshire, England. Page I, undated circa 1250 in black pencil. "Gift with warranty by Christine daughter of John de Ambresber' in her widowhood to Robert Kade for his homage and service of a messuage and curtilage lying between the messuage of Robert the carpenter and . . ." Robert the carpenter acts as a witness also. See also Robert Carpenter born about 1167. Page 5, dated 9 July 1321 mentions "Carpenter Street (in vico carpentarii) in Great Ambri'." (ie Amesbury, Wiltshire, England) Page 6, dated 18 Mar 1323 mentions "Gift with warranty by Stephen le carpenter of Winterbourn' to Henry Curteis of Ambresbur' of a tenement with a curtilage which he had in the town of Ambresbur' . . ." (ie town of Amesbury). Robert Carpenter appears to be some type of Relative to Christine listed above circa 1250 AD. Daughter in law? or ? Christina and Christine is close, I wonder and the relationship? You list several Carpenters, can you supply the source for each? I will check and see where "Sallop" is in England. Let us know the sources. Fascinating stuff! Your Rehoboth Cousin, John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: > > I have meant to go through your early > data and compare your findings with mine. I > am beginning to see you have many > of the individuals I have encountered. For example you > have a Robert b. 1167 in Suffolk and a Curia Regis Rolls > notation for 1212. I haven't seen that,however I > found a Curia Regis Rolls notation for Robert Carpenter > married to Christina for 1253. The Suffolk Carpenters > seemed to me a distinct group i.e. that had capital > for land. There was a Thurston and a John of Butley Carpenter for 1230-32. > All of the above might be descendants of Ralph Carpenter who is listed for > land aquisition in both Norfolk and Suffolk for 1225-26. > In 1272 in Sallop, a Robert is noted as son of Radulphus. There was also a > John son of Ralph > noted for Norfolk. > I question the 1212 date for Robert. Is there even Curia Regis Roll > data that early? Where was Sallop? > BC