Dear Bruce, Late Medieval Genealogy is not an exact science. Much of the data has to be translated correctly and interpreted in that time's mores and foibles. Add to the variations of the "Victor" writing the history and it gets "fuzzy." The connection between William "the carpenter" DeMelun through Richard and Christina in London is not a proven fact. It is speculation or the best guess with the material on hand. Yes there are records saying X was the son of father of Y and related to Z. However the connection bringing Maurice from France into England HAS NOT BEEN PROVED. We have two Maurices with similar families on both sides of the English Channel. We surmise or guess they are the same person. A few generations beyond Maurice is another stumbling block. A few more beyond that is another. These speculations have always been in the notes and explanations I give to people. I fully expect to have people (like you and others) to present new data that will change how the puzzle looks. Every little bit helps. I truely would love to have dozens of Carpenter Researchers gathers bits and pieces on the early lines of the Carpenters. No doubt the puzzle contains stories and lines we have not even thought about yet! You are presenting helpful data to all Carpenters a piece at a time. If you write an article or book on your research, you compile that data into one source. That is the basic "why" of the Carpenter CD Project ... To gather together the various parts of the Carpenter Family with research data FOR FUTURE CARPENTER RESEARCHERS. This means the good, the bad and ugly parts of the family. In doing so, you help everyone! Amos Bugbee Carpenter did an amazing job with his Carpenter Memorial published in 1898. Does it contain mistakes and ommissions? YES! Carpenter Researchers are finding errors in some manner all the time. Will the Carpenter CD Project have mistakes? Damm right it will. Regardless of how much effort I and others put into it, there will still be mistakes. I encourage you to compile the data you are finding. State the facts you find and list your best guess how they fit. Remember to state your rational for future readers and researchers. They might use your facts but not the same interpretation because they have new data. If you follow this very basic formula - it can not but help others! I wish you the best of Luck in researching. I wish I had more time and money to do so. My main focus is the compiling of the Carpenter CD for the deadline at the end of the year 2000. I only have so much time and energy to go around. Until next time Cousin! John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA USA Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: > > John: > I have no real plans to write > a book, but as we are beginning to see > a really good one could be. That person > would need good French, good Latin, a good historical > education, money, time and good writing skills. > I hope it is becoming clear that this > story is more complicated, and more interesting, > than many people had realized. This is my only > object. I worry about you and your CD, John. It > pains me to think your Carpenter history pre 1450 > will be flawed. I have tried everything > short of hitting you over the head about it. Why don't > you let me help you? > BC > -----Original Message----- > From: John Carpenter <jrcrin001@home.com> > To: Bruce E. Carpenter <carp@whidbey.com> > Cc: CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com <CARPENTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 9:44 AM > Subject: Re: Important Discovery > > >Dear Bruce, > > > >When do you plan to have your book out? > > > >Curious, > > > >John R. Carpenter > >La Mesa, CA > > > >Bruce E. Carpenter wrote: > >> > >> Just found was a longish document listing > >> John Carpenter and Robert Carpenter, brothers of Town Clerk John, as > >> tennants > >> of Thomas, Duke of Gloucester in the reign of King Richard II. > >> To those of you Carpenters not yet bored by the subject, > >> this is an unbelievable find with all kinds of economic > >> details and political implications. Before I post it > >> please read again what I found and said about > >> Carpenters in the reign of Richard II re. the arrests of > >> carpenters and their allignment to Lancastrian interests, Warwickshire > >> Beauchamps and Duke of Gloucester Thomas. > >> BC